definitions or catch 22?

[kristopin]

lets not get heated

transgender = now being used as an umbrella term for all transgender, MTF, FTM, CD, TS, Two spirit, etc.

transensual = someone who is only attracted to transgendered persons.

if YOU are a transensual by definition therefore YOU are transgendered.

any thoughts on this?

[Rose]

I don't think someone who is attracted to Trans people would also be Trans. Being Trans is about the transgression against the normative definition of gender, while being attracted to a Trans person doesn't effect your own gender.

I'm Pansexual, but that is separate from me also being Transsexual. Definition of the self, and definition of who you are attracted to are separate.

[markerverse]

Rose , for my Edification

Pansexual , implies a host of activity interests above and below the 'sheets' . How about narrowing it down for some of us less informed.
please ??

[Rose]

Stolen straight from wiki;
"Pansexuality, or omnisexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by the potential for aesthetic attraction, romantic love, or sexual desire for people, regardless of their gender identity or biological sex. Some pansexuals suggest that they are gender-blind; that gender and sex are insignificant or irrelevant in determining whether they will be sexually attracted to others."

[kristopin]

Pansexual , implies a host of activity interests above and below the 'sheets' . How about narrowing it down for some of us less informed.
please ??

transensual as define in literature from a course i am in is defined as a person that is not attracted to the other two genders but is soley attracted to transgendered persons exclusively.

Rose correct me if i am wrong. pansexual is into all sex regardless?

[kristopin]

inner spirit

Stolen straight from wiki;
"Pansexuality, or omnisexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by the potential for aesthetic attraction, romantic love, or sexual desire for people, regardless of their gender identity or biological sex. Some pansexuals suggest that they are gender-blind; that gender and sex are insignificant or irrelevant in determining whether they will be sexually attracted to others."

my inner spirit believes there is no such thing as gender. there is love and there is love. two people fall in love. the feeling is real regardless of anything. ref green tara.

as conception we are all non gendered until the mothers body injects testosterone. this is the physical gender defining time. transgendered from birth means you intimately know you are in the wrong body from the core of your being.

[Rose]

Not all sex, no. Just not segregated to being attracted to certain genders or gender identities exclusively. I am attracted to men, women, transwomen, transmen, and everyone in between.

[Rose]

transgendered from birth means you intimately know you are in the wrong body from the core of your being.

Definitely.

[markerverse]

Good heavens Rose




..... your clarification most reassuring. But I must admit to being stymied. I had visions of monsters and goblins, and the like...

[tslisaparadise]

..... your clarification most reassuring. But I must admit to being stymied. I had visions of monsters and goblins, and the like...

hahahaha,i dont think we can define people nor paint us all with the same brush cause were all individuals with unique charactoristics.

[greep]

whats the difference between being pansexual and bisexual?

[kristopin]

co sign

hahahaha,i dont think we can define people nor paint us all with the same brush cause were all individuals with unique charactoristics.

you are 100% right about that Lisa. we are all individuals each of us with our own little twists of character and tastes and so on.

it is also because of this that all the girls that transition also have individual experiences. we are wonderful beings.

[kristopin]

true

People cannot all be categorized in the same buckets.

also true admin.

the purpose of this thread was to see if any of the guys out there would respond in terms of the accepted definitions are they then transgendered. would this be a revelation to them.
i realised about a year ago that i was then 'transensual'. remember a thread about a 'label' for someone who only was attracted to tgirls. we had transexualist and so on. so after a year and finding the 'accepted' terms then back then i was a transensual.
i am sooo much more now. haha.

[toban]

Yep, I must disagree with your assumption bolded in green below.

lets not get heated

transgender = now being used as an umbrella term for all transgender, MTF, FTM, CD, TS, Two spirit, etc.

transensual = someone who is only attracted to transgendered persons.

if YOU are a transensual by definition therefore YOU are transgendered.

any thoughts on this?

The reason I have to disagree with your statement:- it is not necessary that someone who could be labelled "transsensual" by the definition above, have any problems relating to their own sexuality, that they themselves feel that they have been e.g. born into the wrong body, which I gather, is essentially the background of those who feel they are transgendered.

There are many, many forms of sexual fascination that may lead one to fulfil their own desires in ways that differ wildly from the norm, but do not require that the person feel they are of a different gender than that displayed by their body!

[kristopin]

disagree

The reason I have to disagree with your statement:- it is not necessary that someone who could be labelled "transsensual" by the definition above, have any problems relating to their own sexuality, that they themselves feel that they have been e.g. born into the wrong body, which I gather, is essentially the background of those who feel they are transgendered.

There are many, many forms of sexual fascination that may lead one to fulfil their own desires in ways that differ wildly from the norm, but do not require that the person feel they are of a different gender than that displayed by their body!

in the course i am on i have received a list of definitions. this is important for the 'transgendered' persons rights. you are quite correct in thinking that 'transgendered' meant transitioning to resolve disphoria. however the term transgendered is now seen as an umbrella word that encompasses MTF, FTM, CD, TS, Two spirit etc. in other words if you do not feel that you identify with the genders male/female and belong to another group then you are transgendered.

we have MTF, and FTM, and a huge grey area that the umbrella covers.

you also have to remember we are talking gender not sexual orientation. that is the rub with the rights issue. transgendered is considered to be guaranteed thru sexual orientation not as an equal to M or F. i think, and many will diagree that we also need a T to choose from on all the forms we have to fill out. if a transgendered person that is fully transitioning from disphoria then they should also have the right to become F or M as they choose. there are many poeple that go thru transitin all the way to SRS and then stop. so they are not F or M but T.

so transexual as now defined is part of the underlying definitions of transgendered.