TS KITANA's FIRST FUCKIN RANT!

[tsKITANA]

200 is the price that travestit charge for 1 h ....... yes 200 is good .. but is realy not too much ... with all the money with put into herself lisa dont you think its worth that we charge more then someone who buy a 30$ fake haire 20$ make up and 40$ dress ? .... i think 300 is the minimum bietiful girl like us shuld charge for a visit .. and yes add more $$ for the diferent service offer ..... yes i understand that most of people will not do that in one day ....... but wuld they do what we do for the 200$ i realy dont thimk so ..... making sex with someon who is not your type .. is not that easy .... and thats why we get paid that money

praise the goddesses above that my hair did is 200+ and does not fall into the 30$ section!

[kitana.mai]

There are so many sketchy people out here in Vancouver. I get so many pointless calls a day, asking the stupidest questions or they're just jerking off on the phone. There girls that like to slander each other on CL as well. There are girls who write crap about all the Asian TS escorts. There seems to be a group of people who aren't very fond of us. It's common to get hate mail and threatening phone calls here.

As for pay, generally the girls here charge 200-250. There are lots of girls who charge less. But you get what you pay for, I guess.

Anyways, dont let it get to you, there are always gonna be haters.

[Rantsalot]

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There was a topic like this before involving all issues about how much to ask for a donation, who to see and who not to see, keeping ones self worth, maintaining a style and keeping a profile unique.

It's really a no win situation in not only this but many other markets. Music, sports, politics,and so on. When someone has a successful idea or plan others often imitate and compete and then there is also the statement " If someone is looking for something bad enough they'll find any way necessary to get it ". Of course thats not always true. There is also the driver of supply and demand. Supply and demand always brings forth competition.

If I could use an analogy like Paris had done..

You're looking for a couch. One place offers 300$. Word gets around and someone else offers 200$. The original place you went too hears what the competitior is doing and says 175$, final offer. Yeah, it sucks, but some people no matter what it is will kick, lie, spit, yell and who knows what else to get that couch out of the store.

Some call it aggressive selling some call it playing dirty and some call it brilliant selling practises. I've had and still do have some experiences in marketing and promotion and the like. With anything you got to keep it original, keep it fresh, try and think 5 steps ahead, have a back up plan etc etc if you want that couch outta there.. Its tough going up against others at times

Of course it never hurts to ask for help or a consultation

Just a thought.

[sunshine]

not a job

$200/hour is a lot of money last time I checked. Many people don't even make that in a day or even two days (excluding tax). Lawyers or Chartered Accountants charge $300 to $400 an hour for their time and took years of grueling education, grinding through the ranks and still having to out smart their competition to make that. There are starving lawyers as there are starving escorts. I will never agree that $200/hour is cheap money for selling escort services, but in fact great pay. Of course, this is probably jealousy talking that I cannot do it myself. However, I do believe if you shipped of the Toronto girls here who do tricks for low prices and send them over to Vancouver, your market rate will be greatly devalued. Supply is immensely lower than demand there in Vancouver I am assuming. Over the past couple of years I have been around the scene I have seen various prices. Victoria, Tia, Tania and Terah have all increased there prices while many have remained the same. The girls can't be hurting that much. Of course, I will always get the counter-argument that they are not actually getting more clients, they just feel that it is the value of their time with a person. Would love your take on it, of course some friendly debate too, not that my points appear all too friendly. I mean well.

As for CL, it is generally cheap but I wouldn't go finding escorts on there. Craig is right on his thoughts.

Kitana, keep ranting I love it. Let it all out. A bit on my face too

You know what - if I take your argument and actually compare this occupation with a lawyer, I can almost begin to see your point. I might go even further and say that, since I did not get a University degree, maybe I should do this job for $15 to $20 per hour.

But then I wake up and realize that was just a bad dream. This is not a job! You should not compare it to any other career or occupation. Why don't you compare it to an ounce of weed? How much does it cost to produce that ounce of weed? Not much really. Yet you have to spend $200 if you want to buy it, maybe $250. How is that justifiable? Or you could look at cars. A Mercedes is alot more than a Kia. Yet, essentially the basic materials and work force costs are the similar in cost. How do they justify that?

The bottom line is, that is what it costs. It isn't as much money as you make it out to be. I could go over how much I spend on this or that or how much I have invested in surgeries etc. but you know, we've been over all that. That is what it costs.

If someone wants to see me as a client, I have my rate. If he tries to insist that I lower my rate, that client is not going to get to see me. Maybe I don't make any more money, maybe I do. Let's see: I suppose that if I charged $100 (I mean $100 is alot of money for an hourly rate), I would see alot more clients; I would have to see three or four times more clients to make the same money. Lets see, if I saw 5 times more clients then maybe I would make more. Sorry - I am not an assembly line and I am not lowering my rates because clients think I should.

Of course, as it has been pointed out, there are different rates for different levels of the business. Some streetwalkers will do business for $20. Some really high-level call girls charge $5000. There's a whole range in between. As a client, I am sure you can find a place for yourself in all that. Let me reverse the point: how much are YOU worth to yourself? I mean how much are YOU willing to spend on yourself, for YOUR pleasure?

Sunshine

[sensual_lover20]

You know what - if I take your argument and actually compare this occupation with a lawyer, I can almost begin to see your point. I might go even further and say that, since I did not get a University degree, maybe I should do this job for $15 to $20 per hour.

But then I wake up and realize that was just a bad dream. This is not a job! You should not compare it to any other career or occupation. Why don't you compare it to an ounce of weed? How much does it cost to produce that ounce of weed? Not much really. Yet you have to spend $200 if you want to buy it, maybe $250. How is that justifiable? Or you could look at cars. A Mercedes is alot more than a Kia. Yet, essentially the basic materials and work force costs are the similar in cost. How do they justify that?

The bottom line is, that is what it costs. It isn't as much money as you make it out to be. I could go over how much I spend on this or that or how much I have invested in surgeries etc. but you know, we've been over all that. That is what it costs.

If someone wants to see me as a client, I have my rate. If he tries to insist that I lower my rate, that client is not going to get to see me. Maybe I don't make any more money, maybe I do. Let's see: I suppose that if I charged $100 (I mean $100 is alot of money for an hourly rate), I would see alot more clients; I would have to see three or four times more clients to make the same money. Lets see, if I saw 5 times more clients then maybe I would make more. Sorry - I am not an assembly line and I am not lowering my rates because clients think I should.

Of course, as it has been pointed out, there are different rates for different levels of the business. Some streetwalkers will do business for $20. Some really high-level call girls charge $5000. There's a whole range in between. As a client, I am sure you can find a place for yourself in all that. Let me reverse the point: how much are YOU worth to yourself? I mean how much are YOU willing to spend on yourself, for YOUR pleasure?

Sunshine

First off, Lisa thanks for the support in the second page.

Sunshine, here is my retaliation. Frankly, we live in a capitalist country so let the smart live and the stupid starve. But you can't compare selling your body to selling drugs. There is much cost and infrastructure which goes into both. I will use accounting for comparative purposes. As an escort, you perform surgeries and expensive ones at that. Our equivalency is education and moreover mandatory annual professional development courses. At the beginning of our careers, we basically whore ourselves out at a low price (pun intended) so we can get a feel for the field and build a name in the market with our experience. Comparatively there are a fair amount of similarities. Between escorting incalls and selling weed, they are both illegal if that is what you are referring too. However, in your career as in most cash businesses is your ability to avoid taxes. This is always my issue as all my income is recorded on a T4 and cash business are subject to the free rider problem. On a side note, it is considerable time and effort going into selling weed. Not that I know, but I can fathom. I agree with your justification of costs as you don't want to see too many people and have self-value. I just cannot see how $200/hour is just down right cheap. $15-$20 I understand, you would probably have the clap. $100 is also low, but seeing 3 people in a day and making $300 is pretty good cash. After tax cash if I may add. Sorry, I don't mean to make you as an assembly line. But seeing 3 clients at $300 an hour daily will be making your more money than a doctor. Lastly, in my random set of points. I have no knowledge of cars, but a quick look over financial statements of both Kia and M-B would like have varying differences in their R & D and their associated wages paid to engineers. The costs to create vehicle include variable, fixed and mixed costs. Based on absorbtion costing I believe that M-B would be theoretically greater than Kia, even if based on a relative scale.

Your thoughts? I like your replies, you are fundamentally intelligent and experienced so I just do this in fun, not to inflict any damage. I think you also like input also.

[tsKITANA]

dammit, i jus wanted to rant.

And arguements comes along.
sigh. ok deal with this one my lovelies and end it soon!


love, me =)

[tslisaparadise]

First off, Lisa thanks for the support in the second page.

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no problem i think the problem is some escorts have never actually had to work for a living i doubt they could do a 9 to 5 job at 20 bucks an hour now there are some who do know what its like say Christina from hamilton she works a regular job and had huge responsability doing it i respect that more then you know and others who do the same thats what its all about the problem is once you cross the line into escorting you get distanced from the real world because of the money we make i for one have never needed a realitty check ive looked at life from both sides now its not only a great song but its an advantage of wisdom that isnt usually achieved till your older.to be honest when somebody leaves after a visit i always shake my head in amazement knowing that i once used to make in one week what i now make in one hour how crazy is that?its not a question of how much i think im worth its how much i need to be able to sleep at night.

[Rockheart]

no problem i think the problem is some escorts have never actually had to work for a living i doubt they could do a 9 to 5 job at 20 bucks an hour now there are some who do know what its like say Christina from hamilton she works a regular job and had huge responsability doing it i respect that more then you know and others who do the same thats what its all about the problem is once you cross the line into escorting you get distanced from the real world because of the money we make i for one have never needed a realitty check ive looked at life from both sides now its not only a great song but its an advantage of wisdom that isnt usually achieved till your older.to be honest when somebody leaves after a visit i always shake my head in amazement knowing that i once used to make in one week what i now make in one hour how crazy is that?its not a question of how much i think im worth its how much i need to be able to sleep at night.

However i must point out to any youngsters listening that if you go to university and get a good career it is possible to make way more money than being an escort. And that's a fact kiddies.

[Paris-Montreal]

kitana u r crazy lol im nt talking about you ... the comparasion i did was about montreal if you go on craiglist montreal you will see in the last years you have maybe 20 new girls .... and this girls r actualy gay guy who just buy a cheap fake haire little bit make up and thats it .. and charge 200$ ... so what i say is that make no sence that girl who put like 10-20 k in chururgie charge the same price as them ...

[sunshine]

I actually agree with you on something - Wow!

First off, Lisa thanks for the support in the second page.

Sunshine, here is my retaliation. Frankly, we live in a capitalist country so let the smart live and the stupid starve. But you can't compare selling your body to selling drugs. There is much cost and infrastructure which goes into both. I will use accounting for comparative purposes. As an escort, you perform surgeries and expensive ones at that. Our equivalency is education and moreover mandatory annual professional development courses. At the beginning of our careers, we basically whore ourselves out at a low price (pun intended) so we can get a feel for the field and build a name in the market with our experience. Comparatively there are a fair amount of similarities. Between escorting incalls and selling weed, they are both illegal if that is what you are referring too. However, in your career as in most cash businesses is your ability to avoid taxes. This is always my issue as all my income is recorded on a T4 and cash business are subject to the free rider problem. On a side note, it is considerable time and effort going into selling weed. Not that I know, but I can fathom. I agree with your justification of costs as you don't want to see too many people and have self-value. I just cannot see how $200/hour is just down right cheap. $15-$20 I understand, you would probably have the clap. $100 is also low, but seeing 3 people in a day and making $300 is pretty good cash. After tax cash if I may add. Sorry, I don't mean to make you as an assembly line. But seeing 3 clients at $300 an hour daily will be making your more money than a doctor. Lastly, in my random set of points. I have no knowledge of cars, but a quick look over financial statements of both Kia and M-B would like have varying differences in their R & D and their associated wages paid to engineers. The costs to create vehicle include variable, fixed and mixed costs. Based on absorbtion costing I believe that M-B would be theoretically greater than Kia, even if based on a relative scale.

Your thoughts? I like your replies, you are fundamentally intelligent and experienced so I just do this in fun, not to inflict any damage. I think you also like input also.

You know, this is just in fun, contributing to the forum, chatting, etc. But I actually think we are in complete agreement on something here. You talked about having to whore yourself out at the beginning of a professional career and then being able to step up to more reasonable fee level when you become sure-footed in the industry. Hey - that's what I am talking about. I have become sure-footed and I can garner that rate. I am not going to go backwards and now charge less. Would an accountant begin charging less when he his telephone is ringing off the hook with people willing to pay more? Of course not.

You go on to other points that I disagree with. I mean the tax thing is another topic altogether. Another thing I agree with is that we do live in a capitalistic society. If I can capitalize on something, nothing prevents me from doing so. This isn't communism. Of course, I won't keep this up together. As Rantsalot says, I had better have a plan B. And I do! To be revealed in a few months. Can't say more yet - sorry!

To be entirely fair, if I put myself in your shoes, everything you say makes sense. If you put yourself in mine, do I make sense to you too?

Sunshine

[tsKITANA]

kitana u r crazy lol im nt talking about you ... the comparasion i did was about montreal if you go on craiglist montreal you will see in the last years you have maybe 20 new girls .... and this girls r actualy gay guy who just buy a cheap fake haire little bit make up and thats it .. and charge 200$ ... so what i say is that make no sence that girl who put like 10-20 k in chururgie charge the same price as them ...

hhehe yes i know girl. dont worry about it.I knew u werent talking about me. I was jus pickin on my hair! LOL
wish you well in your march travels! fuck the boys and make sure i hear them scream... all the way from toronto! bwahhaaha

[Paris-Montreal]

ok goood i just whant to make sure im not talkng about anybody in particular ...have a good night babe tanks for the comment xoxoxo

[Tia Phoenixx]

However i must point out to any youngsters listening that if you go to university and get a good career it is possible to make way more money than being an escort. And that's a fact kiddies.

Good post. I agree

Besides, (Unless if you are good physically, mentally and intellectually as an escort) a normal life actually is much rewarding than escort's life.

[alyssa1]

SO THIS MY FIRST RANT IN THE FORUM! LIKE A FUCKIN RANT!

So if you havent noticed. Evana is a very good friend of mine!
I can say she is probably my closest ts friend. Weve been through alot
and she helped me alot in this business since in the beginning. We had our up and downs but i can say she is a very good friend.

So anyways, she told me she is goin to Vancouver. So i decided to announce her arrival in vancouver t4m craiglist and even here in the forum. Some of the boys here have welcome her but someone in craigslist or in vancouver didnt!

SOMEONE IN VANCOUVER FLAGGED DOWN HER AD FOR REMOVAL!
SOOO im not goin going to assume. OK FUCK THAT! I WILL!>
Im pretty sure its one of the girls in vancouver who flagged it down!
We encountered bitter girls before and we even witness girls bashing each other in the vancouver craigslist!.

I myself experience this at my first visit in vancouver when someone posted an ad about me.
Claiming that me and asian Lucy (of vancouver) are the same person! Just because me and her have the same hair
and almost the same looking shoes.

Somone dares to fuckin ruin my name.. ON MY FIRST VISIT! Ive never, ever experience any bashing or shit talk
in toronto cl! ( THIS GOES OUT TO MY TORONTO GIRLS! MUCH LOVE TO YOU BTW!)

I understand everyone has to eat, but if you dont like a certain girl!
FUCK! TELL US WHATS YOUR FUCKIN PROBLEM WITH US!DONT FUCKIN HIDE BEHIND FLAGGED DOWNS LIKE A FUCKIN PUSSY!

I MYSELF HAS UNFINSHED BUSINESS WITH ANOTHER TS IN VANCOUVER WHOM IM NOT GONNA MENTION CUZ ITS PERSONAL ISSUE!
I MADE A VERY BAD CHOICE AND STILL WORKING FOR THE MISTAKE I PUT UPON HER! BUT THATS NO REASON TO PREVENT SOMEONE FROM EATING!

SO, THIS GOOES OUT TO WHOEVER FLAGGED HER AD DOWN!
BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET THE FUCK OVER IT!



PS. im very sorry forum for my language at this post! As you realized i try to be at peace and nice to everyone.
BUT IM NOT GONNA LET ANYONE, AND I MEAN ANYONE PUT ANY OF MY FRIENDS DOWN!

Im sorry to hear that...i guess a heads up for me when i come to vancouver to visit...

[Rockheart]

Good post. I agree

Besides, (Unless if you are good physically, mentally and intellectually as an escort) a normal life actually is much rewarding than escort's life.

No matter how good and stable you are as an escort you will probably never get 30 or 40 years of solid employment as you will in a good career.
You will not pay into cpp or ui
You will not amass a pension (unless self imposed)
You will not get medical and dental benefits.
You will not get 3 or more weeks paid vacation or sick days.
Not to mention the possibility of a good government job with Designated Days off.
Plus, you get to have sex with people you want to.
Unless ur a dork like me.


Stay in school children.

In the words of Eminem:
This is for children who break rules
People that straight fool
And every single teenager that hates school
Fuck Off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp3kFdZZFwM