"Men That Like Shemales Are Closet Case Homosexuals"

[Haley]

This is actually worthy of consideration. As I was one of those who are seriously opting to go under the knife to become a full woman, which in this post clearly explained would be hard to achieve, just changing your anatomy doesn't mean you really become one.

Legality is one pro, you will be recognized on all legal papers as a female, but as we know now, you can change your gender on your driver's license and health card in ontario, with passport... well, according to Nikki is one major hurdle as it is federal, but a number of transgendered women here claimed that on their passport their gender indicate that they are female even with their inborn male sex organ, now this is what I would definitely ask, if I'll be given a chance when I attend Nikki's "Sex for Sale" event in March.

As I would like to know If i'll be violating law if on my passport says it's a female, even withour SRS. coz, I spoke to a few who said their gender in their passport says 'male'
and never had any problems when travelling , crossing border. There are some gray areas here that I want to be educated, and then there are those who said that their gender is female on theirs, even without SRS, is there any legal or lawyers help you needed to change your sex status from 'male' to 'female.' on my passport? Another pro of course after a successful surgery is the elimination of pulling and tucking in when wearing a tight sexy dress, swimsuit, bikini or even a stretch denim pants in a non t-girl friendly environment.

Barbie's thread is a little eye opening for me on whether to aspire for that ultimate goal. I realized now after being exposed to the community, that having a pussy doesn't necessarily mean your no longer a part of the community. SRS people still consider themselves as transexual and a former male and still wanting to be or maybe doesn't have a choice but to remain and be labelled as part of the transgendered community, so in essence, you'll never get away from what you are and what you have been and neither can't hide in your future relationships ( as truth will and always hunts you down) even if you move to a place where nobody knows your past, as that is likely will be like in self exile, and being in exile and away from your friends and family is the most devastating lost to anyone, and I won't/never be happy with that, I'm much rather be considered dead.

So! darn! Barbie your frankness and truthfulness has starting to change my mind. I'd rather just have a boob job and forget about saving more money to change my anatomy, I think I'll just have to change my outlook, perspective and attitude about my sexuality. As seeing some sexually altered people (SRS) still miserable and running all the time, running from the truth, running from reality, and as what Barbie's trying to express thru her post this is what we are. And I did witness a number of post-op T-girl, who after settling down with the guy who they thought are their future and only to find out that the hopes and blissful ending all died in a matter of years, some say oh! no! we're happy and contented and no problems are lying to their teeth.

So in ending, I think I will just try my best to be happy for what I have right now and who know's tomorrow (or the future ) is another day for a scarlet like me. All I want to know for now is how to change that gender box on my passport, that is what always bothers me everytime I travel.

Unfortunately, Barbie does not have all of her facts straight.

The post-op girl can be orgasmic depending on, just like a GG, whether they allow themselves to orgasm. Also, the post-op vagina is self-lubricating. There is post-op care though which entails inserting a stint into the vagina to keep it from collapsing. Of course you can replace the stint with a vibrator or a boyfriend. Also, good surgeons can provide very realistic results. Enough to fool OBGYNs until the try to examine the uterus. But then, plenty of GGs don't have uteruses either.

To change your sex on your passport is easy, and you don't need to have surgery before you can do it. All you need is your doctor to write a letter stating you have been diagnosed with transsexualism and you now present and live as your true sex. The passport office will then issue you with a new passport stating the proper sex, (Female in your case.)

I also don't agree with the idea we were men before. We may have been identified as such and trained to behave like men, but that does not make us men. I have no idea what it's like to be a man. That's because most men don't spend their every waking moment fighting with the reality they are in the wrong body. They just don't do that. Think of it this way. It would be like going to Disneyland with a really bad toothache. It's kind of hard to know what Disneyland is like when you have this killer pain in your head.

[Wiseone26]

Unfortunately, Barbie does not have all of her facts straight.

The post-op girl can be orgasmic depending on, just like a GG, whether they allow themselves to orgasm. Also, the post-op vagina is self-lubricating. There is post-op care though which entails inserting a stint into the vagina to keep it from collapsing. Of course you can replace the stint with a vibrator or a boyfriend. Also, good surgeons can provide very realistic results. Enough to fool OBGYNs until the try to examine the uterus. But then, plenty of GGs don't have uteruses either.

To change your sex on your passport is easy, and you don't need to have surgery before you can do it. All you need is your doctor to write a letter stating you have been diagnosed with transsexualism and you now present and live as your true sex. The passport office will then issue you with a new passport stating the proper sex, (Female in your case.)

I also don't agree with the idea we were men before. We may have been identified as such and trained to behave like men, but that does not make us men. I have no idea what it's like to be a man. That's because most men don't spend their every waking moment fighting with the reality they are in the wrong body. They just don't do that. Think of it this way. It would be like going to Disneyland with a really bad toothache. It's kind of hard to know what Disneyland is like when you have this killer pain in your head.

in the US you can not get the gender marker changed until you have a letter of surgery, HOWEVER you can get a temporary passport to aid in travel with an 'F' but after a year you have to reapply.

link, www.nctequality.org/Resources/NCTE_passports.pdf the section about gender markers.

in Canada, this is from the sex section from passport canada...

"
Sex

• 1. Where the sex indicated in an application for a passport is not the same as that set out in that applicant’s birth certificate, the applicant may be requested to provide an explanation.
  2. Where an application for a passport indicates that a change of sex of the applicant has taken place, the applicant may be requested to submit a certificate from a medical practitioner to substantiate the statement."

link, http://www.ppt.gc.ca/publications/81....aspx?lang=eng

most cases the letter has to be a letter from the surgeon that did the operation, it has always been like that. Unless something very recent has changed..

[Lani]

To change your sex on your passport is easy, and you don't need to have surgery before you can do it. All you need is your doctor to write a letter stating you have been diagnosed with transsexualism and you now present and live as your true sex. The passport office will then issue you with a new passport stating the proper sex, (Female in your case.)

in the US you can not get the gender marker changed until you have a letter of surgery, HOWEVER you can get a temporary passport to aid in travel with an 'F' but after a year you have to reapply.

link, www.nctequality.org/Resources/NCTE_passports.pdf the section about gender markers.

in Canada, this is from the sex section from passport canada...

"
Sex

• 1. Where the sex indicated in an application for a passport is not the same as that set out in that applicant’s birth certificate, the applicant may be requested to provide an explanation.
  2. Where an application for a passport indicates that a change of sex of the applicant has taken place, the applicant may be requested to submit a certificate from a medical practitioner to substantiate the statement."

link, http://www.ppt.gc.ca/publications/81....aspx?lang=eng

most cases the letter has to be a letter from the surgeon that did the operation, it has always been like that. Unless something very recent has changed..

Cool! I didn't know that it would be as simple as that. And I have asked so many girls, who even had an implants and told me it's still 'M' in their gender box, maybe just like me they are not aware of this. Thanks to both of you.

Now,regarding 'SRS' it's still in the book of my dreams.

[Haley]

Now,regarding 'SRS' it's still in the book of my dreams.

I believe SRS is now covered my the Ontario medical service provider. You should look into it.

[Foxy Basket]

To change your sex on your passport is easy, and you don't need to have surgery before you can do it. All you need is your doctor to write a letter stating you have been diagnosed with transsexualism and you now present and live as your true sex. The passport office will then issue you with a new passport stating the proper sex, (Female in your case.

This, unfortunately, is not enough to change your passport. The legal requirement to change one's sex is "transsexual surgery" and changing your birth certificate has the same definition. The thing is, there's no surgical definition for what "transsexual surgery" entails. Some people might assume it to mean "genital reassignment surgery" - which was certainly the case when I went to renew my passport in mid-December. The clerk actually asked me if I had "completed the full surgery" and I told him that my medical history was none of his fucking business!

Since there is no actual medical procedure called "transsexual surgery" it does permit us some degree of flexibility; a doctor can use their judgement when defining the term. I know a girl who merely had her ears pierced, and a supportive doctor gave her a letter; I know several who have had their Health Card, Birth Certificate or Passport changed because of breast implants or facial feminization. The Attorney General does not question the doctor's judgement, because obtaining medical history often requires a court order; they basically just take the doctor's word for it.

As Paula rightly pointed out, you can get a temporary (one-year) passport, but you need a letter from the surgeon who will be performing genital reassignment surgery on you. However, after that year, you need to get another doctor to write you a letter, confirming that the surgery has indeed been "completed." Otherwise, your passport expires, and the next one will be issued with an "M."

The Ontario birth certificate requires three seperate letters; one that you write yourself, another written by the surgeon who performs the surgery, and a third by another doctor who examines you after the fact. But I've known people who have had their info changed with one single letter from doctor who examines them, and certifiies that they have had "surgery in line with their transsexual identity." It's all in how you write the letter, I think.

My own experience is strange but unfortunately typical. Despite having a Driver's License with an "F", my birth certificate still has that stupid little "M" and the passport relies on the birth certificate. When I was at the office, I presented the letter from my doctor which certified my change was appropriate and permanent - which is what a Driver's License requires. But the MTO has a different policy than Passport Canada (partly because the MTO is provincial, while passports are issued federally; Dalton's Liberals were more open to our lobbying than Chretien's, Martin's or Harper's government have been) so they insisted my passport match my birth certificate.

The irony is, I used my Driver's License as my supporting document, and it was accepted as such. Which means that Passport Canada accepted that I was legally female. Regardless, they intentionally elected not to accept all the information as legitimate, and in spite of my objections, insisted on using a completely contradictory piece of identification - just because some doctor, 28 years ago, happened to say "it's a boy!" without ever giving me a chance to disagree.

It's actually ludicrous and hilarious at the same time - I am, legally speaking, simultaneously both male and female. Fucking bureaucracy!

I believe SRS is now covered my the Ontario medical service provider. You should look into it.

It's been nearly a year since they re-listed it, but not one person has actually received OHIP-covered SRS. They can't figure out the implementation procedure; they don't know if it should be a reimbursement, or whether they'll cover out-of-country surgical procedures; they don't even know which procedures will be covered. This presents particular problems for female-to-male transsexuals, who often require many different procedures, with a massive range in cost.

They don't even know which organization will certify it; right now, it's the Clarke, and they don't even want the responsibility. We're pushing David Caplan to send it to the Sherbourne Health Centre, but he's rather uninformed about the issue. For all of George Smitherman's faults, at least he knew enough about it - I met with him at a function last October, and talked for about 20 minutes - he was very educated about the subject, partly because he's a trans admirer himself! (Sadly, he's only into trans men, otherwise I'd have milked that cow for all he was worth!)

We're basically starting from scratch, and we're almost worse off than when we started. Fucking bureaucracy!!!

[robchatc]

i totally agree with you, i love being topped by a big cocked shemale, i also love sucking guys cocks.

[shemaleluvplz]

Well if were gay for liking shemales and etc, thats makes you gay as well, correct ? If you want to be trully accurate your still kind of a man as well, which in turns makes you gay as well. In the true form its one guy having sex with another guy, just one has fake implants, nice ass and is wearing women clothing. I don't mean to offened anyone. I only brought this up due to the fact she refered to herself as a girl, but she is still a kind of a man. My point is made, thank you. Also i didn't mean to piss anyone off either.

[cobbler]

Well if were gay for liking shemales and etc, thats makes you gay as well, correct ? If you want to be trully accurate your still kind of a man as well, which in turns makes you gay as well. In the true form its one guy having sex with another guy, just one has fake implants, nice ass and is wearing women clothing. I don't mean to offened anyone. I only brought this up due to the fact she refered to herself as a girl, but she is still a kind of a man. My point is made, thank you. Also i didn't mean to piss anyone off either.

Well I think you probably pissed off a lot of people with your "point made". The fundamental thesis of transgenderism is that these people were born not as men wearing women's clothing but as women wearing men's bodies.

[toban]

I like this description!

. . . . . . . . . The fundamental thesis of transgenderism is that these people were born not as men wearing women's clothing but as women wearing men's bodies.

I think this is a very apt description of the situation these girls find themselves in.

Cobbler, if this is an original statement by you, I applaud you!

If it is a quote from elsewhere, then I thank you for bringing it to our attention.

[Barbie_Swallows]

Well if were gay for liking shemales and etc, thats makes you gay as well, correct ? If you want to be trully accurate your still kind of a man as well, which in turns makes you gay as well. In the true form its one guy having sex with another guy, just one has fake implants, nice ass and is wearing women clothing. I don't mean to offened anyone. I only brought this up due to the fact she refered to herself as a girl, but she is still a kind of a man. My point is made, thank you. Also i didn't mean to piss anyone off either.

Like i said over a thousand times, i admit who i am, for being a SHEMALE! I don't wanna be a real girl with a fake pussy, i enjoy being both, a tranny! The whole point why i made this threat was because majority of men that love transsexuals, won't admit to themselves or to others that they are bisexual. They still believe there totally straight. So i had to make a point on this site to express my views. And no, u didn't offended me at all. I got ur private email, and u mentioned u were bisexual. Yea that's cool.


I have no problem what so ever in guys that like shemales that admit there bi. I just hate the fact when they try to lie to my face say there 100% straight, that's all. I still think it's still consider a homosexual act for a man to sleep with a tranny. Cause we're really guys dressed up as chicks. Some get upset when i say that we're wearing a very expensive halloween costume. But do u really think i give a fuck? LOL.... u know it's true. Don't argue with me on that one. If they didn't have money to afford to look like women, we would basically look like regular guys, without all the hair & makeup, female clothing & plastic surgeries (breast implants/ugly vagina) ect...



B@rbie Swallows

[flick]

closet homos?

I've said it before and I'll say it again............
We, who loves transexuals are not totally 'straight'. I 100% totally agree with Barbie that we are bisexual cuz of our attraction to men with implants taking estrogen and still have a nice (hmmm getting hard just thinking about Barbie's dick) hard cock for us to play with.
For those who still thinks they are 'straight'.....think again.

[Montana]

if you like a girl that has a dick then you know whats up

[kristopin]

labels again

I've said it before and I'll say it again............
We, who loves transexuals are not totally 'straight'. I 100% totally agree with Barbie that we are bisexual cuz of our attraction to men with implants taking estrogen and still have a nice (hmmm getting hard just thinking about Barbie's dick) hard cock for us to play with.
For those who still thinks they are 'straight'.....think again.

its all labels again. when we hear some one say 'a red ball' we all know what a red ball looks like. it is round and red. simple. we know what the 'label' implies, we dont have to think about it. ok now 'male' we all know that one, 'gay' ok we all know that one, a 'bisexual male' we all know that mean a guy that likes sex with both men and women. now for the difficult part, define a man who likes sex with a transexual. mmm we dont know a word for that it is not in our vocabulary, what should we do? mmmm call them fags, gay, bi, ohoh we dont know what to do, so we all try to adapt some to her 'label'. we have been thru this one so many times before. someone invent a word before we all go crazy. trisexual? maybe the shrinks have a word for us.

[Dani]

Bisexual should apply for men who are attracted to transexuals. Given they are attracted to femininity - If you are into sucking, I'm sorry but there is nothing feminine in a cock. If you are attracted to the feminine appearance, and lust over a cock: a symbol of masculinity; Therefore, you are bisexual.

[sensual_lover20]

Bisexual should apply for men who are attracted to transexuals. Given they are attracted to femininity - If you are into sucking, I'm sorry but there is nothing feminine in a cock. If you are attracted to the feminine appearance, and lust over a cock: a symbol of masculinity; Therefore, you are bisexual.

Agreed.