Ladies, don't you think discrimination should be banned?

[Guest]

Babe, Hollywood isn't one single organization, Like YOU want us to believe. The word Hollywood, (even though an actual place) is used as a moniker to describe the entire US movie industry.

I can ensure you 'they' have no agenda to negatively portray TG people.

The way groups file class-actions nowadays, "Hollywood' actually goes out of their way to not negatively depict ANY type of minority group in a negative or stereotypical way..

I dont believe your claim that 'Hollywood' is hurting TG people by showing in them a negative light.

Just because 2 guys dress up in women's clothing, and lose a contest because they dressed up in women's clothing- isnt a negative portrayal of TG people.

.

Hi greep,

You can't assure me of anything as far as how the media works, so don't try ensuring me.

Look at the other clips you dodo bird. The Flinstone's clip could stand all on it's own when saying they make Fred and Barney look like frauds. Technically, Fred and Barney could of hired two actresses to play the roles of their wives in the cooking contest. It could have been JUST as funny.
BUT NO, they had to take the low road to draw attention to what society claims transsexuals still do, 50 years later, and that is to say that we are men who merely "pretend" to be women. And no one wants that on the job force.

Why is there never a tranny who discovers the cure for a disease or goes to the moon, or becomes SUPER famous? Oh yea, we're not allowed.
Ya yea Ru Paul was one, but Ru Paul was not some Mega super star like Lady GaGa, Madonna, or whoever. Society doesn't allow for that. And yes i know Ru Paul was the cover girl for some make up line or some fashion magazine, i know all that.
No really famous, sexy, movie stars! There are a few on screen, yes - but i doubt a sex symbol, and you know how trannys could never be considered sex symbols, right? Of course not, "there so manly and ugly."
That's why we are ridiculed all throughout the years. Television says so.

Babe,
xoxo

[greep]

Hi greep,

You can't assure me of anything as far as how the media works, so don't try ensuring me.

Look at the other clips you dodo bird. The Flinstone's clip could stand all on it's own when saying they make Fred and Barney look like frauds. Technically, Fred and Barney could of hired two actresses to play the roles of their wives in the cooking contest. It could have been JUST as funny.
BUT NO, they had to take the low road to draw attention to what society claims transsexuals still do, 50 years later, and that is to say that we are men who merely "pretend" to be women. And no one wants that on the job force.

Why is there never a tranny who discovers the cure for a disease or goes to the moon, or becomes SUPER famous? Oh yea, we're not allowed.
Ya yea Ru Paul was one, but Ru Paul was not some Mega super star like Lady GaGa, Madonna, or whoever. Society doesn't allow for that. And yes i know Ru Paul was the cover girl for some make up line or some fashion magazine, i know all that.
No really famous, sexy, movie stars! There are a few on screen, yes - but i doubt a sex symbol, and you know how trannys could never be considered sex symbols, right? Of course not, "there so manly and ugly."
That's why we are ridiculed all throughout the years. Television says so.

Babe,
xoxo

Babe, Judging by the lack of input and silence by other TGirls to this thread, I think most TG's probably disagree with you (mostly, anyways).


.

[greep]

Overall, Babe, I think your concerns are are coming from an honest place, and have some merit, But, the way transgendered people conduct themselves in real life, influences and shapes peoples views of them way more than what we get from TV.

Anyone else agree with me on this?


.

[unreachableone]

I would have been very disappointed in Mark, if that was true. Nice to see him alter the lyric in concert,though. BTW, you know what he usually sings in concert in place of Faggot: Queenie.

When I saw Knopfler at the Molson Amphitheatre in 2005, he used the word 'mother'. "That little mother, he's millionaire."

Amazing concert btw, his guitar playing put me into an actual state of euphoria.

[Alexis]

The idea of a "man in a dress" is how Hollywood portrays transsexuals. They are teaching our kids (the future generation), in cartoons like this, that a tranny is just a man dressed as a woman. And an ugly one at that. No one loves them, they make it look like.

Sure, many trannys are good looking, but ask why are so many of them NOT ABLE to find normal work? Why are all trannys looked at as freaks, not worthy of respect or dignity?
Hollywood controls movies and televison content.

I think that sort of tranny bashing should be banned because it creates a transphobic environment for transsexual EVERYWHERE. And Hollywood reinforces the transphobia by teaching young children, in cartoons, about us in a negative light.

They made Dire Straights remove the "little faggot" lyric in the song "Money For Nothing" because it demeans homosexuals.
And you will tell me and the board that it's okay to protect gays' images but not transsexuals' images?

It's not just this cartoon, there are many teaching kids that we are ugly, that we are accepted into society only so long as we can be called names and be misrepresented.

I say, if gays can be respected, so can we.

Umm.. That time of the month ? ?

I thought it was funny.. I like Madagascar..

sorry..

[Guest]

A comment? Hmm. Or a cartoon review?

Umm.. That time of the month ? ?

I thought it was funny.. I like Madagascar..

sorry..

Hi Alexis,
You quoted all of that to simply review the cartoon and offer me a dig? Geez. I must be doing something wrong.

Uh...nice of you to drop in, really. Too bad you don't seem to understand where i am coming from.
I don't want to make you angry with my response.
But it seems by your usage of the word "sorry" to end your post that you try to indicate that i don't like the cartoon and you did like it.
I am not discussing that. I am discussing gender discrimination being used in a kids' cartoon, as well as, in the other clips i added to this thread.
People keep talking about how cute the furry, little critter is. It was cute! I am not debating that point.

Maybe you think that it's okay for transgenders in cartoons to be discriminated against for expressing their gender so long as the discriminators are cute, furry, little, animated animals?
I don't know, you tell me if that's a correct assessment of your input into this thread. I don't think you really think like that.

Don't get me wrong. I actually, thought that popping out of the cake scene was cute, too, well, until all the others acted disgusted when he said what he said and then asked his question.
Human writers write the scripts!! Discriminating bastards!
Cute, eh? They use cute, little cartoon characters to make sure we still feel discriminated against by teaching kids how to behave when someone 'comes out'.
A little here a little there, a little news story about some M→F TS joining an all female health spa, in Ontario last year, and then getting kicked out because she admitted to being a tranny. AND THEN, the same tranny tries to take the spa owner to court for damages and THEN she backs out of it after making the spa owner spend about 30K in legal fees and court costs. Just another story on the news to make us look like fraudsters. The cartoons with furry, little critters who discriminate against us makes it all right?

It all ties in together with sitcoms, cartoons and movies to form the public's image of us so that the ignorant public, who know nothing about us except what they see on the "silver screen", can be exposed to who "we really are?"

By the way, i loved that Madagascar, i laughed so hard all the way through it. One of the funniest cartoons i ever saw. The penguins were awesome.
I am NOT knocking the cartoon, itself, just the stab at transgenders. It sends a negative message.
You will honestly deny that it sends a negative message?

Did you think all the other clips in this thread were cute, too?
Ever wonder why it's so hard to get a normal job? Hmm? Maybe you already have a great job, i don't know. I've met some t-girls with impressive job titles.
But uh...look around...ever wonder why many of your TS friends can't find work other than sex work?
Must be because they are "one of those sick transsexuals" the employers see on television and in movies and cartoons and newspapers articles about how they cause trouble and stuff.

It's so hidden behind funny, cute cartoon images but the message SCREAMS discrimination. That can't be cute, girl - come on.

"That time of the month"?? Go out all month long, every day, with a couple of trans friends and apply for a few job interviews in the mainstream job market, not in the gay community. Jobs that you really you want to have. Maybe a job that you are really qualified to do.
Tell us if you all experience "a time of the month moment" when you get home humiliated and still jobless due to gender discrimination. If so, ask yourself why they discriminated against you - whether they do it silently by you NOT getting the job or even not getting the interview, or by them acting disgusted that you are a tranny asking for employment, chances are you won't get the job.

Love ya,
Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

Hmm.

Hi Discovilgilante,

...Its comedy darling. They certainly could have had a pretty lioness come out of the cake, but that aint funny. Some goofy cat that thinks he's sexy is funny.

It's okay for a lioness or a goofy looking cat to think it's sexy. That IS funny. However, if the character is expressing it's true gender and expresses it openly and everyone laughs at it or acts disgusted because of it, then THAT is what I am talking about. That is wrong. And that is what's been going on for a long time on TV and in the movies. Look at it. T-girls can't get work wherever they want, can't have name changes easily, they are forced into troublesome and dangerous situations like using a public washroom and risking having trouble in there.
And i hope dom_r doesn't chime in with one of his fantasy thoughts and say something dum_r like, 'Yea but once they smell the cum on her breath and they realize that there is a cock between her legs, everything will be alright.'
There's so many unnecessary challenges and hardships TS's must face JUST TO BE THEMSELVES and to be accepted in mainstream society like a normal person can do like a black person, or a disabled person, a Jewish person, a mentally challenged person, etc, etc, and etc.
Then they go home and see gender discrimination on the television. Oh great!
.
.
.
.

Yes, you have it!!! The media makes fun of trannys for profit! VERY GOOD!!
But that's ok with you? YOU think that's ok to do? So long as it make you laugh?

They form the opinions of millions of people who then treat us badly, and that's ok with you, because the television says it's ok to laugh at us?

What maddens me are the people who live by what the television says.

No, I do not think it is ok....

Is that progress i'm seeing? A light bulb moment, perhaps?

.
.

...We all have the responsibility to observe with a critical mind things that are presented to us, and even when the powers of hegemony are at work (which is all the time), every human being has the capacity to make moral and value judgments on the issues that will truly affect others....

And they make their “moral and value judgments on the issues...” of transsexuals based solely on what the television says to do about it.

.
.
.
.

...All categories of humanity feel the sting of ridicule....

Really? Hmm. I wonder what would happen if people with Cerebral Palsy were made fun of and laughed at on television. Maybe autistic people who just randomly murder their parents, Mutiple Scleroris sufferers with telepathic abilities who bring bad luck to any one who tries to get close to them, hey maybe even, conjoined twins that could argue and bicker back and forth about everyday stuff, and really exploit them, you know?... HILARIOUS, eh? Maybe we can laugh about people suffering with gender dysphoria, too, and make them the brunt of movies. We could even portray trannys as killers, kidnappers, spies, 100% head cases with severe brain problems.
Imagine, we could have a gang of armed bank robbers all with a severe birth defect or deformity - such entertainment. Can you imagine them hobbling like a pack of idiots into a bank like dumb apes with water pistols, speaking with sever speaking impediments? So funny, eh?
Just comedy, right? Heck, why not throw in a few blacks dressed up as beaten and whipped slaves? We could even have a few emaciated Jewish people with numbered tatoos on their wrists begging for money outside of the bank wearing Rolex watches. Such laughter there could be in this world if everyone had a sense of humor.
Out of all those HORRIBLE examples, the only HUMAN being that's been listed above that is still allowed to be discriminated against in this modern day society, is the transsexual.
.
.
.

...The question will always remain: is that ridicule designed for misrepresentation and subjugation or for provocation and service to a greater narrative? The ultimate responsibility to all is to guide the narratives towards positive inclusion for all, but that won't come about by saying no one is allowed to crossdess on TV and be funny....

It's okay for trannys to be on TV and to be funny. I never implied that they can't be funny.
What I am saying is that it's wrong to portray transgenders as freaks or diseased people, as jokes or sickos with head problems in a negative light.
Have you ever seen Flip Wilson do his Geraldine Jones bit? THAT is hilarious. That was comedy, well done. Not one his guests acted disgusted with Geraldine Jones no mater how flirty she got with them.

.

.
.
.

..To put it simply Babe, it is important not to sweat the little stuff or no one will ever find acceptance....

"The little stuff"??

Discrimination is not “little stuff”, sir.
How dare you even imply it!
.
.
.
.

...However, I do applaud your critical mind. It is a healthy feature. And that type of mental vigor is what spurns on postmodern thought towards altering the old ideologies where sex and gender were narrowly defined....

Thank you very much. And how do you like me now?

Babe,
xoxo

[maddplotter]

Hi incommunicado,

Thanks to my unsupportive family for instilling in me the idea that i was worthless because i quit school when i was 13 years old.
I am a pretty good guitarist, by the way.

Did you ever go back? Or get a GED?

[dom r]

The Flinstone's clip could stand all on it's own when saying they make Fred and Barney look like frauds. Technically, Fred and Barney could of hired two actresses to play the roles of their wives in the cooking contest. It could have been JUST as funny.
BUT NO, they had to take the low road to draw attention to what society claims transsexuals still do, 50 years later, and that is to say that we are men who merely "pretend" to be women.

Fred and Barney are men who were pretending to be women, but shemales are not men so therefore they are not pretending to be women, they are women with genitalia that differs from women who were born female. If anyone sees a shemale who has achieved the complete growth and appearane of a female except for the penis as a man, such people are PREDUJICE.

Why is there never a tranny who discovers the cure for a disease or goes to the moon, or becomes SUPER famous? Oh yea, we're not allowed.
Ya yea Ru Paul was one, but Ru Paul was not some Mega super star like Lady GaGa, Madonna, or whoever. Society doesn't allow for that. And yes i know Ru Paul was the cover girl for some make up line or some fashion magazine, i know all that.
No really famous, sexy, movie stars! There are a few on screen, yes - but i doubt a sex symbol, and you know how trannys could never be considered sex symbols, right? Of course not, "there so manly and ugly."
That's why we are ridiculed all throughout the years. Television says so.

AND why aren't there any transsexuals or long haired men who are news announcers on tv? Or are teachers, or priests, or I should say nuns(this applies to the shemales), or are doctors or physchologists or a bus driver or a manager of Mcdonalds or Burger King, and so on? Why?

BECAUSE of 1 word-
discrimination,
hatred,fear,predujice and cock haters.....errrrr thats 7 words.(although of the shemales who look exactly like women, they probably are hired on the spot to do the above jobs I mentioned because the bosses dont know they have a cock).

[Guest]

Yep, i did.

Yes. I went back when i was 21 because i tried to join the army, but couldn't because i dropped out so young.

When i got first there, i was writing without any punctuation hardly at all.
I used capital letters randomly just to have some variety within the text, you know, to make it sort of "look better".
I stayed for 9 months, then went back to work. So, i didn't finish at that time.

I left for several years, and when i returned, i was so top of my class that many of my teachers asked me what i was doing in adult ed, saying that i should be in university.

I told them that "adult education was the basic requirement and it was free. Going to university would mean i would have to quit the adult ed and go work."
I would never have had been able to have had earned enough money to pay for university with the jobs i would have had, living on my own, at that time.

Thanks,
Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

I bet she doesn't get insulted much.

Hi,

Now, here's a TS role model.

Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

A TS role model.

Amanda Simpson

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Amanda Renae Simpson
US Dept. Commerce Photo Born March 26, 1961(1961-03-26)
Chicago, Illinois Occupation Senior Technical Adviser, US Dept. Of Commerce Known for First openly transgender US political appointee Amanda Simpson (born 1961) is the Senior Technical Adviser to the Department of Commerce, appointed by the Obama Administration.[1][2][3] She is the first openly transgender woman political appointee in any administration.[4][5] Simpson works in the Bureau of Industry and Security.
Contents

[hide]

• 1 Education
• 2 Flying
• 3 Aerospace Career
• 4 Political Career
• 5 Electoral history
• 6 Non Profit Board Service
• 7 Recognition
• 8 References

[edit] Education

Simpson received her Bachelor of Science in Physics from the Harvey Mudd College in 1983[6], her Master of Science in Engineering from the California State University, Northridge in 1988 on a Hughes Aircraft Fellowship and her MBA from the University of Arizona in 2001 on a Raytheon Fellowship.[7]
[edit] Flying

Simpson participated in the Bates Aeronautics Program while a student at Harvey Mudd College. She earned her single engine land private pilot?s license in 1981, a commercial pilot?s license with instrument privileges in 1983 and became a certified flight instructor ? airplane in 1988 and an instrument instructor in 1989. In 1988 she added a multi-engine class rating to her commercial license to qualify for transfer to Hughes Missile Systems as a project test engineer and pilot. Simpson upgraded to an Airline Transport Pilot?s (ATP) license in 1994 after adding multi-engine to her flight instructor ratings in 1991. In 1997 added single-engine sea (float planes and flying boats) to her ATP license. In 2005 she became one a few licensed pilots flying FAA certified unmanned aircraft in national airspace system.
In 1989 she co-founded Processional Pilot Training, a fixed based operation at the Burbank, Glendale, Pasadena Airport (KBUR) focused on flight instruction (Private through Airline Transport) taught by professional flight instructors. She relinquished her ownership share of that business when she relocated to Tucson, Arizona in 1994.
Simpson was a mission director and project pilot for captive flight test activities beginning in 1988 before taking over as Director of Flight Operations in 1993 for the Integration, Test and Analysis Laboratory at Hughes Missile Systems. As a systems test pilot she flew the T-39 Sabreliner and Douglas A-3 Skywarrior in support of missile seeker technology development for Hughes Aircraft[8] and Raytheon Missile Systems. In addition she flew numerous large transport category aircraft, light multi-engine and single engine aircraft modified for missile flight test purposes.
As of 2009, she has flown over 60 different makes and models of aircraft and has accumulated over 2700 flight hours.
[edit] Aerospace Career

While an undergraduate, Simpson spent her summers working as a student engineer in the customer service organization on the DC-8/DC-9/DC-10 electrical systems at the Douglas Aircraft facility in Long Beach, CA and on the AH-64 Apache Target Acquisition and Designation Sight/Pilot Night Vision Systems at Hughes Helicopter Company in Marina Del Rey, CA.
Simpson was hired by Hughes Electron Dynamics Division in Torrance, CA in 1983 as an engineer and program manager where she was responsible for engineering and manufacturing of the Gridded Traveling Wave Tube and Continuous Wave Illuminator for the AWG-9/APG-71 radar systems. In 1988 she transferred to the Hughes Missile Systems Company in Canoga Park, CA where she became the lead and director of flight operations for the captive flight test activities. She moved those operations to Tuscon, AZ where she consolidated the Hughes activities with the missile test operations of General Dynamics and later Raytheon as part of corporate mergers. Simpson designed and oversaw construction of an 80,000 sq. ft. dedicated flight test facility at the Tucson International Airport (KTUS).
Simpson moved into project management in 1999 overseeing the daily operations of small Raytheon and Standard Missile Company projects that were relocated to Tucson as part of the corporate merger.
Simpson occupied several systems engineer, systems architect, and systems integrator roles in between 2002 and 2006 on projects diverse as the Unmanned Combat Armed Rotorcraft (UCAR), the Joint Airborne Weapons System AWS) (later renamed the Beechcraft AT-6B) and a variety of advanced technology development and demonstration projects at Raytheon. Simpson also contributed to the development and/or testing of numerous operation missile systems including Maverick, AMRAAM, Standard, Phalanx, TOW, RAM, JAGM, ACM, HARM, JSOW, MALD, ESSM, SilentEyes, Sidewinder, Sparrow, Paveway and Tomahawk.
She retired from Raytheon in 2010 where she was a Deputy Director and Senior Program Manager leading teams developing advanced technology in the Advanced Missiles and Unmanned Systems Product Line.
[edit] Political Career

Simpson served as a commissioner on the City of Tucson Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Commission from 2001 until 2008, representing Councilwoman Carol West.
Simpson was a candidate for Representative of District 26 in the Arizona House of Representatives in 2004. She won the Democratic primary with over 57% of the vote, but was unsuccessful in the general election were she received 20% in the best two of four contest.[9][10]
In the 2004 election Simpson was elected precinct committeeperson, and was elected a state committeeperson by the Legislative District 26 Democratic Party in 2006. She was also elected to the Executive Board and held the office of District Treasurer in 2008. All these posts she continued to hold until her resignation due to accepting a post in President Obama?s Administration in 2009. In 2005, Simpson was one of the founders of the Democrats of Oro Valley Club. She was also the first vice chair of the Arizona Democratic Party LGBT caucus.[11]
At the Arizona Democratic State Convention in 2008, Simpson was elected as an Arizona Delegate for Hillary Clinton to the 2008 Democratic National Convention.
In late 2009, Simpson accepted an appointment by the Obama Administration.[12] She serves in the Department of Commerce as the Senior Technical Adviser to the Bureau of Industry and Security.


Simpson has served on the boards of the Wingspan Community Center, the Southern Arizona Gender Alliance, the Arizona Human Rights Fund, the National Center for Transgender Equality, Out and Equal Workplace Advocates, and the Southern Arizona Chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).[13]
While an employee at Raytheon, she served on the boards of the Raytheon Women?s Network (RWN), Raytheon Global Women?s Network, the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender and Allies Alliance (GLBTA) and the Raytheon Diversity Council.[14]
Simpson is an Associate Fellow with the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics and served on the Systems Engineering Technical Committee from 2007 to 2009.

[Guest]

Letterman practices gender discrimination on national television.

It's Letterman, right? It's funny, right? I chuckled, too, at first, because we've been trained to chuckle at scenes like that...but just think about it for a minute....
Would it be okay to do that if it were a black person, Jewish person, or physically challenged person...would it be okay?
No. I don't think so.
So, why is it okay for a transsexual? See? It sends a message that tells people that it's okay to discriminate transsexuals even if employed at the White House.

On national TV? The Letterman show? How would you feel if they did that to you?
Plaster your face on national television and then have a guy act like he's just realized that he's slept with you, and then runs away in disgrace.
What an insult.

THAT is the very thing i am saying should be banned - even if it's a joke.
It's a rotten f*cking joke.
And it sends a negative message.

Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

Amanda Simpson addresses Letterman's discrimination against her in this speech.

[discovigilante]

What is your answer to the problem

Miss Amanda Simpson spoke very well.

This topic of discussion is very broad at the moment. We have stretched between issues of transgender representation; to questions of use for entertainment; to the authority of media, particularly, film and television, in culture; to comparisons of transgender to other identity markers, e.g. race, ethnicity, the physical impaired, and victims of disease. So perhaps we can try to focus a little more on some specifics.
I have gathered by what you have said Babe that the problem is that TV creates and maintains negative perspectives towards transgendered people. Is that right?
Now, from that I see that many diverse topics must be considered. Firstly, the actual power TV has over a human beings understanding of their self and their world. This would require a person to fully analyze the depth of components that are a part of TV. There are many. That is why, today, Communication Studies departments exist in nearly all universities. Of which I am a graduate.
Secondly, In discussing the representations of transgendered, we must consider multiple perspectives that go into a representation, be it face to face, through media, or individual conception. As a necessity this would lead us into the third consideration of how being transgendered serves as an identity marker like skin colour, religion, and physical impairment.
In discussion of transgender as an identity marker, like all other identity markers, you inevitably go into a discussion of taxonomy(placing things into groups by category). And this leads you to question what transgender means. We can compare a crossdresser to a transsexual, but perhaps we can not categorize them together. Again, for these reasons there are Cultural Studies departments arising in many universities. Of which I am also a graduate.

What needs to be seen to properly continue this conversation is for clarification of goals and ways to get there.

Babe, what is your answer to the problem?