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    This past week there was another suicide of a 13 year old boy who was teased to no end and bullied by classmates. He took his own life by shooting himself. His parents had put in formal complaints with his school with no luck. His school has since released quotes through the media stating that it was never brought to their attention that this was happening. It is so devestating to see things such as this occur. We even have our own members on here who bully people. I have even done this. I just recently recieved a msg from another girl on here this week who might I add is praised by members and she told me to kill myself and that it would make everyone happy if I had done this. Regardless this is the open letter Dave has sent out. I think it truly shows what a great person he actually is for taking the time to address this to everyone in our community.



    "Ok everybody, here is the deal. I cannot imagine what it?s like growing up in a close minded environment and being gay, bi or trans-gender. I don?t think any of us who aren?t can possibly imagine. The strength and character it must take to stay true to yourself in such an unforgiving microcosm are qualities that a major portion of the world lacks? Sad, but true. It?s just how it is at the moment. However, it?s that very strength and character that gives the world hope for a new way of thinking and acceptance in the future and when one of our children gives in and gives up, it is not only a tragedy but a victory for those who fear diversity. DO NOT LET THEM WIN! I know how overwhelming the feelings can get and how small the reality can feel, but the bottom line is that this is but a drop in the bucket in terms of the magnitude of life. You can get through this. High school is full of plenty of bullies and fear based hate, as is the world. With any group of people comes a percentage of people who just don?t get it and probably will never get it. That?s OK. We all deal with this to an extent. The truth is that in High School, you are kind of stuck in the group you are a part of until graduation, but trust me? You can pick and choose who you associate with and there are plenty of like-minded people in the world that are understanding, accepting and loving. Sometimes, we just have to stick it out to meet them. The hard cold reality is that once you have chosen suicide, that?s it. No going back. Sure, there is a public outcry and MAYBE the bullies feel remorse for a while, but it all dies down, life goes on, the bullies let the memory fade and get on with their lives. They learn to laugh, love, reach their goals and in many cases go on to have a full and productive life. Who loses? You do! Your family! Your friends! Other teens who need support in this area! Oh yeah? We all Lose! Now the world has one less mind that is open and different and unique and sensitive. Instead, we inherit the bullies, the fear, the set back? Our world has one less soul to help it evolve with a new level of clarity. Personally, I have seen a lot of darkness and tragedy that has felt insurmountable. The murder of my mother, my battle with drug addiction, the loss of friends and family. Utter depression and despair. Of course the thought of suicide has crossed my mind a time or two. Let me share this. THANK GOD I never took that action. The friends I have made, the experiences I have had, the laughter I have shared would have all been missed. In hindsight, some of my darkest moments now seem so small and insignificant that I am amazed I gave them so much power at the time. I am even able to laugh about it now. When I think back to the times I have considered ending it all I end up saying to myself, ?What was I thinking?? To those of you contemplating such a course, please do us a favor. Seek counseling first. Find a network of people who have gone through what you are going through. Help others in even more turmoil than you. I am certain that you can find peace. As you know, our society and political climate is SO divided right now. We need your voice. The world at large needs your sheer existence in order to come to terms with itself and where we are going as a planet and species."

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    Two thumbs up Dave! One of the rock stars I would most like to hang with and who doesn't love Jane's Addiction...

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    • #3
      At what point are we ever going to demand that bullied people stand up for themselves? Instead we get parents, school teachers, police officers etc to fight our battles for us. The traits in these people still exist and they will be bullied at a future date because those traits remain. If you are bullied as a child, you will be bullied as an adolescent, then as an adult. The bullying will take different forms but you will always be a victim because you've never learned to stand up for yourself. There is only so long where you can let somebody else fight your battles.

      I'm sure a number of us got bullied in our youths. Some of us stood up to our bullies while others bent over and took it. One of the best moments of my childhood was when I was sitting in the emerg dept at Scarborough General Hospital. I had a broken hand and needed a shot because my bully's tooth had pierced the skin of my knuckle. When my dad leaned over and quietly said how proud he was of me, I cannot remember a time in my life when I felt so great. My bully had 30lbs and a few years on me and got knocked into tomorrow. Not that I am advocating physical volence, but that is what worked in my situation.

      I'm not going to sugar coat it, suicide is the cowards way out. It is a selfish act that creates far more victims than the one who is dead. The families and friends who are left behind to pick up the pieces because one selfish person chose to inflict the same pain they suffered from. If you are bullied it is because you've allowed it to happen. If you choose the cowards way out and kill yourself, I'm not going to shed a tear. The answer to your pain is to create that same pain in those who love you the most? I'll give my sympathy to your family as they are the true victims.

      As friends, families, employers, co-workers, etc of people being bullied we do have a responsibility to support them. But it is their job to deal with it, not ours. Occasionally it is appropriate to temporarily step in to diffuse a situation, but if this is done too many times it becomes counter productive.

      If you want to give yourself the greatest gift ever, knock your bully on their asses (figuratively speaking of course).

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tommygun View Post
        suicide is the cowards way out. It is a selfish act that creates far more victims than the one who is dead. The families and friends who are left behind to pick up the pieces because one selfish person chose to inflict the same pain they suffered from. If you are bullied it is because you've allowed it to happen. If you choose the cowards way out and kill yourself, I'm not going to shed a tear. The answer to your pain is to create that same pain in those who love you the most? I'll give my sympathy to your family as they are the true victims.
        I was really hoping to read something that would have moved me but your response was so disgusting and selfish. I am sorry but suicide is a very personal thing. Some people just cannot handle the pressures this world has to offer them. I myself know people who have taken their own lives. I by no means am mad at these people for doing this or imposing their anguish on me. It takes so much strength in a person to just end it all. Personally I think the cowards way out is physically harming someone to suit your own selfish needs. I believe by your actions you made yourself the bully instead of the bullied. Just me saying from my own personal stand point and experience with the matter.

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        • #5
          As someone who tried suicide and failed and has to live with the failure daily (that would be the quad part of my screen name), I concur 100% with TommyGun.

          Like it or not, I was being selfish and my actions only served my own interests. Was I depressed? Yes. Was it my fault that instead of dealing with it I was a coward? Yes.

          My view is that we've become a society that too easily will blame others rather than taking any responsibility for our own actions. People will gain so much more self-esteem and self-worth when they strike back. I'm sure the pain of Tommy's broken hand was more than made up from the pride he took back for himself.

          As for Navarro, I still think he's mostly a self-absorbed little prick but good on 'em for writing the letter.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Clone 0101 View Post
            I was really hoping to read something that would have moved me but your response was so disgusting and selfish. I am sorry but suicide is a very personal thing. Some people just cannot handle the pressures this world has to offer them. I myself know people who have taken their own lives. I by no means am mad at these people for doing this or imposing their anguish on me. It takes so much strength in a person to just end it all. Personally I think the cowards way out is physically harming someone to suit your own selfish needs. I believe by your actions you made yourself the bully instead of the bullied. Just me saying from my own personal stand point and experience with the matter.
            I've dealt with people, personally and professionally, who have taken their own lives too. I've been there to help clean up the mess that the suicide caused. Suicide is simply a way out. It's running away from your problems, instead of dealing with them. It ends the problem of one person, and creates a list of problems for the people who are left behind to pick up the pieces. It takes strength to stick it out and face your problems. It doesn't take strength to kill yourself.

            When I was a medic in the army we did ambulance calls as part of our training. One call I did was for a guy who had hung himself in his living room. His wife came home from a doctors appointment, with their 3 young children, to find him hanging. A widow and 3 fatherless children. I'm struggling to see how this was a strong individual. How many years will his kids struggle to figure out what happened. Kids blame themselves when their parents get divorced, how much blame do you think they carry when a parent kills themself?

            I agree with your statement that the cowards way out is to hurt somebody else to suit your needs. That is what suicide is. The people who succeed are not around to deal with the hurt and trauma that they have created in their loved ones. Is it deliberate, no. It's pain caused because one person is so self-absorbed that they can't see what the ramifications of their behavior will be. It doesn't solve problems. It creates them for people who didn't do anything to warrant them in the first place.

            I don't feel sorry for gangbangers who shoot and kill each other. I don't feel sorry for a drunk driver that runs into a pole at 80kph without a seatbelt. I don't feel sorry for people who think the better option is suicide. I feel for those who actually deserve it; their loved ones who have been dragged into it to clean up the mess that was created by an individual not around to offer explanations.

            If not feeling sorry for people who cause others pain makes me a bully, well you are entitled to your opinion.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tommygun View Post
              I've dealt with people, personally and professionally, who have taken their own lives too. I've been there to help clean up the mess that the suicide caused. Suicide is simply a way out. It's running away from your problems, instead of dealing with them. It ends the problem of one person, and creates a list of problems for the people who are left behind to pick up the pieces. It takes strength to stick it out and face your problems. It doesn't take strength to kill yourself.

              When I was a medic in the army we did ambulance calls as part of our training. One call I did was for a guy who had hung himself in his living room. His wife came home from a doctors appointment, with their 3 young children, to find him hanging. A widow and 3 fatherless children. I'm struggling to see how this was a strong individual. How many years will his kids struggle to figure out what happened. Kids blame themselves when their parents get divorced, how much blame do you think they carry when a parent kills themself?

              I agree with your statement that the cowards way out is to hurt somebody else to suit your needs. That is what suicide is. The people who succeed are not around to deal with the hurt and trauma that they have created in their loved ones. Is it deliberate, no. It's pain caused because one person is so self-absorbed that they can't see what the ramifications of their behavior will be. It doesn't solve problems. It creates them for people who didn't do anything to warrant them in the first place.

              I don't feel sorry for gangbangers who shoot and kill each other. I don't feel sorry for a drunk driver that runs into a pole at 80kph without a seatbelt. I don't feel sorry for people who think the better option is suicide. I feel for those who actually deserve it; their loved ones who have been dragged into it to clean up the mess that was created by an individual not around to offer explanations.

              If not feeling sorry for people who cause others pain makes me a bully, well you are entitled to your opinion.

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              • #8
                Clone is my all time fave shemale....muah!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Clone 0101 View Post
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                  Sorry for not telling you what you wanted to hear. Not sure why you bothered to engage in a discussion in the first place.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tommygun View Post
                    Sorry for not telling you what you wanted to hear. Not sure why you bothered to engage in a discussion in the first place.
                    Somebody need to change their pad?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Clone 0101 View Post
                      Somebody need to change their pad?
                      Care to try an insult you didn't learn in the 7th grade?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tommygun View Post
                        Care to try an insult you didn't learn in the 7th grade?

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