My fantasy? Reality.

[Ray]

I too like to get to know the SP a little bit. I definitely think it adds to the overall experience. Maybe that is one of the reasons I am very fond of Asia. She has told me a lot about herself both in and out of escorting and I have told her things about myself that not too many people know.

[Lucas_Grindhouse]

Interesting topic with far-reaching implications

Rantsalot, you bring up a good point and Jane brings up the crux of the issue. If we are talking about escorts, there is a veneer, the illusion Jane refers to. There must be boundaries for the girl's sake and also for the client's. What if you glimpse something behind the veneer, some facet of the girl's real personality? It turns you on because it's a real connection. However, try to carve your way through the veneer and you'll be violating boundaries and making the girl uncomfortable. IMHO, the best you can hope for is the occasional peek into her world and this is not a real relationship.

If you are talking about developing a relationship, you are on the right track, Rantsalot, there's no doubt. A real connection, a deep and powerful understanding of each other, assuming it's mutual.

In my eyes, the issue is a matter of the girl's occupation. How hard it must be to maintain the illusion, to hold it up as if it was her true self, how lonely perhaps. I'm guessing because I'm not an escort. Unfortunately, it may be one of the most difficult tasks to try for a relationship with a girl who is also an escort. Not impossible but fraught with obstacles.

All the best

Lucas

[Rantsalot]

...

Rantsalot, you bring up a good point and Jane brings up the crux of the issue. If we are talking about escorts, there is a veneer, the illusion Jane refers to. There must be boundaries for the girl's sake and also for the client's. What if you glimpse something behind the veneer, some facet of the girl's real personality? It turns you on because it's a real connection. However, try to carve your way through the veneer and you'll be violating boundaries and making the girl uncomfortable. IMHO, the best you can hope for is the occasional peek into her world and this is not a real relationship.

If you are talking about developing a relationship, you are on the right track, Rantsalot, there's no doubt. A real connection, a deep and powerful understanding of each other, assuming it's mutual.

In my eyes, the issue is a matter of the girl's occupation. How hard it must be to maintain the illusion, to hold it up as if it was her true self, how lonely perhaps. I'm guessing because I'm not an escort. Unfortunately, it may be one of the most difficult tasks to try for a relationship with a girl who is also an escort. Not impossible but fraught with obstacles.

All the best

Lucas

Er yeah...no. I am not talking about relationships and as to how that came across in the first place I do not understand. Perhaps when I first wrote this it was vague for some people who went off into a tangent and connected the topic to that.

A girl needs to keep up appearances . Fine. They want to put on a show or display. Fine. It does not turn me on or off if something real is revealed about a girl but you are right as yes it does bring a connection in that they are veritable.

I digress though. Some guys want the wild ride with the loop de loop and shiny lights , me, yeah, sure, once in a while I suppose but I'd rather just stop and enjoy just being with a human being.

[xoxJanexox]

Er yeah...no. I am not talking about relationships and as to how that came across in the first place I do not understand. perhaps when I first wrote this it was vague for some people who went off into a tangent and connected the topic to that.

A girl needs to keep up appearances . Fine. They want to put on a show or display. Fine. It does not turn me on or off if something real is revealed about a girl but you are right as yes it does bring a connection in that they are veritable.

I digress though. Some guys want the wild ride with the loop de loop and shiny lights , me, yeah, sure, once in a while I suppose but I'd rather just stop and enjoy just being with a human being.

I think that your thread is clear, my comment earlier was in response to Mr. Toban when he said that with time "actual" friendships could develop with time.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a gentleman who want to add more to the the rendezvous. I actually see what you are referring to in your last paragraph with great respect!

As you said not all men are into that and the same applies for gurls!

[Lucas_Grindhouse]

No disrespect intended

Alright. I went back and read your original thread. Here it is:

Over the years I've seen many t girls on and offline and the one thing I have always wanted to know is "Who are they truly?"

What I read here is you want to know who the girls are underneath the show.

I mean, yes, of course all men want to be with that special someone and see them dolled up or put forth some kind of fetish and what not but quite honestly, with me my thing is knowing the true person from within.

What I read here is you're trying to break through, to know who the person really is.


I recall one girl I was chatting with at a club who told me her name and I said it was nice to meet her and then I whispered what was her "real name". She kinda looked at me rather shocked as if no one had ever asked her that before. She then smiled and told me and then continued on and said how it was so nice to break out. Needless to say we talked on and off for a while as she was up and about talking to other people with her other persona. By the end of the night she left for home but to this day we still keep in touch.

What I read here is an example of you breaking through and how this resulted in a RELATIONSHIP which still goes on to this day.

Maybe you misunderstood. A relationship isn't restricted to a sexual relationship or a marriage. It can just as well be a friendship, a mentorship, a collaboration, or any number of other ongoing communications and activities.

So what I don't get is why you want to know who nthe real person is if you don't want a relationship. What is it good for? I thought the whole point was to get to know the real person. That implies a longer term commitment than just a one-hour rendez-vous.

I don't mean any disrespect, Rantsalot. I actually empathized with what you were saying, that's why I posted a response. Now, I'm not sure what you want.

As I see it, these girls generally put up a veneer as a way to insulate themselves from being hurt. They would get hurt if there was an indication of a real relationship which was then proven to be a lie because the guy (or girl) wasn't really interested. A sharp-eyed, perceptive man such as yourself can peek through the veneer but try and tear it down and you leave the girl exposed and vulnerable.

So, if you don't want a relationship, what DO you want?

It's an insightful question you pose. I'm always up for an intelligent discussion.

Respectfully,

Lucas

[Locomotion]

Protection

Well IMO many are just selective and don't want to share their personal lives with all the creepy tranny chasers that are out there...

[xoxJanexox]

Alright. I went back and read your original thread. Here it is:

Over the years I've seen many t girls on and offline and the one thing I have always wanted to know is "Who are they truly?"

What I read here is you want to know who the girls are underneath the show.

I mean, yes, of course all men want to be with that special someone and see them dolled up or put forth some kind of fetish and what not but quite honestly,with me my thing is knowing the true person from within.

What I read here is you're trying to break through, to know who the person really is.


I recall one girl I was chatting with at a club who told me her name and I said it was nice to meet her and then I whispered what was her "real name". She kinda looked at me rather shocked as if no one had ever asked her that before. She then smiled and told me and then continued on and said how it was so nice to break out. Needless to say we talked on and off for a while as she was up and about talking to other people with her other persona. By the end of the night she left for home but to this day we still keep in touch.

What I read here is an example of you breaking through and how this resulted in a RELATIONSHIP which still goes on to this day.

Maybe you misunderstood. A relationship isn't restricted to a sexual relationship or a marriage. It can just as well be a friendship, a mentorship, a collaboration, or any number of other ongoing communications and activities.

So what I don't get is why you want to know who nthe real person is if you don't want a relationship. What is it good for? I thought the whole point was to get to know the real person. That implies a longer term commitment than just a one-hour rendez-vous.

I don't mean any disrespect, Rantsalot. I actually empathized with what you were saying, that's why I posted a response. Now, I'm not sure what you want.

As I see it, these girls generally put up a veneer as a way to insulate themselves from being hurt. They would get hurt if there was an indication of a real relationship which was then proven to be a lie because the guy (or girl) wasn't really interested. A sharp-eyed, perceptive man such as yourself can peek through the veneer but try and tear it down and you leave the girl exposed and vulnerable.

So, if you don't want a relationship, what DO you want?

It's an insightful question you pose. I'm always up for an intelligent discussion.

Respectfully,

Lucas

Lucas, I don't know who you really are? But you have nailed it!

Clients always forget the illusion of this business and want to dig deep inside, Some, I would say for good reasons, they just want to share good moments! Generally, there is nothing wrong with that! A bit of chit chat is always intriguing!

But, I always feel sorry for the ones that think they can get "very close"! In a way they are naive and in the other they could be just dangerous! The unfortunate reality is that clients never want to hear this! I have on many occasions heard stories of clients who were taken advantage of and it is always the same story! They wanted to get very close, some of them thought it is cheaper, but in effect it turned out to be more expensive and hurting!

Then some may ask why am I saying it? For the simple reason and no offense to the Devil. The gents here think that life revolves around this forum and there is nothing far from the truth than this assumption!

[toban]

Is a "friendship" not a "relationship"

Er yeah...no. I am not talking about relationships and as to how that came across in the first place I do not understand. Perhaps when I first wrote this it was vague for some people who went off into a tangent and connected the topic to that. - - - - - - -

In your original post you had used the term actual friendship and in a subsequent post I too had mentioned how a simple "friendship" with an escort had become, over some time, an actual friendship pretty much in agreement with the incident in your own life.

Perhaps a reason for the shift in the topic of this thread was that for many folk there is a very real association between "friendship" and "relationship". There may be many kinds of relationships but personal relationships are generally formed between two people who look at each other as friends.

Since people involved in a relationship almost certainly began that association as just regular, everyday friends, I suggest that some posters to this thread may have assumed then that a term such as "actual" friendship was probably akin to a "personal" relationship and things then just progressed from there.

[Lucas_Grindhouse]

I'll take my lumps like a big boy

I didn't want to detract from Rantsalot's post. I posted a reply in support of the point he advanced. Then I felt slighted because Rantsalot said he wasn't talking about relationships, inferring I misunderstood him.

It seems I did misunderstand him but not through any fault of mine. Semantics (or the lack there of) got the better of me.

As a new member of the forum, I'll take my lumps. Rantsalot is a long-time member so, if he wants to rub my nose in it, I'll sniff and learn.

Arfff arfff.

To Jane - I'm a new member here, a man, long time admirer of t-girls, currently developing a career as a writer. Since I write shemale erotica, I felt I should join the forum since this is a place where I'm not out of place in my appreciation of t-girls. If I'm here, I may as well contribute.

Until people know I'm sincere, I'll understand if some believe I am not as represented. I'll tell you though - the only thing false about me is my name. Lucas Grindhouse is my pen name.

Lucas

[Shyla Wild]

There is something many of you must realize. Most of us are VERY good actresses. Getting close to us can be a dangerous thing. The person underneath the sexy vixen may not be what you thought. I can tell you that for myself Shyla Wild is nothing more than a product. A self created personality used to protect my private life. Does this sound bad? Maybe dishonest? Considering that most of us are not the same person at work and at home I think this is normal. We do not tell everyone at work our personal lives, and sharing this type of information with clients would be considered unprofessional. And personally...I don't care about the cashier's personal problems at Louis Vuitton, The Bay or MacDonalds.

I enjoy chit-chatting with my clients. They will describe me as chatty, witty, and opinionated. Yet very few have any information on me. I prefer it that way. In a session I am not there for me. I am there for the client. So I prefer not talking about me and taking an interest in him. Being knowledgable in different subjects helps because I can follow up what he says with my opinion or questions regarding what he just said....show an interest. I know you are interested in me when you walk through the door...why else would you be there? Now it's me job to show that I am interested in YOU. Hard to do if I'm talking about myself.

As for GFE. I want this renamed. This is totally misleading. See no one wants Girlfriend Experience. You want fuck friend experience. You want that feeling of picking up a girl at a bar and taking her home to a passionate intense experience. You want that girl on the side that you just click with. Next time someone asks me for GFE, I'm going to take off my makeup, put my hair up, take off my lingerie, put on sweatpants and a t-shirt, I have laser done but girls that don't shouldn't shave their legs, then I will complain that I have a headache, I'm bloated and that's it's my period. There's Girlfriend Experience for you.