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**Shyla Wild** · 03-28-2014, 08:47 AM

Absolutely Not.

Undercover police have the hardest job in the police division. They need every bit of the acting skills to pass as who they are trying to be. Setting a legal precedent on such a subject will open doors for others to exploit the Law. Why stop at prositution? Why not organized crime? What about narcotics? Police have internal affairs to deal with police abuse. More undercover police die every year than any other area of police work...and they want to make their job harder.

If the hooker gets to walk if a police officer sleeps with her (doing his job as an undercover) then why wouldn't the drug dealer walk if the cop took a puff off a joint.

This is why:

Are Police Allowed to Break The Law?

Police officers working undercover have exceptions from certain criminal laws. For instance, law enforcement officers directly engaged in the enforcement of controlled substance laws are exempt from laws surrounding the purchase, possession, sales or use of illegal substances.

This means that there's no way to identify an undercover officer based on their willingness or refusal to use an illegal drug. Reverse stings are common in the enforcement of controlled substance laws. In a reverse sting operation, a police officer sells drugs that have previously been confiscated and then arrest the buyer.

Are Police Allowed to Lie?

The question of whether or not the police may lie during the course of their work goes hand in hand with the question of entrapment.

It is well accepted that deception is often "necessary" to catch those who break the law. There is no question that police officers are allowed to directly mislead and/or deceive others about their identity, their law enforcement status, their history, and just about anything else, without breaking the law or compromising their case. Conversely, it is illegal for an ordinary citizen to lie to the police in many jurisdictions.

Entrapment

These types of myths are generally based on the belief that it is illegal for a police officer to entrap a citizen into committing a crime. Following this theory, many people believe that related actions by police, such as lying about their identity, would also be illegal or invalidate a prosecution. While a claim of "entrapment" by police can be used as a defense in a criminal case, it is both uncommon and rarely successful. Additionally, police entrapment itself is not illegal -- just potential cause for a not-guilty verdict.

Loosely defined, entrapment is a situation in which, if not for the actions of the police officer or police informant, the defendant would not have committed the crime. This defense is generally only successful in situations where law enforcement officers create a criminal plan, plant the idea of that plan into an otherwise innocent person's mind, and then instigate the plan for the purpose of prosecuting the suspect.

The mere presentation of an opportunity or request by an officer that an individual commit a crime does not qualify as entrapment. An officer may engage a citizen in conversation and ask to buy an illegal substance -- even if they have no reason to suspect the person of illegal activity.They may offer to sell an illegal substance and arrest the buyer after the sale.

They can go out of their way to help a person to commit a crime. What they can't do, is unduly persuade, threaten, coerce, or harass the person, such that a normally law-abiding citizen would participate in the unlawful action. Unfortunately, even in cases where the government does induce a crime, evidence that the defendant was "predisposed" to committing the crime is likely to undermine an entrapment defense. If the prosecution can show that the defendant agreed to participate too quickly or had a record of similar crimes in the past, the entrapment defense rarely succeeds. One example of such a case was U.S. v. Bogart (1986) in which Bogart agreed to sell presidential campaign posters to a police informant. When the informant arrived to purchase the posters, he informed Bogart that his only method of payment was with cocaine. Though Bogart initially refused, he eventually agreed because he needed the proceeds from the sale. He was arrested and his entrapment defense was denied based on his "predisposition" to commit the crime.

Lastly, we are Canadian. What business do we have signing anything concerning the USA? Governments are there to cater to its people. Not to a petition signed by foreigners.

**Guest** · 03-28-2014, 09:26 AM

Comments from the Petition site members.

Originally posted by Babe View Post

Hi all,

My first impression of what is happening in Hawaii is that the police do not have to actually engage in the sexual act (sexual intercourse) with a prostitute in order for him to entrap her/him.
It's a dumb as a cop shooting heroin into his own arm to prove that the dealer sold him the heroin.

I began reading the comments written the some of the people from all over the world who have signed this petition.
These comments (below) from the Petition site petition-signers reinforce my first impression.

I found several comments worth posting into this thread seeing as opinions from members of Tgirlforums are not forthcoming.

Babe,
xoxo

Ms. JENNIFER DREW, United Kingdom
Mar 28, 03:18
# 224
Men and this includes male police officers do not have the sacrosanct right of purchasing prostituted women in order to rape them. This paid rape but apparently Hawaii's male controlled police force believe their male police officers need to rape prostituted women in order to provide evidence she is a prostituted woman! Win win for the male police officers because this misogynistic law legitimises male pseudo sex right to females of all ages any time anywhere. Male police officers purchasing prostituted women are male sexual predators and they are committing the same crimes against these women as those civilian men who believe it is their innate right to buy women and girls so that they can rape them with impunity.

Mrs. Lynda Seaton, New Zealand
Mar 27, 21:54
# 214
Really, Police officers have to have sex with Prostitutes so they can arrest them. Well yes, as long as the police who do are prosecuted and sentenced as well with their photographs in the paper.

Ms. dolores dempsey, CA
Mar 27, 19:08
# 199
I find it hard to believe that an officer would want to risk an std having sex with a prostitute. Also it seems very fishy to allow officers to have sex with a prostitute to make charges 'stick'. As has been said, the prostitutes are already being victimized. There are programs arresting 'johns' for solicitating for sex. This whole thing sounds screwy to me??.I think women should be able to sell sex. After all, housewives do it all the time.

Ms. Therese Desrosiers, QC
Mar 27, 18:07
# 191
Assaultjng to prove crime! Now that's criminal! Arrest the officer because he has participated in criminal activity! Shame, shame, shame! Most prostitutes are pressured and threatened into selling themselves, and the POLICE are supposed to protect them, not assault them.

Ms. Wendy Mueller, TX
Mar 27, 17:52
# 189
Looks like the cops in Hawaii are just looking for a way to have free sex with prostitutes. Does this include the underaged girls who are forced into prostitution? You are disgusting.

Mr. Christopher Deane, BC
Mar 27, 15:11
# 180
If these Cops are incapable of up holding the law without breaking the law they shouldn't be Cops. Oh, that law doesn't apply to us. Pathetic.

Mr. Robert Ogden, TN
Mar 27, 13:14
# 171
I'm an ex-cop from Phoenix. These officers should be arrested and fired. End of story. Do the right thing. Thank you.

Mr. Jay Griffen, CA
Mar 27, 10:49
# 149
I was raised in Hawai'i and was always proud to have been born there. Reading about this all I can say is SHAME on the police for attempting to continue their sexual abuse of these women, your behavior is outrageous and your attitude is immoral.

Ms. Amy Smith, TX
Mar 27, 09:44
# 136
This is absolutely disgusting, deplorable and immoral. I have enjoyed travelling to Hawaii to vacation in the past, but was unaware of this. I will never return as a tourist and will discourage others if this is allowed to stand as a law. Is Hawaii doing this because it is interested in becoming the United States of Americas Thailand? Is child prostitution okay too? Because assuredly there are under aged people involved. Sick, cynical and abusive.

Ms. Ellen Gendron, MA
Mar 27, 09:13
# 122
The cops who want this to be kept in the law are just pigs that want an excuse to cheat on their wives or can't get sex any other way. This law is DISGUSTING and if a cop can't make an arrest without screwing the ho then he should be removed from the force and hire someone who can do the job. This story made me SICK.

Mr. Garth Mills, South Africa
Mar 27, 08:22
# 100
Any policeman with integrity and morality would not stoop so low to do this.

Mrs. Dale LaCognata, IN
Mar 27, 07:48
# 91
Don't be ridiculous!!!! This is INSANE! I'll bet a man made this law!

Mrs. Georgina McAllister, Italy
Mar 27, 07:11
# 79
This just makes me sick and these so called policemen too

Mr. William Nusbaum, MN
Mar 27, 07:02
#73
Why create a class of people who are ABOVE THE LAW! Do you not see how WRONG this idea is

Ms. crystal mintz, OH
Mar 27, 06:59
# 72
this is despicable! end this insanity. we already know sex trafficking is a huge problem all over and you want to possibly further victimize someone already forced into that situation?

Ms. MB Honaker, AZ
Mar 27, 05:53
# 54
Police officers having sex with Prostitutes? just another part of a hard day's work ? ! Give me a freaking break !! Even the concept of this.. is absurd, let alone actually allowing it to occur ! Come on Hawaii? get some morals and ethics, because cops having sex with prostitutes is about as low down and slimy as you can get ( ! ))) Oh, by the way? sexual and physical abuse of women is Against The Law in every state ! You can certainly find other ways to enforce the law, without breaking it ( ! )))

**Bawb** · 03-28-2014, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Shyla Wild View Post

Absolutely Not.

Undercover police have the hardest job in the police division. They need every bit of the acting skills to pass as who they are trying to be. Setting a legal precedent on such a subject will open doors for others to exploit the Law. Why stop at prositution? Why not organized crime? What about narcotics? Police have internal affairs to deal with police abuse. More undercover police die every year than any other area of police work...and they want to make their job harder.

If the hooker gets to walk if a police officer sleeps with her (doing his job as an undercover) then why wouldn't the drug dealer walk if the cop took a puff off a joint.

This is why:

Are Police Allowed to Break The Law?

Police officers working undercover have exceptions from certain criminal laws. For instance, law enforcement officers directly engaged in the enforcement of controlled substance laws are exempt from laws surrounding the purchase, possession, sales or use of illegal substances.

This means that there's no way to identify an undercover officer based on their willingness or refusal to use an illegal drug. Reverse stings are common in the enforcement of controlled substance laws. In a reverse sting operation, a police officer sells drugs that have previously been confiscated and then arrest the buyer.

Are Police Allowed to Lie?

The question of whether or not the police may lie during the course of their work goes hand in hand with the question of entrapment.

It is well accepted that deception is often "necessary" to catch those who break the law. There is no question that police officers are allowed to directly mislead and/or deceive others about their identity, their law enforcement status, their history, and just about anything else, without breaking the law or compromising their case. Conversely, it is illegal for an ordinary citizen to lie to the police in many jurisdictions.

Entrapment

These types of myths are generally based on the belief that it is illegal for a police officer to entrap a citizen into committing a crime. Following this theory, many people believe that related actions by police, such as lying about their identity, would also be illegal or invalidate a prosecution. While a claim of "entrapment" by police can be used as a defense in a criminal case, it is both uncommon and rarely successful. Additionally, police entrapment itself is not illegal -- just potential cause for a not-guilty verdict.

Loosely defined, entrapment is a situation in which, if not for the actions of the police officer or police informant, the defendant would not have committed the crime. This defense is generally only successful in situations where law enforcement officers create a criminal plan, plant the idea of that plan into an otherwise innocent person's mind, and then instigate the plan for the purpose of prosecuting the suspect.

The mere presentation of an opportunity or request by an officer that an individual commit a crime does not qualify as entrapment. An officer may engage a citizen in conversation and ask to buy an illegal substance -- even if they have no reason to suspect the person of illegal activity.They may offer to sell an illegal substance and arrest the buyer after the sale.

They can go out of their way to help a person to commit a crime. What they can't do, is unduly persuade, threaten, coerce, or harass the person, such that a normally law-abiding citizen would participate in the unlawful action. Unfortunately, even in cases where the government does induce a crime, evidence that the defendant was "predisposed" to committing the crime is likely to undermine an entrapment defense. If the prosecution can show that the defendant agreed to participate too quickly or had a record of similar crimes in the past, the entrapment defense rarely succeeds. One example of such a case was U.S. v. Bogart (1986) in which Bogart agreed to sell presidential campaign posters to a police informant. When the informant arrived to purchase the posters, he informed Bogart that his only method of payment was with cocaine. Though Bogart initially refused, he eventually agreed because he needed the proceeds from the sale. He was arrested and his entrapment defense was denied based on his "predisposition" to commit the crime.

Lastly, we are Canadian. What business do we have signing anything concerning the USA? Governments are there to cater to its people. Not to a petition signed by foreigners.

Could not have said it better myself. Right on as usual Shyla

**Guest** · 03-28-2014, 11:12 AM

Petition to stop Hawaiin police from having sex with prostitutes in order to a

Hawaii: Don't Let Undercover Cops Have Sex With Prostitutes!

author: Chris Wolverton
target: Hawaii House Judiciary Committee
signatures: 238

we've got 238 signatures, help us get to 1,000

Hawaii lets its on-duty undercover police officers have sex with prostitutes, and the police department wants to keep it that way.

The police claim that they need protection from participation in prostitution in order to prosecute criminals involved in the sex trade, but this goes too far. The entire point of banning prostitution is to save women from exploitation. Allowing police to have sex with prostitutes further traumatizes women trapped in the sex trade, and is an abuse of trust. Many prostitutes are victims enslaved by their pimps. The police would not be allowed to harm victims in a kidnapping or hostage situation, and they shouldn't be allowed to harm victims of prostitution.

Why would a prostitute trust the police to protect them when they act the same as the other men abusing them? Please sign the petition to urge Hawaii's legislators to ban sex between police officers and prostitutes.

Click to sign the petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/353/7...h-prostitutes/
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Do Cops Need to Have Sex to Investigate Prostitution? Hawaii Says Yes

by Robin Marty
March 26, 2014
11:30 am

If a police officer is investigating potential prostitution, does he or she really need to engage in sexual relations in order to make an arrest? Hawaii cops are saying that option needs to remain open, and are asking lawmakers to leave intact a rule that allows undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes while conducting an investigation.

According to ABC News, a new bill meant to create greater punishments for prostitution, especially around those who were arranging the transaction like pimps and johns, was originally written to remove a long standing exception that allows officers to engage in sex activities with prostitutes during the investigation. Police officers lobbied lawmakers to have it added back as an amendment, declaring that without the ability to engage in sex, they would lose a tool to protect their investigation.

Victims advocacy groups, sex trafficking groups and women’s right groups disagree, citing a likelihood of abuse by investigators coupled with the fact that many involved in prostitution may not be participating of their own free will. “Police abuse is part of the life of prostitution,” Melissa Farley, the executive director of the San Francisco-based group Prostitution Research and Education, told ABC News, also telling the news reporter that women involved in prostitution “commonly report being coerced into giving police sexual favors to keep from being arrested.”

Pacific Alliance to Stop Slavery, a Hawaii-based non-profit group, also opposes the exception. “We are near certain that no other state in the nation allows for this type of ‘interpersonal’ and highly problematic ‘investigative tool’ to facilitate prostitution arrests … states with high rates of sex trafficking and prostitution do not allow sexual penetration to be used by law enforcement during prostitution investigations yet have no problem completing successful investigations and arrests,” they said in a letter to the legislature.

Roger Young, a retired FBI agent, agreed, telling the Associated Press: ”I don’t know of any state or federal law that allows any law enforcement officer undercover to … do what this law is allowing … Once we agree on the price and the sex act, that’s all that you need [to make an arrest]. That breaks the law.”

Does allowing officers the ability to have sex with prostitutes and say it’s for the purpose of an investigation open up the potential for abuse? Police officers assaulting prostitutes are a sadly common experience. A Philadelphia officer was recently charged with raping two female prostitutes, one of whom he was also allegedly dating and soliciting her out on his own, as well. Other cases also exist of police officers abusing their authority to take advantage of prostitutes, such as this Massachusetts officer who had sex with prostitutes dozens of times, allegedly stating “he felt no one could ‘touch’ him because he is a police officer,” according to local news reports.

“[T]hey are asking legislators to preserve their ability to have sex with prostitutes because, hey, they do it responsibly,” writes Amanda Marcotte at Slate, and, frankly, that’s what it comes down to. The police arguing to allowing the exception to remain are literally saying, “No one has complained about us yet, and we can’t say how much we have or will do this, but we promise that just because we can have sex with them doesn’t mean we are going to do it.”

The bill has already passed the state House, and will be heading to the senate. If it passes there, it will be up to the governor to sign or veto. If that occurs, the police in Hawaii will continue to have the unprecedented ability to use their own authority to potentially have sex with people who in many cases are already sexually victimized, all because they may deem it necessary to prove that a prostitute is really intending to have sex for pay.

Tell Hawaii lawmakers that no other state allows the police to have sex with prostitutes and Hawaii doesn’t need to, either

**Rockheart** · 03-28-2014, 12:26 PM

There seems to be a feeling that all police are only men.

**TSFantasia** · 03-28-2014, 02:18 PM

Clear Abuse of Authority Shooting a Fly with a Bazooka

Prostitution is a "petty misdemeanor" in Hawaii to suggest the police officers would have to go to the length of actually having sex with a prostitute to convict (probably a fine, probation at the most) is ludicrous.
http://prostitution.procon.org/view....resourceID=732

Anyways the police and lawmakers have already caved on this so it is a non-issue except all those girls who should press charges against those officers and sue the police department for allowing criminal rape and extortion!

http://time.com/38444/hawaii-police-prostitutes-sex/

**Shyla Wild** · 03-28-2014, 04:04 PM

Hawaii has the lowest crime rate in the USA because they rely on tourists. This is the reason they are so hard on crime. Because their crime rate is very low compared to the rest of the US. Whatever they are doing is working for them. It is not for us to pass judgement on how they do things.

Lastly, a petition signed by 1000 people, most not from Hawaii will not even raise an eyebrow. There are many injustices in the world today, this is the least of our worries.

**toban** · 03-28-2014, 07:06 PM

A protest that will go nowhere!

Originally posted by Shyla Wild View Post

Hawaii has the lowest crime rate in the USA because they rely on tourists. This is the reason they are so hard on crime. Because their crime rate is very low compared to the rest of the US. Whatever they are doing is working for them. It is not for us to pass judgement on how they do things.

Lastly, a petition signed by 1000 people, most not from Hawaii will not even raise an eyebrow. There are many injustices in the world today, this is the least of our worries.

I must agree with Shyla, that promoting this foreign petition is a total waste of both time and effort and to make my point, I’m going to borrow and slightly modify a line from Shyla's post - “With the knowledge that there are many injustices in the world today, wouldn‘t it be more productive to direct this wasted energy to have it do something for the very issues and injustices facing your own T-girl communities in Canada?

Put your efforts into doing things that will raise awareness of your Canadian TS community’s issues by directing attention to your issues and hopefully, in the long term benefiting yourselves.

**Guest** · 03-28-2014, 10:47 PM

Petition to stop Hawaiin police from having sex with prostitutes in order to arrest them.

Hawaii: Don't Let Undercover Cops Have Sex With Prostitutes!

author: Chris Wolverton
target: Hawaii House Judiciary Committee
signatures: 247

we've got 247 signatures, help us get to 1,000

Hawaii lets its on-duty undercover police officers have sex with prostitutes, and the police department wants to keep it that way.

The police claim that they need protection from participation in prostitution in order to prosecute criminals involved in the sex trade, but this goes too far. The entire point of banning prostitution is to save women from exploitation. Allowing police to have sex with prostitutes further traumatizes women trapped in the sex trade, and is an abuse of trust. Many prostitutes are victims enslaved by their pimps. The police would not be allowed to harm victims in a kidnapping or hostage situation, and they shouldn't be allowed to harm victims of prostitution.

Why would a prostitute trust the police to protect them when they act the same as the other men abusing them? Please sign the petition to urge Hawaii's legislators to ban sex between police officers and prostitutes.

Click to sign the petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/353/7...h-prostitutes/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Do Cops Need to Have Sex to Investigate Prostitution? Hawaii Says Yes

by Robin Marty
March 26, 2014
11:30 am

If a police officer is investigating potential prostitution, does he or she really need to engage in sexual relations in order to make an arrest? Hawaii cops are saying that option needs to remain open, and are asking lawmakers to leave intact a rule that allows undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes while conducting an investigation.

According to ABC News, a new bill meant to create greater punishments for prostitution, especially around those who were arranging the transaction like pimps and johns, was originally written to remove a long standing exception that allows officers to engage in sex activities with prostitutes during the investigation. Police officers lobbied lawmakers to have it added back as an amendment, declaring that without the ability to engage in sex, they would lose a tool to protect their investigation.

Victims advocacy groups, sex trafficking groups and women?s right groups disagree, citing a likelihood of abuse by investigators coupled with the fact that many involved in prostitution may not be participating of their own free will. ?Police abuse is part of the life of prostitution,? Melissa Farley, the executive director of the San Francisco-based group Prostitution Research and Education, told ABC News, also telling the news reporter that women involved in prostitution ?commonly report being coerced into giving police sexual favors to keep from being arrested.?

Pacific Alliance to Stop Slavery, a Hawaii-based non-profit group, also opposes the exception. ?We are near certain that no other state in the nation allows for this type of ?interpersonal? and highly problematic ?investigative tool? to facilitate prostitution arrests ? states with high rates of sex trafficking and prostitution do not allow sexual penetration to be used by law enforcement during prostitution investigations yet have no problem completing successful investigations and arrests,? they said in a letter to the legislature.

Roger Young, a retired FBI agent, agreed, telling the Associated Press: ?I don?t know of any state or federal law that allows any law enforcement officer undercover to ? do what this law is allowing ? Once we agree on the price and the sex act, that?s all that you need [to make an arrest]. That breaks the law.?

Does allowing officers the ability to have sex with prostitutes and say it?s for the purpose of an investigation open up the potential for abuse? Police officers assaulting prostitutes are a sadly common experience. A Philadelphia officer was recently charged with raping two female prostitutes, one of whom he was also allegedly dating and soliciting her out on his own, as well. Other cases also exist of police officers abusing their authority to take advantage of prostitutes, such as this Massachusetts officer who had sex with prostitutes dozens of times, allegedly stating ?he felt no one could ?touch? him because he is a police officer,? according to local news reports.

?[T]hey are asking legislators to preserve their ability to have sex with prostitutes because, hey, they do it responsibly,? writes Amanda Marcotte at Slate, and, frankly, that?s what it comes down to. The police arguing to allowing the exception to remain are literally saying, ?No one has complained about us yet, and we can?t say how much we have or will do this, but we promise that just because we can have sex with them doesn?t mean we are going to do it.?

The bill has already passed the state House, and will be heading to the senate. If it passes there, it will be up to the governor to sign or veto. If that occurs, the police in Hawaii will continue to have the unprecedented ability to use their own authority to potentially have sex with people who in many cases are already sexually victimized, all because they may deem it necessary to prove that a prostitute is really intending to have sex for pay.

Tell Hawaii lawmakers that no other state allows the police to have sex with prostitutes and Hawaii doesn?t need to, either.

**TSFantasia** · 03-29-2014, 09:35 AM

This Is a Non-Issue Babe

Originally posted by TSFantasia View Post

Prostitution is a "petty misdemeanor" in Hawaii to suggest the police officers would have to go to the length of actually having sex with a prostitute to convict (probably a fine, probation at the most) is ludicrous.
http://prostitution.procon.org/view....resourceID=732

Anyways the police and lawmakers have already caved on this so it is a non-issue except all those girls who should press charges against those officers and sue the police department for allowing criminal rape and extortion!

http://time.com/38444/hawaii-police-prostitutes-sex/

Originally posted by Babe View Post

Hawaii: Don't Let Undercover Cops Have Sex With Prostitutes!

author: Chris Wolverton
target: Hawaii House Judiciary Committee
signatures: 247

we've got 247 signatures, help us get to 1,000

Hawaii lets its on-duty undercover police officers have sex with prostitutes, and the police department wants to keep it that way.

The police claim that they need protection from participation in prostitution in order to prosecute criminals involved in the sex trade, but this goes too far. The entire point of banning prostitution is to save women from exploitation. Allowing police to have sex with prostitutes further traumatizes women trapped in the sex trade, and is an abuse of trust. Many prostitutes are victims enslaved by their pimps. The police would not be allowed to harm victims in a kidnapping or hostage situation, and they shouldn't be allowed to harm victims of prostitution.

Why would a prostitute trust the police to protect them when they act the same as the other men abusing them? Please sign the petition to urge Hawaii's legislators to ban sex between police officers and prostitutes.

Click to sign the petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/353/7...h-prostitutes/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Do Cops Need to Have Sex to Investigate Prostitution? Hawaii Says Yes

by Robin Marty
March 26, 2014
11:30 am

If a police officer is investigating potential prostitution, does he or she really need to engage in sexual relations in order to make an arrest? Hawaii cops are saying that option needs to remain open, and are asking lawmakers to leave intact a rule that allows undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes while conducting an investigation.

According to ABC News, a new bill meant to create greater punishments for prostitution, especially around those who were arranging the transaction like pimps and johns, was originally written to remove a long standing exception that allows officers to engage in sex activities with prostitutes during the investigation. Police officers lobbied lawmakers to have it added back as an amendment, declaring that without the ability to engage in sex, they would lose a tool to protect their investigation.

Victims advocacy groups, sex trafficking groups and women?s right groups disagree, citing a likelihood of abuse by investigators coupled with the fact that many involved in prostitution may not be participating of their own free will. ?Police abuse is part of the life of prostitution,? Melissa Farley, the executive director of the San Francisco-based group Prostitution Research and Education, told ABC News, also telling the news reporter that women involved in prostitution ?commonly report being coerced into giving police sexual favors to keep from being arrested.?

Pacific Alliance to Stop Slavery, a Hawaii-based non-profit group, also opposes the exception. ?We are near certain that no other state in the nation allows for this type of ?interpersonal? and highly problematic ?investigative tool? to facilitate prostitution arrests ? states with high rates of sex trafficking and prostitution do not allow sexual penetration to be used by law enforcement during prostitution investigations yet have no problem completing successful investigations and arrests,? they said in a letter to the legislature.

Roger Young, a retired FBI agent, agreed, telling the Associated Press: ?I don?t know of any state or federal law that allows any law enforcement officer undercover to ? do what this law is allowing ? Once we agree on the price and the sex act, that?s all that you need [to make an arrest]. That breaks the law.?

Does allowing officers the ability to have sex with prostitutes and say it?s for the purpose of an investigation open up the potential for abuse? Police officers assaulting prostitutes are a sadly common experience. A Philadelphia officer was recently charged with raping two female prostitutes, one of whom he was also allegedly dating and soliciting her out on his own, as well. Other cases also exist of police officers abusing their authority to take advantage of prostitutes, such as this Massachusetts officer who had sex with prostitutes dozens of times, allegedly stating ?he felt no one could ?touch? him because he is a police officer,? according to local news reports.

?[T]hey are asking legislators to preserve their ability to have sex with prostitutes because, hey, they do it responsibly,? writes Amanda Marcotte at Slate, and, frankly, that?s what it comes down to. The police arguing to allowing the exception to remain are literally saying, ?No one has complained about us yet, and we can?t say how much we have or will do this, but we promise that just because we can have sex with them doesn?t mean we are going to do it.?

The bill has already passed the state House, and will be heading to the senate. If it passes there, it will be up to the governor to sign or veto. If that occurs, the police in Hawaii will continue to have the unprecedented ability to use their own authority to potentially have sex with people who in many cases are already sexually victimized, all because they may deem it necessary to prove that a prostitute is really intending to have sex for pay.

Tell Hawaii lawmakers that no other state allows the police to have sex with prostitutes and Hawaii doesn?t need to, either.

Why keep reposting this Babe? Do you not read the replies? See my previous post this is a NON-ISSUE Hawaii police and lawmakers have agreed to drop this provision that allowed police to do this with impunity. And any petition signed by out of state residents has no bearing on any States decision regarding their laws anyways.

**Guest** · 03-29-2014, 11:17 AM

Why

Originally posted by Babe View Post

Hi Fantasia,

I repost the petition to show the petition's progress. Maybe someone who tunes into this thread will see what this thread is about if i repost the petition's progress. I wouldn't want any new viewers to see some of the disparaging comments made by some of the members.

I see the replies and people have a right to express their opinion. It doesn't mean i have to do as THEY say.
I read your article.

That petition is still open. I did not create the petition.

When the petition stops being signed because the laws have changed in Hawaii, i suppose the petition will not be needed anymore.
The man who created the petition should close his petition if the Hawaii situation is all done with and over.
Maybe the petition will prove to be valuable at some point.

AS far as it being a problem only in Hawaii and that it's not important for us here. Take a look around the forums and see the topics posted.

I don't ask anyone why they post the topics they post. Half of what i see people posting in this forum is absolute rubbish, i don't say anything because it's not my place to ask people why are you posting this or that.
If i don't like what i see in a thread, i look somewhere else.

The petition is for a good cause.

I don't come here for the meaningless debates and bickerng and name-calling and the dishing out of insults.
I don't take part in that sort of adult childishness.
It does nothing for me.

Okay ?

Babe,
xoxo

**TSFantasia** · 03-29-2014, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Babe View Post

Babe,
xoxo

You can post whatever you like a petition signed by out of state residents is meaningless. And the provision allowing police to do this has ALREADY been removed. So what Is the pointing signing this petition now even if I was a resident of Hawaii?
The last petition I signed has just led to an endless stream of SPAM emails.

**Guest** · 03-29-2014, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Babe View Post

Hmm.

Spam due to a petition?

I don't have any new spam problems on my PC. I sign lots of petitions - i am a member of those petition sites.

Maybe you should check out a spam filter or something, on your end, to control spam.
The spam anyone receives online is not my responsibility.

Babe,
xoxo

**TSFantasia** · 03-29-2014, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Babe View Post

Babe,
xoxo

Spam aside petitions are good if they are relevant this one is NOT that's all I'm saying. Move onto something that' is