What have you done to Ontario?

[maddplotter]

Hello...the ?ugly? one speaking. Thanks Mad...you sweet man you! I am joking I am sure you did not mean it the way it sounded..lol

Thanks
Tasha

Oh definitely, I did not want to imply that you are the ugly one. You are one hot chicky. I sometimes forget that I have one of Mandy Goodhandy's dvd with you in it. I got to find that dvd again, it's buried under my mountain of stuff.

I found your story of the regular client quite eye opening. Do you think that in time he will realize what he has lost? And would you take him back professionally?

[Tasha Jones RIP]

Mad, I know you did not mean anything by it. Sometimes when writing we use terms/words that are meant one way but can come across anther. I try not to take things to heart...to much *wink*

I will never see him again no, or the others for that matter. I know this is a business and guys are paying me for my services. But as I stated, I try to go above and beyond & try and make it more personal. Sharing my life with them and listening to there issues. That for me is huge! I shared personal details of my life and took time of out my day to try and help with there issues when they needed a ear to listen to and give advice. But once that trust is broken and my respect for that person is lost, it is very hard to get it back.

They really showed disrespect to me & themselves. Who’s to say all this time I thought there was more that they viewed me as nothing more then a hooker for them to get off with. Took advantage of my kindness towards them. As well, to allow someone to say those things about me and not defend me when they know what she said was lies. That is just not someone I wish to have in my life.

If I took them back it would only be based on money. I would be compromising my morals and my beliefs in myself. I know am an escort and I understand that there are clients I will only see for the hour and that is it. But for me, with these guys, I thought it was more about respect then a client/escort relationship. I have to much respect for myself to lower myself to live my life based on money. I have said it in my ads for years “Money is not everything in life” Saying it is not just a good marketing tool, for me it is the truth and something I live by in business and in my personal life.

Tasha

[dan_calgary]

sorry hot girl

dan how long do i have to wait till yopui fuck me?this is getting crazzzzzzy

I'm sorry Lisa, been at fanexpo sat & sun, can't get away from the people i'm with, I leave monday, i'm trying, but doubt if I will get out to Brantford this trip,

I'm sorry, really i am

will get their soon, promise.

[maddplotter]

I'm sorry Lisa, been at fanexpo sat & sun, can't get away from the people i'm with, I leave monday, i'm trying, but doubt if I will get out to Brantford this trip,

I'm sorry, really i am

will get their soon, promise.

Maybe Lisa should go to Fanexpo, then u and her could hook up in the washroom or some other predesignated area. *wink wink

It'll work, she can dress up really sexy and when people ask what character she is, "Oh, I am a tranny hooker from some obscure Japanese manga called Brantfordopolis".

[tslisaparadise]

I'm sorry Lisa, been at fanexpo sat & sun, can't get away from the people i'm with, I leave monday, i'm trying, but doubt if I will get out to Brantford this trip,

I'm sorry, really i am

will get their soon, promise.

im teasin i was at the all day and im beat

[cliff]

To the Original Poster - Well, if you don't like the rates, you could always get a regular job.

BTW, a good job pays about $20.00 an hour or so.

How's that compare to $150 for a half hour.

[cliff]

Here's a reality check....

In Toronto, the "Median Male Income" is about $51,235 a year.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/sto...to-census.html

That translates to about $25.00 an hour.

Now take off taxes, all the blah blah blah and you're left with maybe $16.00 an hour.

Now do all the math in terms of what bills need to be paid BEFORE one considers seeing sex workers. Now add in recession, under employment, down markets, insecurity, you name it.
It doesn't leave a lot of spare money (if any). At $250, your average guy needs to work about 2 full days to be able to afford to see a tgirl sex worker who figures that she is worth $250 an hour.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the vast majority of males (even if they were interested in seeing a tgirl escort) simply can't afford it.



Let's take this even further....(math can be such a bitch can't it)

Of the Canadian poplulation, only 6% earn more than 100 grand a year.

http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recen...563/p5-eng.cfm

Assuming that a great many of these are female, you're probably looking at about 4% of the Canadian male population earning 100 k a year or more. Now even those guys have demands on their money, AND, how many of them are interested in seeing shemale escorts? How many have the cash available?

Change that to those earning $150k a year and you're numbers are even less.

Simply put, $300.00 an hour is too expensive given the income realities that exist in Canadian society for the vast number of people. (Assuming that one prioritizes a decent place to live, food, health above seeing shemale escorts.)

[cliff]

Here's a final reality check....

David Miller is the Mayor of the City of Toronto. He is a Harvard University educated Lawyer.

He earns about $170,00 a year, or about $80.73 an hour. And he's the Mayor of a city of 3 million people and has 55,000 people working for him at the City of Toronto.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/toron...84256-sun.html

$300.00 an hour (tax free) seems a little bit nuts now doesn't it?

[tslisaparadise]

Here's a final reality check....

David Miller is the Mayor of the City of Toronto. He is a Harvard University educated Lawyer.

He earns about $170,00 a year, or about $80.73 an hour. And he's the Mayor of a city of 3 million people and has 55,000 people working for him at the City of Toronto.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/toron...84256-sun.html

$300.00 an hour (tax free) seems a little bit nuts now doesn't it?

i can assure you that anybody charging over 200 aint worth the money period its like working in a real job where the more money ya make the less work you do its sounds silly but its actually true.

[sensual_lover20]

Cliff, very good points but you did not consider one thing. Most people do not see these girls weekly, not even monthly. Possibly a quarterly event which makes matters more feasible for them to get clients. For consistent repeats that person is either very wealthy or not paying for their other essentials. In that case they have an expensive sex addition similar to smoking and alcohol and should be treated.

There were debates that went at length on the costs for SPs. Here is my rationalization of the matters. We argue the rates are unfair because of Cliff's arguments above, that job was their own choice.

What SPs fail to understand is while you invest in yourselves which is why you charge certain rates and feel you are worth that value, us clients have also done similar. I have went to University (not a requirement for an escort but seems Sunshine and Tasha are) which costs nearly $6,000 annually including books for each year. I was lucky to have a middle class family and generous scholarship to cover this, but many do not. Second, many pursue a professional designation or qualification of some sort. For example pursuing a Masters in Taxation and a Chartered Accountant designation. The cost to write the exams, time off and courses for all of this likely approximates aroud $60,000 conservatively. I begin working in lower paying jobs and eventually move up to that higher level of pay which will equate that of a higher end escort. In addition, I must pay annual due fees and have to take a minimum amount of professional development courses until my career comes a retirement. It also takes significant years to get this education (usually around 6-10 years) where the SPs can be making full income at this point. Again, we have yet to consider tax implications. SPs have access to free health care and testing, assuming they are Canadian citizens, yet are likely not paying their share for this.

A SPs investment in herself is far less expensive than developing a quality education. It does not take much costs (one time upfront costs for say breast implants, advertisements if any, some minor reconstructions - mind you paying too much will make you look like a clown as opposed to a true feminine female) and education on sex to obtain breasts. A decision to live life full time as a women is a personal choice and should not be included on your prices to escort as you would have done this otherwise unless you are just a CD. Speaking politely to your clients, being clean and providing a good service does not mean that you are entitled to a certain pay but maintaining the quality name of your profession. If you were all disease ridden women, dignified and clean persons would not use your services and lose confidence in others. It also brings repeat business by providing a good service, if you could say this was truly a competitive advantage then I would justify a higher rate but is not the case. Many of our fine SPs are nice, polite and among other things consummate professionals which is why I do not see this as justifiable from personal experiences.

An escorts career can easily go up to 30 years and even beyond if they are well preserved, crafty and some other factors play a role. Similarily other careers have a lifespan and could be even shorter if you decide to change professions, bodily harm has caused you to prevent from practicing in your current capacity and a myriad of other reasons.

A comparative can possibly be made for investment bankers, who work insane hours for ten years and burnout which is why they make what they make. Again, they needed significant economic measures to get to this with time and most difficult attained that position.

Escorts have this significant risk of disease or bodily harm, however, this can be easily mitigated with controls such as proper screening and condoms. Similarily other professions can do this to their own extent.

My conclusion, I think Tasha makes very fair rates. Between $120-200 is worth their time in local rates, with an allowage of $50 incrementally for those who are travelling to cover their plane costs. If they see 20 clients and charge 50 dollars above to their normal rate, then this should cover plane costs. The hotel cost is an irrelevant cost since you would have to pay for a place to stay regardless of where you go and should accordingly be treated as a discretionary cost. Those who charge less than my range should be deemed devious and likely troublesome. Those who charge more than my range should reconsider their thoughts. We are arguing the concept of reasonableness and I willing to accept that range based on my arguments and personal opinions/experiences. I will argue this at length.

[tslisaparadise]

Cliff, very good points but you did not consider one thing. Most people do not see these girls weekly, not even monthly. Possibly a quarterly event which makes matters more feasible for them to get clients. For consistent repeats that person is either very wealthy or not paying for their other essentials. In that case they have an expensive sex addition similar to smoking and alcohol and should be treated.

There were debates that went at length on the costs for SPs. Here is my rationalization of the matters. We argue the rates are unfair because of Cliff's arguments above, that job was their own choice.

What SPs fail to understand is while you invest in yourselves which is why you charge certain rates and feel you are worth that value, us clients have also done similar. I have went to University (not a requirement for an escort but seems Sunshine and Tasha are) which costs nearly $6,000 annually including books for each year. I was lucky to have a middle class family and generous scholarship to cover this, but many do not. Second, many pursue a professional designation or qualification of some sort. For example pursuing a Masters in Taxation and a Chartered Accountant designation. The cost to write the exams, time off and courses for all of this likely approximates aroud $60,000 conservatively. I begin working in lower paying jobs and eventually move up to that higher level of pay which will equate that of a higher end escort. In addition, I must pay annual due fees and have to take a minimum amount of professional development courses until my career comes a retirement. It also takes significant years to get this education (usually around 6-10 years) where the SPs can be making full income at this point. Again, we have yet to consider tax implications. SPs have access to free health care and testing, assuming they are Canadian citizens, yet are likely not paying their share for this.

A SPs investment in herself is far less expensive than developing a quality education. It does not take much costs (one time upfront costs for say breast implants, advertisements if any, some minor reconstructions - mind you paying too much will make you look like a clown as opposed to a true feminine female) and education on sex to obtain breasts. A decision to live life full time as a women is a personal choice and should not be included on your prices to escort as you would have done this otherwise unless you are just a CD. Speaking politely to your clients, being clean and providing a good service does not mean that you are entitled to a certain pay but maintaining the quality name of your profession. If you were all disease ridden women, dignified and clean persons would not use your services and lose confidence in others. It also brings repeat business by providing a good service, if you could say this was truly a competitive advantage then I would justify a higher rate but is not the case. Many of our fine SPs are nice, polite and among other things consummate professionals which is why I do not see this as justifiable from personal experiences.

An escorts career can easily go up to 30 years and even beyond if they are well preserved, crafty and some other factors play a role. Similarily other careers have a lifespan and could be even shorter if you decide to change professions, bodily harm has caused you to prevent from practicing in your current capacity and a myriad of other reasons.

A comparative can possibly be made for investment bankers, who work insane hours for ten years and burnout which is why they make what they make. Again, they needed significant economic measures to get to this with time and most difficult attained that position.

Escorts have this significant risk of disease or bodily harm, however, this can be easily mitigated with controls such as proper screening and condoms. Similarily other professions can do this to their own extent.

My conclusion, I think Tasha makes very fair rates. Between $120-200 is worth their time in local rates, with an allowage of $50 incrementally for those who are travelling to cover their plane costs. If they see 20 clients and charge 50 dollars above to their normal rate, then this should cover plane costs. The hotel cost is an irrelevant cost since you would have to pay for a place to stay regardless of where you go and should accordingly be treated as a discretionary cost. Those who charge less than my range should be deemed devious and likely troublesome. Those who charge more than my range should reconsider their thoughts. We are arguing the concept of reasonableness and I willing to accept that range based on my arguments and personal opinions/experiences. I will argue this at length.

60 000 is just over half of what if paid so far and i know alot of others who have paid over 100 gs easily although i realize that most usually spend around 30 grand the not so lucky aka myself have tripled that cost.

[sensual_lover20]

Thanks Lisa and we can tell from all of your transitioning that it has paid well. Does sound costly, would be scared to know all the surgeries you have had for $180,000. Must be dangerous to be under a knife too much.

However, Lisa estimates for the lucky ones it is about $30,000. I will accept this value. I am not including make up as many women (gg and tg) purchase this as their regular appearance maintenance, but hormones is acceptable. It also very common for women to get breast augumentation and botox/silicone injections these days.

[tslisaparadise]

Thanks Lisa and we can tell from all of your transitioning that it has paid well. Does sound costly, would be scared to know all the surgeries you have had for $180,000. Must be dangerous to be under a knife too much.

However, Lisa estimates for the lucky ones it is about $30,000. I will accept this value. I am not including make up as many women (gg and tg) purchase this as their regular appearance maintenance, but hormones is acceptable. It also very common for women to get breast augumentation and botox/silicone injections these days.

180 000 ya read it wrong silly i meant 3 times 30 000 lol sorry

[huge99999]

Cliff, very good points but you did not consider one thing. Most people do not see these girls weekly, not even monthly. Possibly a quarterly event which makes matters more feasible for them to get clients. For consistent repeats that person is either very wealthy or not paying for their other essentials. In that case they have an expensive sex addition similar to smoking and alcohol and should be treated.

There were debates that went at length on the costs for SPs. Here is my rationalization of the matters. We argue the rates are unfair because of Cliff's arguments above, that job was their own choice.

What SPs fail to understand is while you invest in yourselves which is why you charge certain rates and feel you are worth that value, us clients have also done similar. I have went to University (not a requirement for an escort but seems Sunshine and Tasha are) which costs nearly $6,000 annually including books for each year. I was lucky to have a middle class family and generous scholarship to cover this, but many do not. Second, many pursue a professional designation or qualification of some sort. For example pursuing a Masters in Taxation and a Chartered Accountant designation. The cost to write the exams, time off and courses for all of this likely approximates aroud $60,000 conservatively. I begin working in lower paying jobs and eventually move up to that higher level of pay which will equate that of a higher end escort. In addition, I must pay annual due fees and have to take a minimum amount of professional development courses until my career comes a retirement. It also takes significant years to get this education (usually around 6-10 years) where the SPs can be making full income at this point. Again, we have yet to consider tax implications. SPs have access to free health care and testing, assuming they are Canadian citizens, yet are likely not paying their share for this.

A SPs investment in herself is far less expensive than developing a quality education. It does not take much costs (one time upfront costs for say breast implants, advertisements if any, some minor reconstructions - mind you paying too much will make you look like a clown as opposed to a true feminine female) and education on sex to obtain breasts. A decision to live life full time as a women is a personal choice and should not be included on your prices to escort as you would have done this otherwise unless you are just a CD. Speaking politely to your clients, being clean and providing a good service does not mean that you are entitled to a certain pay but maintaining the quality name of your profession. If you were all disease ridden women, dignified and clean persons would not use your services and lose confidence in others. It also brings repeat business by providing a good service, if you could say this was truly a competitive advantage then I would justify a higher rate but is not the case. Many of our fine SPs are nice, polite and among other things consummate professionals which is why I do not see this as justifiable from personal experiences.

An escorts career can easily go up to 30 years and even beyond if they are well preserved, crafty and some other factors play a role. Similarily other careers have a lifespan and could be even shorter if you decide to change professions, bodily harm has caused you to prevent from practicing in your current capacity and a myriad of other reasons.

A comparative can possibly be made for investment bankers, who work insane hours for ten years and burnout which is why they make what they make. Again, they needed significant economic measures to get to this with time and most difficult attained that position.

Escorts have this significant risk of disease or bodily harm, however, this can be easily mitigated with controls such as proper screening and condoms. Similarily other professions can do this to their own extent.

My conclusion, I think Tasha makes very fair rates. Between $120-200 is worth their time in local rates, with an allowage of $50 incrementally for those who are travelling to cover their plane costs. If they see 20 clients and charge 50 dollars above to their normal rate, then this should cover plane costs. The hotel cost is an irrelevant cost since you would have to pay for a place to stay regardless of where you go and should accordingly be treated as a discretionary cost. Those who charge less than my range should be deemed devious and likely troublesome. Those who charge more than my range should reconsider their thoughts. We are arguing the concept of reasonableness and I willing to accept that range based on my arguments and personal opinions/experiences. I will argue this at length.

This isn`t Cuba...they will charge what ever they want to charge. You can argue all you want too. If they charge what they want and I want to pay that amount we will do it and it is none of your business. I don`t care what your expenses are and I don`t care what you think their expenses are, it just isn`t any of your business.

[Andrew69]

Not many service providers have spent $180k on surgery. As far as expenses go, you can book a great hotel on hotwire for between $60 and $80 per night.

As someone pointed out many of us spend lots of money on our careers. For a start an undergraduate degree is four years, $6k for tuition, then there are books, transportation, living costs, rent, clothes, food etc. If you want A's to get into graduate school you can't afford to work during the school year, so you amass serious debt. Most of us are $40k plus in debt when we have finished our undergraduate degree. I know I did, despite the fact I worked every summer.

Then there is the cost of the MBA program I took $56k just for tuition, again two years of time, plus the cost of rent, food, transportation etc.

So after I graduated from my MBA I was approximately $130k in debt. When I got my first job it paid $60k in Toronto. I wasn't shopping at Holts or staying at $400 per night hotels.

The problem is many SP's have over valued what they think they are worth, and the lifestyle they think they are entitled to.

Now like any product or service there will always be exceptional providers who can command top dollar for their services. However most will fall in the average category, like any product or service.

In Ontario we have competition, competition drives down prices.

I don't mean to insult anyone, this is just my 2cents.