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    What do you think the odds are, of finding a Tgirl who likes to top...I mean actually ENJOYS it, not just for the money? Maybe not for the money at all. See, I would like an actual relationship. To get to know someone, take them out, treat them the way you would treat any girlfriend in any relationship. I don't want it to be about sex, although I do like the idea of having someone who likes to top. A lot of people tell me this is impossible, that it's not something you can find unless it involves money. I have however, had some people tell me that you can find girls like this who do just want a relationship. I've heard the terms "Pre-Op" "Post-Op" and although it's rare, I have also heard the term "Non-Op." Girls who decide they are comfortable being in between, sometimes permanently, sometimes for a short period of time but they all say they are comfortable. How common do you think this is? I personally, don't think I have the stomach to go off and sleep around with random people, without any sort of connection. Unless the possibility of escorts who like to hang out and be friends is available...then I guess I can at least establish SOME sort of connection.

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    Someone who wants to stay "non op" for life is a small portion of trans ladies. They are out there, there are several in the escorting world that do truly enjoy it and may stay non-op for a long time; as for civilians, there is no way of knowing but they are surely out there.

    Looking for TS for relationships is a challenge all it's own. There are a small number of trans women in relation to the number of guys that want them. And, if you require the woman to be really passable, that number decreases even more. Out of the number of beautiful passable trans women out there, a significant portion of them escort (escorting first and foremost is about the best way for them to pay the tens of thousands of dollars it takes to look as good as they do). So, "civilian dating" for what you are looking for will take time and patience.

    It also is a challenge because of what kind of guys are coming after them. It puts up their walls and it is harder to earn trust. Most men that say they want to meet a trans woman are doing it for purely sexual reasons, it's a fantasy, they want cock, or they are happy to have the relationship as long as she never meets his friends or family or co worker. Kind of puts them in a bad spot in the sense that most guys that approach them fit into one of those areas. It also can be heart breaking for these women who do have SRS because I have heard stories where the lady goes ahead with that and the man she loves leaves or is not sexually interested in her anymore. Simply put, most of the men who approach them are there because they have a cock. So, in your situation, it is great that you are identifying this up front and not going down a relationship path with someone who will disappoint you when they get SRS.

    Complicated situation, isn't it? However, there is hope for great success. You just have to be patient, and most of all be true to yourself. Your posting is very open and direct about what you want, and stick with it. It may take a long time to find it, however, at some point you will and then it is up to you where it goes.

    You can go on internet dating sites and meet a new "genetic" woman every night of the week if you reply to enough ads. It suits the quick fix, however, can leave a very frustrating path after you have met a large number of people without a deep connection. Looking for what you describe may mean you meet one person every few months. That can be a great way to go, however, not every guy has that kind of patience when the sexual urges are kicking in.

    Seeing escorts is rewarding if you chose the right people, however it is business. Do not approach any escort with the thought that you want a relationship, you will get frustrated very quickly. What you can understand though, is they are human just like you are. And sometimes two people cross paths in an unconventional way and a relationship does happen. In this area though, never approach it that way or pursue it that way. See escorts for a great time and if something else happens that will take care of itself on it's own. I ended up having dating relationships twice with a TS escort in my past, and back in the 90s when I was spending time with "genetic girl" escorts I ended up dating 3 at various times. I was never looking for that, these things just happened organically. Most escorts are opposed to it and will turn the other way quickly if they think a client is looking for that.

    Just some random thoughts for you.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Hockeydude89 View Post
      What do you think the odds are, of finding a Tgirl who likes to top...I mean actually ENJOYS it, not just for the money? Maybe not for the money at all. See, I would like an actual relationship. To get to know someone, take them out, treat them the way you would treat any girlfriend in any relationship. I don't want it to be about sex, although I do like the idea of having someone who likes to top. A lot of people tell me this is impossible, that it's not something you can find unless it involves money. I have however, had some people tell me that you can find girls like this who do just want a relationship. I've heard the terms "Pre-Op" "Post-Op" and although it's rare, I have also heard the term "Non-Op." Girls who decide they are comfortable being in between, sometimes permanently, sometimes for a short period of time but they all say they are comfortable. How common do you think this is? I personally, don't think I have the stomach to go off and sleep around with random people, without any sort of connection. Unless the possibility of escorts who like to hang out and be friends is available...then I guess I can at least establish SOME sort of connection.
      Well just telling someone what you want sexually out of them probably wouldn't be a good start. You need to treat and respect a trans woman like you would any woman. No offense either but throwing in that you would be down with chilling with an escort free of charge doesn't say much about this so called relationship you're looking for.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hockeydude89 View Post
        What do you think the odds are, of finding a Tgirl who likes to top...I mean actually ENJOYS it, not just for the money? Maybe not for the money at all. See, I would like an actual relationship. To get to know someone, take them out, treat them the way you would treat any girlfriend in any relationship. I don't want it to be about sex, although I do like the idea of having someone who likes to top. A lot of people tell me this is impossible, that it's not something you can find unless it involves money. I have however, had some people tell me that you can find girls like this who do just want a relationship. I've heard the terms "Pre-Op" "Post-Op" and although it's rare, I have also heard the term "Non-Op." Girls who decide they are comfortable being in between, sometimes permanently, sometimes for a short period of time but they all say they are comfortable. How common do you think this is? I personally, don't think I have the stomach to go off and sleep around with random people, without any sort of connection. Unless the possibility of escorts who like to hang out and be friends is available...then I guess I can at least establish SOME sort of connection.
        The odds?? let's say 6/49 or lotomax probably have better odds..


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        • #5
          depends. there are probably more out there who are non-op, since it's getting more common now. gender is abut the mind/behaviour, not genitals.

          I'm cisgendered, so i probably cannot say for sure, but i think a lot more now are saying that if they have transitioned enough, they don't give a fuck if they have or use a cock or not. to be honest, i'd prefer to date a non-op than a pre or post-op. must admit, for me at least, it's the mix of female looks/body and cock that does it for me. Dating a pre-op who wanted surgery wouldn't be fair for both of us on that grounds. and there are many pretty post-ops i guess, but i like the mix. like https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgJ...W4Qw4fA/videos is post-op and i'd hit it.
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          • #6
            The odds are 100% if you look in the right place and have the right expectations.

            To say you would want to be friends with and escort with the mindset of having sex and a relationship with them in future, is exactly what escorts don't want. They want friends that want to do friend things with them. I am friends with many TS but that means we don't have sex but do other things like hangout, go out to clubs or go skiing or travelling together.

            As said earlier on this thread you have to be honest about what you are looking for. If there was an escort or escorts that you were particularly attracted to then you should pay to go see them and see if there is a spark or compatibility. A number of TS meet their steady boyfriends through working, but is an escort what you really want? This will turn into a relationship where you will support them, unless you like them to continue working.

            If you are young and super hot you can probably do whatever you want to whomever you want but you would have to get out there and meet tgirls in the wild at clubs and other places.

            But you say you want someone who enjoys being a top. When you say top do you mean TOP or are you versatile, you should decide exactly what you need or want. Maybe you need to explore further.

            Being a Top means you must always perform. Generally this means not taking hormones and certainly not having their penis removed, unless they used a strap on after they were post-op.
            So you have basically ruled out transsexuals for your relationship since by definition they are the ones that want to be bottoms and have the operation.
            This leaves you those that choose to keep their junk (non-op). While they may call themselves TS they really are not.
            So they could live full time as a woman or be a crossdresser.
            This is basically your target group and if you are looking for no-op tgirls living full time, that is a pretty small group at least in North America.

            Outside North America things can be different. In Thailand there is the most ladyboys in the world so the number of non-op tops is alot more than here. In fact if you were to go live in Thailand, I guarantee that you could get a steady ladyboy that would fuck you all you want. Still you would have to shell out to take care of her.
            Part of the reason for this difference in other countries is that it is far better to be a ladyboy than to be gay, so in some case you may be finding someone who might be gay in our society but is a ladyboy in another society.

            I have also found the in the black tgirl community in the US they tend to like to keep their tools and less of them appear to have surgery. Seeing you live in the US this could be a good avenue to follow. This is just my observations.

            A good majority of tgirl lovers have a similar fantasy to this.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Crag Rockheart View Post
              The odds are 100% if you look in the right place and have the right expectations.

              To say you would want to be friends with and escort with the mindset of having sex and a relationship with them in future, is exactly what escorts don't want. They want friends that want to do friend things with them. I am friends with many TS but that means we don't have sex but do other things like hangout, go out to clubs or go skiing or travelling together.

              As said earlier on this thread you have to be honest about what you are looking for. If there was an escort or escorts that you were particularly attracted to then you should pay to go see them and see if there is a spark or compatibility. A number of TS meet their steady boyfriends through working, but is an escort what you really want? This will turn into a relationship where you will support them, unless you like them to continue working.

              If you are young and super hot you can probably do whatever you want to whomever you want but you would have to get out there and meet tgirls in the wild at clubs and other places.

              But you say you want someone who enjoys being a top. When you say top do you mean TOP or are you versatile, you should decide exactly what you need or want. Maybe you need to explore further.

              Being a Top means you must always perform. Generally this means not taking hormones and certainly not having their penis removed, unless they used a strap on after they were post-op.
              So you have basically ruled out transsexuals for your relationship since by definition they are the ones that want to be bottoms and have the operation.
              This leaves you those that choose to keep their junk (non-op). While they may call themselves TS they really are not.
              So they could live full time as a woman or be a crossdresser.
              This is basically your target group and if you are looking for no-op tgirls living full time, that is a pretty small group at least in North America.

              Outside North America things can be different. In Thailand there is the most ladyboys in the world so the number of non-op tops is alot more than here. In fact if you were to go live in Thailand, I guarantee that you could get a steady ladyboy that would fuck you all you want. Still you would have to shell out to take care of her.
              Part of the reason for this difference in other countries is that it is far better to be a ladyboy than to be gay, so in some case you may be finding someone who might be gay in our society but is a ladyboy in another society.

              I have also found the in the black tgirl community in the US they tend to like to keep their tools and less of them appear to have surgery. Seeing you live in the US this could be a good avenue to follow. This is just my observations.

              A good majority of tgirl lovers have a similar fantasy to this.


              Makes plenty of sense. As for the whole topping, versatile thing...I prefer the idea of being a bottom, but I don't think I could completely commit myself to that. So, I imagine the best term is versatile.

              I'd love to take a trip to Thailand, but I'm not sure that's something I'll be able to do any time soon. Hopefully some day. Hell, I'd love to get out to Canada, even just for a visit at some point.

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