Deadbeats

[cobbler]

I've been wanting to address this issue for quite some time now, and so here goes.

If you make an appointment with a provider and find somehow you can't or suddenly don't want to make it, have the decency to call and let her know. Every girl I have met has been subject to this lack of manners (or is it lack of balls?). Call her, or better yet have the gumption to show up and fulfill your end of the bargain. If you can't do the deed don't make the appointment.
Man up boys of Toronto. You know who you are.
That's it, rant over.
For now.

[toban]

How about going one step further? I did

I've been wanting to address this issue for quite some time now, and so here goes.

If you make an appointment with a provider and find somehow you can't or suddenly don't want to make it, have the decency to call and let her know. Every girl I have met has been subject to this lack of manners (or is it lack of balls?). Call her, or better yet have the gumption to show up and fulfill your end of the bargain. If you can't do the deed don't make the appointment.
Man up boys of Toronto. You know who you are.
That's it, rant over.
For now.

Here's an expansion on your idea cobbler and one that I have actually employed. Good manners demands that each of the parties to an arrangement have an obligation to fulfil their promise to the others involved.

I am a person who was brought up to be one whose word is his bond - whose handshake on a deal is as firm as a signed contract ! I can not understand how anyone can make a firm agreement to meet, then just simply fail to show for it! Of course this applies equally to the girls too, a few of whom are equally well known for this.

In my case I had made a firm committment to meet a very highly regarded local girl the following day but suddenly, at the last minute, found I could not keep it. Of course I called to let her know the situation I found myself in but by this time she had made special efforts for my visit and I felt very disappointed in myself that I had aborted the meeting..

On my next visit to To. I made another appointment with her and included a very generous "addition" to the expected donation to acknowledge any distress caused her by my previous cancellation.

[Raging Bob]

Personally i have never been a "no-show". However, I have showed up for my appointment only to be turned away at the door, which I though was absolutely bizarre!!!! I'm not conceited but I don't think I'm that fugly...lol. Hell, I don't think ANYBODY is fugly enough to be so rude to!! (PM me and I'll tell ya who it was!!!). Common courtesy should go both ways!!!

[Rantsalot]

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What I've always wondered about is how girls ask for a "cancellation fee" if a guy can not make their meet. I've seen this term "cancellation fee" pop up here and elsewhere.The whole idea itself makes zero sense. First of all there is no written or binding contract that would make one honor paying this and secondly how would someone intend to collect? Funny idea.

[Raging Bob]

A "cancellation fee" would be the antidote for "repeat business" !

Just a thought.....

[toban]

What I've always wondered about is how girls ask for a "cancellation" fee if a guy can not make their meet. I've seen this term "cancellation fee" pop up here and elsewhere.The whole idea itself makes zero sense. First of all there is no written or binding contract that would make one honor paying this and secondly how would someone intend to collect? Funny idea.

I can envision one instance where this would be likely to occur. I've seen a few ads where the girl asks for an advance fee and your advance fee or deposit would be ripe for picking in that case.

In a related fashion, within the last few days one girl here or on SC has suggested that a deposit in advance, sent to her would put you at the top of her list when she does arrive in town. Hmmmm,

[Raging Bob]

I can envision one instance where this would be likely to occur. I've seen a few ads where the girl asks for an advance fee and your advance fee or deposit would be ripe for picking in that case.

In a related fashion, within the last few days one girl here or on SC has suggested that a deposit in advance, sent to her would put you at the top of her list when she does arrive in town. Hmmmm,

That's not a crazy idea!! But I guess it depends on the individuals involved.....

[Shyla Wild]

What I've always wondered about is how girls ask for a "cancellation" fee if a guy can not make their meet. I've seen this term "cancellation fee" pop up here and elsewhere.The whole idea itself makes zero sense. First of all there is no written or binding contract that would make one honor paying this and secondly how would someone intend to collect? Funny idea.

I don't believe in cancellations fees. Whatever, no-shows happen. Phone skills are key. Judging your client's voice if he is serious, curious etc. Don't push a bad position and don't answer blocked or unknown calls.

As for the contract, unfortunately a verbal contract is legal in North America. Example: Eric Lindros traded to Philly verbally, then New York on paper. Philly won.

[Rockheart]

I don't believe in cancellations fees. Whatever, no-shows happen. Phone skills are key. Judging your client's voice if he is serious, curious etc. Don't push a bad position and don't answer blocked or unknown calls.

As for the contract, unfortunately a verbal contract is legal in North America. Example: Eric Lindros traded to Philly verbally, then New York on paper. Philly won.

My chiropractor tried to charge me a cancellation fee, so I just went to another one.
My dentist tried to charge me a cancellation fee, so I just went to another one.

An escort makes a contractual offer in the form of an advertisement.
This type of contract can be accepted by anyone and the escort must provide the advertised service to anyone that accepts the contract. If there is no cancellation fee agreed to in the offer you cannot charge it.
My Dentist and Chiropractor both have this listed in their agreement.

It is generally accepted in services under $500 most people can cancel without penalty for many reasons.

1. The only way you can enforce the contract is to sue the person and it usually costs at least $200 to sue someone in small claims court. Plus if you lose you have to pay the court costs (up to $1000 or more even). This does not include the cost of lawyer.
2. Services are not hard goods, so no one is really out anything per se. Like say you made some custom widgets for someone then they never showed up to buy them. Then you are out time and money.
3. Usually services don't want to piss of their customers because that is their bread and butter. Just imagine if restaurants tried to charge everyone that doesn't show up.
4. Most often the person that calls to accept services is anonymous and cannot be identified 100%.

In most cases many people are polite and cancel in time or at least call.
Many wont' call because many escorts will flip out on them, so why call in that case.
The escort should maybe take the opportunity to rebook or something rather than attack them and put their name on Craiglist or something.

If the escorts services are fantastic and they didn't mean to put the escort out they will pay a fee or tip more the next time as Toban says.

If you put an ad up people should be free to call.
It seems many feel that if someone calls, they are obligated to book (accept the contract)
Not the case.
Clients should be allowed to research services, that is their right.
Combative behaviour will easily send them to another provider.

[Rantsalot]

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That's not a crazy idea!! But I guess it depends on the individuals involved.....

You do that then but don't go complaining if somehow your "deposit" is no longer valid or mysteriously was never accepted.

[Rantsalot]

Verbal contract

The only way a verbal contract works is if a 3rd party is witness to the 2 people who make the agreement. They don't even have to write anything down rather just be there and provide reasonable proof that what was said was said or if the verbal contract is made known to the masses. Hey if someone here wants to announce to thousands of people they are going to make an appointment to see a girl be my guest but I don't think many will for the sake of discretion and all that.

[Shyla Wild]

The only way a verbal contract works is if a 3rd party is witness to the 2 people who make the agreement. They don't even have to write anything down rather just be there and provide reasonable proof that what was said was said or if the verbal contract is made known to the masses. Hey if someone here wants to announce to thousands of people they are going to make an appointment to see a girl be my guest but I don't think many will for the sake of discretion and all that.

Three words: Record the Call

Let's be honest here,

1. we cannot record the call without advising the client
2. we tell a client that we are recording the call and the client probably hangs up
3. to get the money we have to go to court. too much trouble and too much money for the amount

But I have a question. How do dentists get away with it?

[Shyla Wild]

I just figure no-shows are part of this shady business. People have lives, things happen, cold feet whatever. I totally agreed that there it's kinda shady asking for a cancellation fee. A deposit? Even worse. Might work on a noob, but will kill repeat business. Win short term, lose long term. Guys HATE red tape.

I still believe that a lot of the work to prevent no-shows happens on the phone. I like to chat it up on the phone. It helps me judge the client. Plus it helps me see what he is looking for. If it's something I can't or don't do, I would prefer to refer him to someone else then to do something I am not comfortable with.

Like I said before, phone skills are important. There are many types of clients. Those that know what they what, those that want to see you but are nervous or shy, window shoppers, and those that like to chit-chat (aka time wasters). Then lastly, the no-showers. These are special. They're kinda like "Those that know what they what" except they are a little too "excited". They book appointments and never show. They tend to prey on new girls and traveling girls. The girls that I travel with have developed safeguards against this. A number flagging system we have personally kept for cities we traveled to, where a client has "messed around" with more then 1 girl.

[cobbler]

Semantics

Contract schmontract.
I'm not concerned with the legalities of the situation, but with the ethics.
If a person calls a recognized service provider and books an appointment they have an ethical (dare I say moral?) obligation to follow it up.
Obviously circumstances can change, and plans must be altered, but to simply "no show" is cowardly at best.
We customers like to call ourselves men, but so often many of us act like silly little boys.

[Rockheart]

Contract schmontract.
I'm not concerned with the legalities of the situation, but with the ethics.
If a person calls a recognized service provider and books an appointment they have an ethical (dare I say moral?) obligation to follow it up.
Obviously circumstances can change, and plans must be altered, but to simply "no show" is cowardly at best.
We customers like to call ourselves men, but so often many of us act like silly little boys.

Cowardly is a little extreme.
The only ones that are afraid are newbies and they probably chicken out.
They are not making an appointment for an oil change here.

The fact is anyone can no-show any time they want.
It doesn't make them any less a man, it's no skin off their ass.
I probably wouldn't tell them either if I thought I was going to be called names.
Plus from what I have seen, many escorts back out on clients all the time.
They just don't answer their phone or door.

Anyone who doesn't like the way the business works, should get an hourly job.
Then they can be pretty sure how much money is coming in.

These are purely risks of being self employed.