What A TG Woman Wants & Needs **For Top Guys Only**

[TSFantasia]

Very interesting thread. I've never formally dated a TS before, so my only input is based on who I have met. I always thought that most girls preferred to top. At least in their professional lives.

As an example, I've watched the most popular girls in Toronto on both sides, and to me, there seems to be a more genuine lust in their eyes as they are topping me. Almost animalistic (new word) at times. Could be my damn pleasure/pain face changes. LOL

I do remember one time with one girl who was pretty new, she was surprised that I preferred to top. Up to that point she told me that every man she met wanted her to top. So I assumed men were very interested in being penetrated.

I do agree that you should all be looked at, admired and worshiped as the beautiful women you are. For me, having that cock is just an added bonus.

Maybe I just like seeing a real orgasm and knowing it was not fake. LOL.
Who am I kidding, I just love sex, all kinds of sex.


KC

Well I don't doubt that some T-Girl SP are dominant tops and due to their endowment and the fact that they are in business to make money market themselves that way. If they are a "true top" in their personal lives and relationships then I would suggest that was their sexual orientation before they began their transition, as you have to have a certain mindset to look down at a man's butt and be sexually aroused by that. Their reasons and goals for transitioning may be different from those who are under going transition and sex change due to the "clinical" definition of a MtF transgender woman with gender dysphoria. I can't see any TG woman ,who views herself as a woman and who is going through the struggle and sacrifice of physical transformation being happy about constantly being reminded she has male genitals and being in the male position during sex. As T-Girl escorts we are taking advantage of our "in-between" stage some just as a means to an end (paying our bills and transition surgery costs) and others making a career of it.

And again I need to drag this out of the escort/client context and porn images/videos to the fact that what most TG women desire in their personal lives and relationships is to be viewed, treated, and touched as a woman, which in most cases means us finding guys who are tops. As long as guys only want to see a TS in a paid sex session or wanking porn material then they are free to imagine and purchase what ever sexual fantasy and configurations they like and that SPs and porn actors are willing to provide for money.

[Gypsy1955]

Tops onnly

Ms. Devine, I'm surprised to see your opinion as such. I'm not sure if it's sarcasm? But my take from it is that it's ok to fuck a tgirl but not to suck her or get topped or you're gay. OK, We've established that all of your clients are gay. I can assure you I'm as straight as the gent who fucks a tgirl in the butt but refuses to see or touch her genitals. Or to have any of her cum be seen and absolutely not be anywhere on his body. He finishes, you can go jerk yourself off for your own satisfaction. I think you would tire of that very quickly. For me I enjoy giving oral, it's the most personal and intimate thing a person can do to another. It's the absolute #1 foreplay bar none! Close your eyes and think of being seduced, a hot wet tongue tickling your neck, down to your shoulders, arms, breasts. Slowly going down your body...little licks and bites. Pinning your arms over your head and licking your rib cage, your belly, sucking and licking your inner thighs, behind your knees, beneath your scrotum, your balls, your ass...tongue flicking and teasing. Get the message? Tell me you wouldn't want that mouth wrapped around your cock!? You'd rather a "straight" guy who will fuck your ass but not give you any of this wonderful pleasures or make you cum? He's still fucking an ass with a set of junk dangling there! Is it a man or a woman he's fucking? My motto is if I can't eat it I can't fuck it. Performing oral really gets my mojo going. I don't take it in the rear either but if I want a session it's not wham bam, I want intimate pleasure and I want my partner pleasured also. If I have to use my mouth and tongue to get the desired results...so be it! I also see the tgirl as a beautiful woman, I will suck her cock to pleasure her...and I'm straight!

Ms. DVyne, my most humble apology for the incorrect spelling of your name. Also, my article appears somewhat angry...I am not angry nor are my comments meant to be that way. So again...sorry if it offends you or anyone else.

[Alexis]

Lol..

Ms. Devine, I'm surprised to see your opinion as such. I'm not sure if it's sarcasm? But my take from it is that it's ok to fuck a tgirl but not to suck her or get topped or you're gay. OK, We've established that all of your clients are gay. I can assure you I'm as straight as the gent who fucks a tgirl in the butt but refuses to see or touch her genitals. Or to have any of her cum be seen and absolutely not be anywhere on his body. He finishes, you can go jerk yourself off for your own satisfaction. I think you would tire of that very quickly. For me I enjoy giving oral, it's the most personal and intimate thing a person can do to another. It's the absolute #1 foreplay bar none! Close your eyes and think of being seduced, a hot wet tongue tickling your neck, down to your shoulders, arms, breasts. Slowly going down your body...little licks and bites. Pinning your arms over your head and licking your rib cage, your belly, sucking and licking your inner thighs, behind your knees, beneath your scrotum, your balls, your ass...tongue flicking and teasing. Get the message? Tell me you wouldn't want that mouth wrapped around your cock!? You'd rather a "straight" guy who will fuck your ass but not give you any of this wonderful pleasures or make you cum? He's still fucking an ass with a set of junk dangling there! Is it a man or a woman he's fucking? My motto is if I can't eat it I can't fuck it. Performing oral really gets my mojo going. I don't take it in the rear either but if I want a session it's not wham bam, I want intimate pleasure and I want my partner pleasured also. If I have to use my mouth and tongue to get the desired results...so be it! I also see the tgirl as a beautiful woman, I will suck her cock to pleasure her...and I'm straight!

No offence taken..

I'm versatile and bi.. I like cock and pussy.. I like to top and bottom..

I'm weird I guess but I like a bit of everything..

Now just to clear things up for you..

If you're sucking on a cock.. you're not straight.. sorry.. lol.. not gay either if you like pussy..

I like to cum with a cock in my ass, in 69, getting a bj and my ass teased and fucking a nice tight hole..

I've stated many times before though I am very versatile my preference is to fuck women and be fucked by men..

[TSFantasia]

Really?!?

Got a pic? Stats? lol.. seriously..

I find it almost impossible to find a guy that doesn't want to have my dick down his throat or in his ass..

You're what I would define as a "real straight guy"

Unlike the straight guys that suck my dick.. lol..

My guess is you see sexy tgirls for what we are.. sexy women..

Well I propose a new set definitions for T-Girl hobbyists/admirers/ luvers as at least from personal experience gay men are NOT attracted to TG/TS women. Straight/heterosexual can be crossed off the list as a guy HAS to be aroused by the presence of another cock even if it's only in the context of it being attached to a T-Girl. Bisexual doesn't apply either unless the guy is equally aroused having sex with a GG or TS as well as with other men. So none of the normal "tags" apply and probably why men are generally confused as to what their attraction to T-Girls makes them.

T-Girl Straight: Top Only Guys who like to receive oral and give anal will touch even suck but very limited interest in that.
T-Girl Bi : Versatile tops who enjoy mutual oral and occasional mutual anal but still approach T-girls as a woman and mostly top.
T-Girl Gay: Bottom only men who's only sexual satisfaction comes from being in the submissive feminine role of giving oral and receiving anal.

The truth is human sexuality is a multi-coloured rainbow not 2 or 3 distinct colours with clearly defined lines. The colours blend into each other before they become full red, yellow, purple, etc. Men love sex and can enjoy it easier without emotional attachment better than women so the variation is going to be even greater.

[Gypsy1955]

Tops only

You ladies are too funny But I don't fit into any of those categories. I experimented and sucked 2 cocks, both t-girls and not at the same time lol! Does that make me gay? Or according to Fantasia's new categories, straight but will suck a cock Lol. One girl I had seen several times, and wondered "wtf are you doing!!" each time while doing it. I let her ride on top of me once...a-hum...that's me on my back with her sitting on me, I'm inside her thank-you very much! My curiosity about cock is complete and I don't regret what I've done. In fact my association with one girl has opened my mind and given me a new level of understanding. We are still very good friends and we communicate almost daily. My true love is pussy Cannot get enough of it. It's been 7 or 8 months since "cockgate" but I still wonder why I did it. I believe that's what keeps bringing back here, very intelligent ladies...good conversation, I have time on my hands. Hopefully I'll figure it out. By the way...I have no doubt about my sexuality...STRAIGHT!!! Lol

[TSFantasia]

You ladies are too funny But I don't fit into any of those categories. I experimented and sucked 2 cocks, both t-girls and not at the same time lol! Does that make me gay? Or according to Fantasia's new categories, straight but will suck a cock Lol. One girl I had seen several times, and wondered "wtf are you doing!!" each time while doing it. I let her ride on top of me once...a-hum...that's me on my back with her sitting on me, I'm inside her thank-you very much! My curiosity about cock is complete and I don't regret what I've done. In fact my association with one girl has opened my mind and given me a new level of understanding. We are still very good friends and we communicate almost daily. My true love is pussy Cannot get enough of it. It's been 7 or 8 months since "cockgate" but I still wonder why I did it. I believe that's what keeps bringing back here, very intelligent ladies...good conversation, I have time on my hands. Hopefully I'll figure it out. By the way...I have no doubt about my sexuality...STRAIGHT!!! Lol

Well regardless your my kind of "straight" . I do know that I have had guys who were in the "curious" stage said they were very turned on by the whole t-girl best of both worlds combo. They were obviously very aroused in the foreplay stages up until my dick made its appearance at which point they lost all momentum and were unable to perform and usually just ended the session early themselves. First-timer jitter or nerves? Maybe, but they were rock hard as long as they were touching and seeing my feminine attributes. I start my sessions tucked and my genitals feel like any pussy mound would when a guy is rubbing my crotch. They just couldn't handle visually seeing a penis it was a turn off! And putting it back away and performing oral on these guys didn't help as it was too late.

[rider014]

Hoo boy!

To cock or not to cock.... That is the question? I'm beginning to feel as if I've been abducted by t-girl aliens as a strange new species(no anal probing allowed!) I'll give a big kudos to Gypsy for his plunge into oral experimentation. In all honesty, I was going to give it the old college effort.... Alas, I folded like a cheap suit. Couldn't do it. I too have the belief of Gypsy that my goal in a sexual encounter is to put my partners pleasure ahead of mine. If a t-girls only way to achieve orgasm is either oral or anal, then the other half of the encounter, in my opinion really isn't doing that good of a job. There are so many erogenous zones on the human body that don't include the genitals that it is really quite easy to wind someone up so that it won't be hard to achieve an orgasm without oral or anal. Being that encounters for the most part are an hour, it does make it difficult for either party involved to really explore each other to get to that wound up point, so it is, clothes off, sucky sucky fucky fucky squirt squirt see ya! Maybe a wee bit of conversation, maybe not if it's a versatile situation as that hour could disappear quickly. As a top only no giving oral guy such as myself, an hour is quite a long time which allows me to properly explore my partner and find her buttons

[Gypsy1955]

To cock or not to cock

Well regardless your my kind of "straight" . I do know that I have had guys who were in the "curious" stage said they were very turned on by the whole t-girl best of both worlds combo. They were obviously very aroused in the foreplay stages up until my dick made its appearance at which point they lost all momentum and were unable to perform and usually just ended the session early themselves. First-timer jitter or nerves? Maybe, but they were rock hard as long as they were touching and seeing my feminine attributes. I start my sessions tucked and my genitals feel like any pussy mound would when a guy is rubbing my crotch. They just couldn't handle visually seeing a penis it was a turn off! And putting it back away and performing oral on these guys didn't help as it was too late.

Well thank you Fantasia. One of the reasons that helped me with this whole thing was that deep down I'm very secure about my sexuality and who I am. Seeing a girls penis never knocked a tic off me. First time I seen her she answered the door with nothing on but her shoes lol! Truth! Giving a beautiful t-girl a bj a few times, big deal!! Although I did have some issues with it afterwards, fear wasn't one of them. And most of all I felt great knowing that I pleasured her and she enjoyed it. But as our friendship developed we couldn't do that anymore because it felt kinda weird for both of us. So now I guess that stage of my life is over. But her and I are best friends.

[xoxJanexox]

So how about a guy receiving pegging from a woman?

Is he girl gay? This is just ridiculous.

So, for the purpose of escorting we brand ourselves with all the fancy characteristics (professionals, non-judgmental etc).
Then behind the closed doors, these men are girl gays because they are seeking bottom role when they decide to pay their hard earned money to fulfill a fantasy once a week/month/ or year!

A man is going to see an escort for a reason!
The reason is to fulfill a fantasy! Is this a secret?
Where in hell is fantasy even close to reality
Where in hell is a human being is to be judged based on his fantasy!

In this business, as in life, scarcity hugely impacts the demand.
In analogy an average genetic girl would charge 200/hr, the same girl could charge 250 - 300/hr if she provides domination, strap-on etc!

So we want to be escorts, brand ourselves, charge higher premiums compared to an average genetic girl because we are t-girls?
So we plead our cocks to justify the higher premiums, then we call our clients for seeking the same cocks in bed? Is this called hypocrisy?!

[TSFantasia]

Well the moral of the story is that the T-girl hobbyists and T-girl porn is becoming a little "bottom guy" heavy, because that's where the current demand is. But in the real world if you are looking to pick up T-girls at Clubs or dating sites your not likely to get a favourable response to pick up lines like " Hey Baby how would you like to have your way with my virgin ass? Can't wait to have your tranny cock deep inside me!" Etc. etc.

[TSFantasia]

So how about a guy receiving pegging from a woman?

Is he girl gay? This is just ridiculous.

So, for the purpose of escorting we brand ourselves with all the fancy characteristics (professionals, non-judgmental etc).
Then behind the closed doors, these men are girl gays because they are seeking bottom role when they decide to pay their hard earned money to fulfill a fantasy once a week/month/ or year!

A man is going to see an escort for a reason!
The reason is to fulfill a fantasy! Is this a secret?
Where in hell is fantasy even close to reality
Where in hell is a human being is to be judged based on his fantasy!

In this business, as in life, scarcity hugely impacts the demand.
In analogy an average genetic girl would charge 200/hr, the same girl could charge 250 - 300/hr if she provides domination, strap-on etc!

So we want to be escorts, brand ourselves, charge higher premiums compared to an average genetic girl because we are t-girls?
So we plead our cocks to justify the higher premiums, then we call our clients for seeking the same cocks in bed? Is this called hypocrisy?!

Your missing the whole point of the post it's regardless of what men can purchase from an escort or what they can view on T-Girl porn this is far from the reality of what TG women want and need in a sexual relationship with a potential partner/BF/spouse/ Significant Other.

[xoxJanexox]

Your missing the whole point of the post it's regardless of what men can purchase from an escort or what they can view on T-Girl porn this is far from the reality of what TG women want and need in a sexual relationship with a potential partner/BF/spouse/ Significant Other.

Flip it around and you will recognize that you are the one missing the point:

In reality only "few" men are willing to have a meaningful relationship with a t-girl.
The distribution of those few is wholly different from what we see as escorts!
Those are willing to live it 24/7 and make it a normal life for them and not a fantasy.
So, they are willing to provide their t-girl partners what they really want, be it purely top, versatile or bottom.
They now have a t-girl for free, so they will have to live up to her amusement.

No one will approach a genetic girl in a club and say to her I want you to peg my virgin ass with a strap-on.
You are in an industry premised on fantasy, but yet you want to compare it to reality!

Did you get my point?

[bb420]

No one will approach a genetic girl in a club and say to her I want you to peg my virgin ass with a strap-on.

Hey I might do that...Of course my ass is anything but virgin.
The women I've seen lately have been more eager to shove things in my ass then the T-girls I've seen recently.

[TSFantasia]

Flip it around and you will recognize that you are the one missing the point:

In reality only "few" men are willing to have a meaningful relationship with a t-girl.
The distribution of those few is wholly different from what we see as escorts!
Those are willing to live it 24/7 and make it a normal life for them and not a fantasy.
So, they are willing to provide their t-girl partners what they really want, be it purely top, versatile or bottom.
They now have a t-girl for free, so they will have to live up to her amusement.

No one will approach a genetic girl in a club and say to her I want you to peg my virgin ass with a strap-on.
You are in an industry premised on fantasy, but yet you want to compare it to reality!

Did you get my point?

I do get your point and yes it is hard for TG women to find real relationships but they do. And not all the guys are bottoms just because they are attracted to T-Girls. Very few of the guys I have dated even hinted at wanting me to "have my way with their ass". Mostly because I filter out the hard core wanna-be bottoms, who's 2nd or 3rd message is to this effect. And I'm not opposed to satisfying a BFs desire for anal stimulation through prostrate massage, using toys & strap ons and occasionally topping them but definitely wouldn't be a 50/50 split more like 70/30..lol. But I can also tell in conversing with guys that these bottom guy orientated scenes taking over the "she"male porn sites do affect guys' perception of reality . Some saying to me that while they are attracted to T-Girls they have no desire to be fucked up the ass, as they are starting to believe that's what we really want. Guys like this I make a date with as soon as possible! After telling them "No worries most T-Girls have no interest in that!"

I know also that this is a forum frequented by T-Girl hobbyists and admirers. Not all have taken the plunge into seeing an escort and I want to let them know there are other options to a paid encounter. And what their best chances of success are in approaching non escortgirls, or even us who are trying to have a social life outside of it. . So I'm not going to let the bottom-orientated guys totally take over and see them trying to convince all the guys that they really haven't had a T-Girl experience until they've gagged on a big cock, swallowed a load, and had their ass reemed out by a monster T-girl cock! At least not without a fight

[rider014]

Now that's versatile!

I had to go back to the original topic of this thread and it seems Fantasia was wanting a top guys opinion as to what a t-girl wants, right? This has flopped to a discussion about what men want from a t-girl( I'll start that thread tonight). From a "top" guys point of view..... I have no idea what a t-girl wants! We guys are having a hard enough time figuring out what the hell we want, let alone trying to pick the mind of a t-girl. That being said, unless a guy has somewhat of a relationship outside the bedroom with a t-girl and gets to know them, they won't have a snowballs chance in hell as to knowing what they really want