A T-Girl Admirer's Four Phases

[sensual_lover20]

As I as always do, I usually type in "tgirl forums" in google which takes me directly to this website. However, this time I mistakenly wrote "tgirl forms" and I interesting came across an excellent article written possibly by a fellow member of the forum named Renee Reyes. I absolutely loved her piece and could strongly relate to these phases an admirer would go through. Enjoy the read and let us know which phase you are on.

LINK: http://www.reneereyes.com/Webdocs/mtrelations.htm

[toban]

Wow ! ! ! !

Thank you for this fantastic link sensual_lover20, that was a very fortunate discovery even if it was accidental. I would like to have seen the"Admirer's Handbook" years ago and I agree that it's a very, VERY interesting read!

Besides the section available at the link you provided, I have just read several of the other sections available from the "Section Index" link at the bottom left of the linked page. Unfortunately some sections are currently under revision so unavailable. Boxed question marks identify those parts that are available. Clicking on that question mark brings up a new section.

Because of my geographical isolation and thus the seeming? lack of any local transgendered girls, I have always felt as an outsider to the general population. I feel that I must now read the remaining parts Renee has made available, before I can accurately identify my placement, though I know I'm definitely well past phase two and some way into phase three (IMHO at least).

As I as always do, I usually type in "tgirl forums" in google which takes me directly to this website. However, this time I mistakenly wrote "tgirl forms" and I interesting came across an excellent article written possibly by a fellow member of the forum named Renee Reyes. I absolutely loved her piece and could strongly relate to these phases an admirer would go through. Enjoy the read and let us know which phase you are on.

LINK: http://www.reneereyes.com/Webdocs/mtrelations.htm

[kristopin]

phase 4

very interesting read. i think im in a late 3 possibly early pahse 4.

As I as always do, I usually type in "tgirl forums" in google which takes me directly to this website. However, this time I mistakenly wrote "tgirl forms" and I interesting came across an excellent article written possibly by a fellow member of the forum named Renee Reyes. I absolutely loved her piece and could strongly relate to these phases an admirer would go through. Enjoy the read and let us know which phase you are on.

LINK: http://www.reneereyes.com/Webdocs/mtrelations.htm

[sensual_lover20]

very interesting read. i think im in a late 3 possibly early pahse 4.

I'm a phase three at a minimum. Most guys here lie in phase one or two. Glad you enjoyed it Toban

[prettyboy]

That was interesting. I relate to bits of all phases, up until the cock is chopped off, then I lose interest. Breasts are optional.
I definitely like a bit of 'sexual spice'.

[kristopin]

phases

this is a very interesting post, i'd like to address it more fully.
first i think we have to understand ourselves as males and also our ages.
i think that most of us would agree that as men we are first of all visually attracted to our sexual partners. it like the primal drive to keep the tribe strong and powerful. we seek someone that can help us keep our hierachy in the tribe, so visual is the first turn on. as modern men we may not like the idea but its what we do. the difference is that today we may want to get to know a person first, but visual is what attracts us first.
second i think we have to look at age interms of the social envirn we grew up in. in the 50's maybe thru 70's gays were not talked about so our exposure to alternative life styles was restrcited. it the way it was so we have a longer indoctrination into that social mode. oue level of acceptance maybe harder to break. folks who went to school etc during the 80's on up did so in a time of greater acceptance for 'gays' as society unfolded. they may have already had gay friends in school and are thus more accepting of the alternative life styles.

so in phase one we find that thru the internet and a variety of chat rooms web sites etc we are now exposed to so many diffent things. we chat with women and after awhile that becomes boring we realize that the girls are faking things and the bloom is off. then we come across transgendered categories. when we first see them (back to my point about visual) we probably became fascinated. here is a person of female persona that has an erection (visual again), an erection indicates in our brains sexual excitement. now for the interesting twist. we suddenly find ourselves becoming hard. we are not sure wether we understand this but we know we are getting sexually aroused. for some this is enough and jerking off cools the jets so to speak. for others we now want to understand this new sexual desire, what does it mean, why am i aroused.
at this time we come to my second tiem where we have to start realising things about alterative lifestyles. we can either make this leap of understanding or leave it alone. when we make the leap we start to move into phase 2.

phase 2.
now we want to learn more. we can surf the net to find info on why we are aroused and to try to understand our own sexuality. is it wrong? why do i feel this way. would i touch another penis? would i suck a tgril penis? would i let her top me? could i top her?whats it all about? this is where we ant to meet a tgirl. yes it is sexual attraction, but also we want to understand.
so we have to find a place we can meet a tgirl. in TO we are fortunate that this has been taken care of thanks to a great couple. of course we need to go thru the whole sexual thing, topping, being topped etc to fully understand that we do like this and it is something that has been missing in our lives. by meetin with the tgirls and talking to them we start to view them as people that have a different life style. if we have any brains at all we can see how strongs they are having gone thru the emotonal gambits of their transition as we do this we beome more accepting of ourselves. now we atart to move to phase 3.

phase 3.
pahse 3 and 4 depends upon where you are personally at in your head. how accepting are you of others. personally i believe that who if you are in a relationship with someone then you should not be ashamed of them. if you are then you are not completely comfortable with your own transition. we saw some of this change because of tv. can you remeber when interacial couples in a tv show could actually kill that show? now it is more accepted, as well as gays and lesbians. why not tgirls? if i was in a somewhat long term relationship with a tgirl then i would have no problem taking her to my companies xmas party. it would most certainly raise a few eyebrows. but it may also be a pioneering step into exposing more peole to the world of transition. yes it would also change the way many people see me and react to me but they would have to eventually realise that i am the same person i just have a different sexual orientation. also i would have no problem with telling my family and introducing her to them. my kids, brothers etc would have to accept or not. im sure if they got to now her then that would also help them accept. they should also not begrudge me some happiness. but she would come first. now until i am in a 'long' term relationship then i'm not ready to fully come out.

i think that i would have to be very comfortable in a realatinship before i took a chance at possibly ruining my career and personal finances. its just the way it is. could you imagine things not turning out ok and being viewed as a stupid old fool. its that kind of thing that holds me back for now. just not being sure im really ready.

i can remeber the day i saw my 'special' friend and suddenly saw her as a female. my mind had already changed and i found myself wondering how 'she' was.

as you can see i have thrown 3 and 4 because i feel im in both phases at the same time. at sometime down the road i would dearly luv to have a tgirl turn to me and say she's in love with me, but since i have only started to make my personal transition since the end of this september i think i have made changes in leaps and bounds. i look forward to a greater understanding of my own sexual needs and also the emotional release of understanding.

i remeber one of the first times, possibly the first visit to the lounge one of the girls asked me what i thought. i could only answer, i feel free like i belong.



cheers all. look forward to comments.
btw feeling much better.

[capitus]

Interesting article. Although she writes of discrete phases, it seems to me more of a gradient. I would say I'm around 3ish, but what's a couple of phases among friends.

[toban]

Me too!

Interesting article. Although she writes of discrete phases, it seems to me more of a gradient. I would say I'm around 3ish, but what's a couple of phases among friends.

Yep, I'm with you!

I agree generally with Renee's assessment and phases but as there is no definitive marker that identifies the end of one phase and/or the start of another, you have to make a judgement call yourself as to when you leave each phase.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Very interesting. Thx SL20.

It's nice to read something unusual besides.."check out my new pics"...or "come get me boys"....etc

See... this is another example that tgirl's personality is (or can be) as normal as other "normal" people (read: straight men and women)

[Aston Martin]

I'm not complaining that someone has built a box to fit me in, but how well
I actually fit into that box. Great article.

[sensual_lover20]

i remeber one of the first times, possibly the first visit to the lounge one of the girls asked me what i thought. i could only answer, i feel free like i belong.

Thank you everyone for all your comments. When I came across I knew the later phase people would truly enjoy it. I just want to make a comment. When I go to Goodhandy's I actually feel like a bird out of it's cage. It is a feeling you can't buy. The feeling of being yourself and being accepted. It feels better than sex or looking physically good. That is my main reason of going there. I have opened up myself to three female friends. They accept it and still talk with me. They said they sort of saw it coming, not sure how though. In this day and age, everyone is very accepting so moving forward is a lot easier. Throughout time I expect to eventually open myself up to my family and closest friends (once I'm financially stable). I have came to realize that this is everlasting, so I choose to live with it. I will stay single or marry a t-girl, possibly a genetic girl who is into these things (rare), simple as that. So I'm leaning closer to Phase Four these days.

[youngboy4ts]

thanks

Thanks bro it was excellent. I like it too. As I said before we are leaving in 2008 and we all are 200% open minded men.

Respect!!!

[jd1600]

Rene is a very beautiful person. I've know her for years but no longer live in Ga (I guess she's still and Atlanta girl) and haven't seen her for a long time. I think she is now post-op but not sure.

She was extremely pretty and a lot of fun to be around. I wish her the best wherever she is.

[kristopin]

another part of phases

hi all.
i have other thoughts on the phases but they are still a little grey in my head but i thought i would take a stab at this.
i think we can all agree that this all starts at a sexual level. for some this is just curiosity for others its a more meaningful exploration of self. but for both it begins with sex.
now lets imagine that one starts this sexual exploration, goes to say the lounge and discovers no this is not for me. that person has at least started to be curious about their own sexual identity and has discovered tgirls are not his way. for others they like it and want to persue more. now i think we have to examine all the sexual acts that a male and tgirl can do together. if a person does not go thru all of the possiblities then i dont think we can truly say we accept the whole thing. fir instance if you discover that you dont like a tgirl to cum in your mouth, or to top her or to have her top you, etc then how could we satisfy all of her needs? i think this exploration has to include all possibilites to be able to say i want and accept it all. personally i have yet to experience these things but im pretty sure i want it all.

i dont mean to upset anyone on this paragraph but i thnk there is a moral dilema here. i have noticed a number of posts, threads on this site and others asking 'how can i meet a tgirl that is not in the sex trade?' this may be a difficult task just based on numbers. the reason for this paragrah was a a random thought. imagine a person that finds his curiosity roused and meets a tgirl that is not in the sex trade. she has gone thru her transition and is happy with herself. she meets this guy who wants to date her, possibly her first since transition, they go thru all the possible sex acts and he decides he doesnt like it. tells her so and leaves. i was trying to imagine how destructive this may be to her a rejection of her turning into a rejection of her transition. i am not sure if this makes sense?
anyone?

anyway i know what i do like now and look forward to continuing my journey.

the first time i went to the lounge i felt free.

the first time i went to goodhandy's i felt like i belonged.

the first time i went to my 'friends' house i was so nervous and insecure.
i was trembling inside.
this was a massive leap for me. this was the exact moment i truly started to understand my own sexual identity.
her transition has given me myself.
my thanks to her for giving me this it cannot be expressed.

[sensual_lover20]

Kristopin - In short when it comes to t-girls think of short term and long term. Several will not be doing this forever (Tia has stated this several times). You need to find one who isn't doing this for the long haul and I can tell who will be. If you could put up with some short term complications, you will be set for long term success. Are you ready to make that sacrifice? I would.