Do you recall a girl who demanded a Cancellation Fee for refusing to see her?

[toban]

I have been trying to remember the name of a girl who caused a bit of discussion here some months ago by her insistence that a cancellation fee was mandatory if, at the door, anyone chose not to continue to see her. I?m not sure but I believe that fee was $80.00.

The local concern seemed to be that while she showed a few views of a fine, huge schlong there was little else to indicate what kind of beast you?d be meeting up with. She later ended up in Vancouver and the ads on SMC there had the same message. She then disappeared from both locales.

I feel that lately she may in fact have re-appeared on the Toronto scene. A new local mystery girl has posted a picture that I am almost certain was used by the girl last year.

It was about a year or year and a half ago that she began to advertise on SMC in Ontario and then B.C. later.

Can anyone remember the name she used at the time?? PM if you like.

[xoxJanexox]

Well, I did a search of the forums using "cancellation" and came up with a few threads. This seems to be the one that you are referring to: http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/showthread.php?205244-Cancellation-Fees&highlight=cancellation

Yup.

[toban]

Well, I did a search of the forums using "cancellation" and came up with a few threads. This seems to be the one that you are referring to: http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/showthread.php?205244-Cancellation-Fees&highlight=cancellation

madd but gee whiz, why didn’t I think of searching that way myself! I was just too hung up on the forgotten name I guess.

Yes, that is the girl but unfortunately since that profile is not active I can’t check the pictures she may have used then. The picture that was posted by the new mystery girl was only up for about a day and is now gone so my best bet is to abort the idea.

[TSFantasia]

madd but gee whiz, why didn’t I think of searching that way myself! I was just too hung up on the forgotten name I guess.

Yes, that is the girl but unfortunately since that profile is not active I can’t check the pictures she may have used then. The picture that was posted by the new mystery girl was only up for about a day and is now gone so my best bet is to abort the idea.

Since you started up the discussion on cancellation fees other than a SP grossly misrepresenting themselves or their services in their ads. I think a "courtesy" cancellation fee is appropriate when a client arrives or the SP arrives at their hotel room and the client has "lost their nerve" about going through with the appt. when the moment of truth arrives. They have taken up the SP's time in her preparing and travelling to the appt. She may have turned down other requests for that time frame. So if the client has left it right up to the getting to the door point before deciding they cannot go through with it then a cancellation fee should be paid to cover the SP loss of time and/or travel. And it would be dependent on the SP as to how big of a scene she would be willing to make in a hotel room hallway to get it. .

[TSFantasia]

Keyword Is Courtesy

Since you started up the discussion on cancellation fees other than a SP grossly misrepresenting themselves or their services in their ads. I think a "courtesy" cancellation fee is appropriate when a client arrives or the SP arrives at their hotel room and the client has "lost their nerve" about going through with the appt. when the moment of truth arrives. They have taken up the SP's time in her preparing and travelling to the appt. She may have turned down other requests for that time frame. So if the client has left it right up to the getting to the door point before deciding they cannot go through with it then a cancellation fee should be paid to cover the SP loss of time and/or travel. And it would be dependent on the SP as to how big of a scene she would be willing to make in a hotel room hallway to get it. .

And on a side note. I have never asked for a cancellation fee nor would I make a scene to get one. However, I have been given a courtesy cancellation fee on several occasions both by guys coming to my door and "losing their nerve" and for the same reason at guys hotel rooms. It has been $60,80 or 100. This is what they offered for wasting my time, losing their nerve, etc. not what I asked them for. In each case I usually gave an initial refusal with an "That's ok it happens". They insisted so I took it and thanked them and said that if they want to try another time I would give then an equivalent discount on a session.

Not getting into whether they were legally obligated, expected too, etc. To me this is only the difference between me being willing to accept another appt. request from that person or ignoring any future requests. On the client side this is the difference between being a gentlemen or decent guy and being an asshole! I don't get stuck with many a-holes as I usually filter them out as they can't help but give away their "I paid for you I own you" a-hole attitude in their emails, texts or calls.

[toban]

Since you started up the discussion on cancellation fees other than a SP grossly misrepresenting themselves or their services in their ads. I think a "courtesy" cancellation fee is appropriate when a client arrives or the SP arrives at their hotel room and the client has "lost their nerve" about going through with the appt. when the moment of truth arrives. They have taken up the SP's time in her preparing and travelling to the appt. She may have turned down other requests for that time frame. So if the client has left it right up to the getting to the door point before deciding they cannot go through with it then a cancellation fee should be paid to cover the SP loss of time and/or travel. And it would be dependent on the SP as to how big of a scene she would be willing to make in a hotel room hallway to get it. .

I don?t see how anyone can legitimately disagree with you Fantasia. Again, this is a case of both parties to the transaction following the old ?Golden Rule? i.e. treat others as you would like others to treat you.

Probably the expectation of some recompense is not out of line since considerable time and effort has likely been spent by a girl and in the case of outcalls, travel will have taken place while other opportunities could have been turned down or missed.

[Guest]

Hi toban,

When i say "you" i mean men, in general.

I agree with Fantasia.

I do not charge a "cancellation fee" per se, BUT i do always ask for i guess what can be called "a reservation fee" in order for me to agree to go through the process of preparing myself, and cancelling other things in my schedule in order to meet the gentlemen.
Heck, it's going to be my money, right? So, pony up a portion of it, in advance, to prove to me that you are serious about meeting me.

I have been an escort for nine years and Oct 2014 will be my tenth year.
I, first, joined tgirlforums back in 2005, even though my profile states otherwise, it was 2005. I started sex working in 2004.
See this ancient quote from way back then and look when it was quoted.
http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/showth...3618#post73618

Anyway, being stood up is the ultimate worst thing to go through. All the preparations the girls go though, clearing the schedule of already made plans, telling other guys that time slot has been booked, which sends him to another escort in most cases.

Why do men stand up escorts?...well, unless the guy is truly fixed on meeting with a certain girl, men are usually always shopping around for a better (less expensive) deal. So they make several dates with many girls and see which one lowers her rate to suite his (usually) meager budget. Then, he goes to meet the cheap girl and the other ones are all left waiting by the door like fools.

I spent my first year waiting by the door like a fool so many times. It was so DEPRESSING and humiliating.
I've found that eight out of ten men will be a no show, in general. When she finally meets a guy that shows up, she already feels jaded, and, kind of, treats the guy coldly - even though HE showed up - the eight no-shows ruined her mood and her desire.
So, you get a girl who is "not there with you", she's watching the clock, answering her phone during the session, rushing you to finish and charging extra for this and extra for that...is that what you guys want??

So, i began to look at the GG escort sites, as i was a member of merb.ca before ever coming to a t-girl site, and i began looking at how they did business.
In merb, i was talking to many of the upscale GG SPs.
Many of the upscale GGs want to see your driver's license and your phone number and everything. Many of them ask for cancellation fees and some ask for reservation fees.

No one refuses me on sight when they arrive. So, i never worry about being refused at the door.
But eight out of ten of them never even get to my door because they either got cold feet at the last minute, found a better deal, felt too tired, drank too much, fell sleep, had a business dinner with their boss or a client, was expected to attend a last minute business meeting, went out with the boys instead, or just thought that i would wait all night long. Some men used to show up an hour late - and the excuses go on for miles. I've heard them all, in nine years.
Some reasons/excuses are true, yes, but, the girl was still stood up, still told other guys she can't meet them, and cancelled other plans to meet you.
And all i got the next day when i emailed them to ask politely (because i am always polite with "clients") "What happened?" was a, cold, uncaring, "Sorry, something came up. See ya next time." response, and never heard from them, again.
Wow, what major waste of my time, efforts, and make up.

In order not to poop on your dicks, we have to watch what we eat so our system is empty, and stay empty. So i've missed nutritious meals waiting for no shows. What do i get for my trouble? Nothing! You're serious? A lame excuse? Just a dumb "hooker", right?
Well, not me. I ask for an advanced portion of my donation. He can pay it on paypal or he can email me the funds or drop it off in my bank account at any bank branch across Canada.
I often tell gentlemen to get a prepaid, pay-as-you-go credit card to avoid a wife or GF seeing money being paid out to suspicious accounts. Pre paid cards are paid in advance and gives the gentleman more freedom as there are no credit card statements mailed out - it's all been paid in advance.

If the gentleman has to cancel, he must cancel, at the latest, three hours (by telephone) before our scheduled date.
We can, then, arrange another date at a later time, and i won't ask for another advanced partial donation as it's been done, already. At that point (with the money already in my account), i know i am dealing with a true gentleman who respects and values my time and efforts.

If the guy doesn't call to cancel and leaves me standing at the door, knowing the consequences, i keep his money and he will have to repeat the process again if he wants to meet me.
I, generally, never ask a gentleman to pay the advance twice if he shows up the first time because i know once they meet me, they will be eager to meet me again and they will not be willing to ruin the trust we have established.

Still, once in a long while, when a certain guy sounds so sincere, and kind, and trustworthy, and explains about the forbidden paper trail and the jealous wife who checks everything and blah blah blah. I trust him, ONLY to be stood up again.

It happened to me two weeks ago. I was so furious with myself for not remembering the anger i used to feel when i was stood up in my first year.
I let the advanced portion slide because he sounded so sincere with me, telling me, "When i make an appointment, i keep it. That is a promise." And even though i've heard that one a thousand million times, i trusted him because he was Italian with a heavy accent and i know the Europeans are pretty good at keeping their word, and me, being half Italian, i felt sure of him, because Italians abroad usually trust Italians.

He even called me two hours before to confirm our date, telling me he will arrive early and call me fifteen minutes before our date.
And then, he didn't even show up, and even though i gave him my phone number, he didn't even call me to cancel. So, i called his number a couple of times thinking he can't find the door or something, or is on the wrong street. I got his voice mail (i don't leave voice mail messages).
So, i called again every five minutes starting at ten minutes to the hour, thinking he couldn't find his phone or whatever.
When i kept getting his voice mail, i knew something was up. I was beside myself, in anger, thinking i was being stood up after he wholeheartedly promised to show up no matter what, and he made me trust him.

We were supposed to meet at 6pm, i called him starting at five minutes before the hour of six pm.
Then, at 6:10pm, to my HORROR, i saw a frikken email from HIM telling me that something happened and that he was at the hospital and he can't talk. He, also, wrote he was sorry and that he will pay me for this.

I found it all really odd that he could send me a text. I knew he was not in an accident, or else he could not have been able to have sent the text. A simple phone call would have been much easier.
He backed out at the last minute using a hospital as an excuse.

What kind of unfeeling monster would i be if i complained, with him in a hospital, right?
I knew if i started bitching about my time being wasted and his broken promise, that he would accuse me of being a monster.

So, i responded with a concerned tone to my email, and told him to call me as soon as possible to let me know if he's alright or if anything serious happened (i knew nothing bad happened). And i told him that it's okay and not to worry, and i thanked him for his understanding and kindness for saying that he will pay me anyway.

I told him, seeing as he now knows my address and phone number that he can call me up, any time, to tell me when he can pass by to drop off a compensation envelope into my postal mailbox, and i told him to drop off the envelope and then ring the bell three times and just leave. That way, i know the envelope is there and that he has left.
Did he ever call me back? No.
Was i ever compensated? No.
Did i call to bother him about his broken promise or to give him a piece of my mind? Hell, no.
Did i send any more emails to him? Hell, no.
Will i agree to meet him IF he ever contacts me, again? Only if he compensates me, in advance as described above, for his no show performance.
Will i ever agree to meet another guy who sincerely and whole heartedy promises with a "cross my heart and hope to die" type of "promise to appear" without an advanced partial payment? No.

Do you guys think i make money by taking the advanced partial payment (the "reservation fee") and then not meet the guy?
Do you think i sit in my little corner counting the money over and over again, thinking i am in the clear with being a thief or a dishonest girl?
THAT would be the stupidest thing a working girl could do because the guy could always say i stole from him and no one would trust me.

I have even sent money BACK because one guy wanted a date with me (after he paid me the advance) but he called me like a week later and wanted to meet me that same night in a rush rush appointment (which was a last minute date, which i don't do).
So, when he never contacted me again. I had to email him to ask him if he wanted his deposit back, and he said "yes".
Pfft, i promptly sent him back his money. I don't need bad things said about me. The miniscule portion i ask for in advance is simply not worth losing my good reputation over.

So, i receive less un-serious emails now, big deal.
At least my time is not being wasted by time-wasting dreamers. I don't care. I have time for me, and i can keep my schedule without some joker wannabees wasting my time and putting me in a constant bad mood, where i end up acting curt with the really serious gentlemen.
I'd rather be contacted by smart, intelligent, respectful men who know how the world works, instead of being contacted by the selfish half wits who think we girls have no right to be respected. So when a guy contacts me and refuses to pony up a partial donation to convince me he is really serious about meeting me, i kindly say," No, thank you".

I have no time to be toyed with like THAT, i have things to do, a life to live, and if any of you guys or gentlemen want to meet me, you can be 100% certain that when you pay the advanced partial donation, i will want the balance of the full donation when you finally arrive, so i will happily meet you, all scrubbed and clean with minty breath and with a clean yummy bum bun for you to lick and screw and finger, and i will do everything that we agreed on, as promised, because i want you to come back again and again and again. I don't do this business to make mistakes. However, i am not here to be treated with disrespect, either, just because a large portion of you men are used to making deals with freezing street girls while you sit in your warm cars asking for deals.

I wonder how many of the forum guys, here, actually meet the girls. It seems to me that most of you are only here for the free porn. As if there are not enough free shemale porn sites on the web.
It does nothing for my business or income and i doubt free porn helps any of the girls, here.

I think the girls should be who they say they are, and the gentlemen should NOT be rushing into dates at the last second and expecting heaven to be waiting behind the door without researching the girls, first. You can't rely just on reviews, either, as there are many shills who lie.
That's why i decided to make a speaking video of myself here,
http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/showth...olidays-to-you
so the men can see how my voice sounds, and to show that i am the same person as in my escort listings.
And, by the way,"gentlemen" i am not impressed by many of you not wishing me Happy Holidays in that thread.

Anyhoo, that's my five cents on the matter of this "girls against the guys" cancellation fee discussion.

Much love and mutual respect,
Babe,
xoxo

[Tia Phoenixx]

cancellation fee is necessary, especially for some of us, who do advanced prebooking.
When a client book a session, he has to do his best to make it to his appointment.
As Fantasia mentioned above, let say a particular escort has booked a session at 2 pm on Sunday for a particular client, and she has refused three prospective clients who wanted to see her on a particular time and date, and suddenly last minute the client does not show up.
then not only she does not have anybody at the time, but also it's usually too late to replace his place, thus her time needs to be reimbursed.

Things like accidents or traffic or other things happen from time to time, but these things have to be backed up with proof (photo or letter)

For instance, if somebody cancels his appointment with me, and his reason is accident, I will ask him to take a picture of his wrecked car with a piece of paper written date on the accident (ex: accident Dec.25 2013), to make sure that it is a true accident with a photo proof, and not a random photo he takes from the internet.

Most of the time, the clients lie, but in few occasions, they are really honest.
In 8 years of my career, i've had only 4 cancellations due to accident related cases, the rest are simply lie.
For those who lie, they have to transfer 500 to my account, otherwise they become my time waster.
It's a lesson not to play game with me. I take my appointment very seriously.

Yes, i can be tough too if necessary, but most of the time...i'm nice.

I never have an experience that the client gets a nerve breakdown and cancels the session, the moment they see me, so i can't comment on that.
Usually, the moment they see me and once i touch their dick, they upgrade the session to a vip lol (i'm just being naughty, but honest here).

and btw, due to my popularity in USA, i no longer answer phone call. Everybody has to leave a voicemail, and I only respond to those who sound genuine and polite.
If i don;t trust them 100%, I ask them to send their photo with a piece of paper saying "HI" beside their face to make sure that they are genuine and serious, and too avoid having time waster, potentially dangerous client or worse, a cop (remember that escorting is still illegal in USA and some part of the world).

my 2 cents

[Tia Phoenixx]

and one last thing, here is my advice for some of us who do advanced prebooking:

try to have some waiting list clients.
Let's say we have booked a session with a client at 2 pm on Sunday, and there are two other clients want to see us at particular time and date, then I will tell them, either: they are on the waiting list and I will call them if the client who books me does not show up, or are they willing to bid on me on that particular time and date.
There are few occasions, a wealthy client who has very limited time, bid for 1000. In this particular occasion, i sometime wish that client does not show up, so i can see that wealthy client for 1000 an hour LOL

[TSFantasia]

Do You Have Any Binoculars? LOL

and one last thing, here is my advice for some of us who do advanced prebooking:

try to have some waiting list clients.
Let's say we have booked a session with a client at 2 pm on Sunday, and there are two other clients want to see us at particular time and date, then I will tell them, either: they are on the waiting list and I will call them if the client who books me does not show up, or are they willing to bid on me on that particular time and date.
There are few occasions, a wealthy client who has very limited time, bid for 1000. In this particular occasion, i sometime wish that client does not show up, so i can see that wealthy client for 1000 an hour LOL

Tia your are on different level than most of the girls slugging it out in the trenches for the 1/2 hr and 1hr appts in the streets. If you have a pair of binoculars you may be able to see them from out your penthouse window...LOL. Your dealing with a different class of guy and sophistication level. As Babe said most girls in cities like Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, etc. are competing for the nickel and dime guys, who are shopping around for the best deal and could care less if they leave a SP hanging with NO notice, NO excuse and definitely NO compensation. Any requirements or expectations from the SP like pre-booking advances, personal ID verification, cancellation fees is thought to be totally unreasonable and they will just go to someone else. So for myself like I said it's just a courtesy. The only thing I would request pre-booking advance pymts for would be things like full evening bookings, weekends, etc. as I have to refuse all appt requests for that evening or weekend.
Haven't had any bidding wars over a time slot just lots of bartering..lol.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Tia your are on different level than most of the girls slugging it out in the trenches for the 1/2 hr and 1hr appts in the streets. If you have a pair of binoculars you may be able to see them from out your penthouse window...LOL. Your dealing with a different class of guy and sophistication level. As Babe said most girls in cities like Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, etc. are competing for the nickel and dime guys, who are shopping around for the best deal and could care less if they leave a SP hanging with NO notice, NO excuse and definitely NO compensation. Any requirements or expectations from the SP like pre-booking advances, personal ID verification, cancellation fees is thought to be totally unreasonable and they will just go to someone else. So for myself like I said it's just a courtesy. The only thing I would request pre-booking advance pymts for would be things like full evening bookings, weekends, etc. as I have to refuse all appt requests for that evening or weekend.
Haven't had any bidding wars over a time slot just lots of bartering..lol.

Oh...you are so refreshing. I'm so sorry for being too blunt then. I hope i don't offend anybody by my comments.

Nevertheless, don;t give up lower over price over those clients.
I hate if somebody bargains my rate, they are for sure not a good, respectful client and we should avoid seeing them.

Btw, i disagree if Toronto's clients are cheap. that's not in my case.
but again, it's probably only on my personal case.

[TSFantasia]

Oh...you are so refreshing. I'm so sorry for being too blunt then. I hope i don't offend anybody by my comments.

Nevertheless, don;t give up lower over price over those clients.
I hate if somebody bargains my rate, they are for sure not a good, respectful client and we should avoid seeing them.

Btw, i disagree if Toronto's clients are cheap. that's not in my case.
but again, it's probably only on my personal case.

There are good respectable clients everywhere and they rarely cancel, have real reasons when they do, and are the ones who insist I accept a cancellation gift. They are also the one's who I have to tell after several follow-up emails to quit apologizing..it happens ..lol. My experience is different than Babes as I have very few cancels or no shows. Though there are travelling girls almost every week I'm the only one who lives here 24/7 so they don't want to piss me off and have me shut the door to them.

[Tia Phoenixx]

There are good respectable clients everywhere and they rarely cancel, have real reasons when they do, and are the ones who insist I accept a cancellation gift. They are also the one's who I have to tell after several follow-up emails to quit apologizing..it happens ..lol. My experience is different than Babes as I have very few cancels or no shows. Though there are travelling girls almost every week I'm the only one who lives here 24/7 so they don't want to piss me off and have me shut the door to them.

very good. Clients love girls who are smart and strong.....trust me.
Most of my clients do not cancel, and if they cancel, they should have a strong, real reason for that, otherwise i won't see them any more.

I've just read what Babe has written...and I'm sad.

You might be right, i might "live" in a "castle" and tend to forget the reality.
I've just got the news from one of my clients that Toronto has no electricity for 4 days, without them telling me, i even don't know that.

So, i'm sorry for being somewhat arrogant on my statement. Actually, i'm not. I'm just naive in some ways.

Most of the time, i'm so busy, i don;t even have time to read the news or watch TV. sad but true.

Today, is an exceptionally quiet because it's Christmas day, and I only had 2 clients, so i have plenty of time, exploring the internet.

If I were Babe, I would quit escorting years ago.
As a matter of fact, I will quit doing it full time the moment i earn less than a grand a day (i'm just being honest here, but yet, i tell you the figure since i want you girls to follow my advice as well).

Escorting is a very tough profession. It will make us cold and tough, especially if we are a low end escort.
I'm still here because, surprisingly i'm still in demand, though i'm ready to retire any time if the market does not like me anymore.
But the market, especially the US market thinks i'm half goddess. Clients just keep coming to see me like water.

Honestly, i'm afraid to work in Canada after reading this thread. Will i make it in my own country?
I'm not too sure now. I've been gone too long.

5 years ago, my lowest income was 7K a week. That's the lowest as far as i remember and that's roughly 1k earning per day. I remember i was pissed earning that low.

So girls, thank you for opening my eyes.

[TSFantasia]

very good. Clients love girls who are smart and strong.....trust me.
Most of my clients do not cancel, and if they cancel, they should have a strong, real reason for that, otherwise i won't see them any more.

I've just read what Babe has written...and I'm sad.

You might be right, i might "live" in a "castle" and tend to forget the reality.
I've just got the news from one of my clients that Toronto has no electricity for 4 days, without them telling me, i even don't know that.

So, i'm sorry for being somewhat arrogant on my statement. Actually, i'm not. I'm just naive in some ways.

Most of the time, i'm so busy, i don;t even have time to read the news or watch TV. sad but true.

Today, is an exceptionally quiet because it's Christmas day, and I only had 2 clients, so i have plenty of time, exploring the internet.

If I were Babe, I would quit escorting years ago.
As a matter of fact, I will quit doing it full time the moment i earn less than a grand a day (i'm just being honest here, but yet, i tell you the figure since i want you girls to follow my advice as well).

Escorting is a very tough profession. It will make us cold and tough, especially if we are a low end escort.
I'm still here because, surprisingly i'm still in demand, though i'm ready to retire any time if the market does not like me anymore.
But the market, especially the US market thinks i'm half goddess. Clients just keep coming to see me like water.

Honestly, i'm afraid to work in Canada after reading this thread. Will i make it in my own country?
I'm not too sure now. I've been gone too long.

5 years ago, my lowest income was 7K a week. That's the lowest as far as i remember and that's roughly 1k earning per day. I remember i was pissed earning that low.

So girls, thank you for opening my eyes.

Well I'm sure you would do fine and there are girls who are doing well here mostly by always being on the road and being young,gorgeous, stacked and hung doesn't hurt either. It may just be my perception but I think the market in most major centres is heavily favoured towards the hung dominant tops. But that may just be my perception. Sounds like you have built your business wisely and established a loyal clientele base, so if what your doing works DON'T fix it! I haven't decided to do the touring thing but may do some next Spring if I don't get my SRS first

[Tia Phoenixx]

Babe, i'm terribly sorry for my statement.
Trust me girl, i like your comments, they are sweet and honest. All of them...seriously.

Oh...i'm so silly and naive sometimes, without thinking first before writing something.

I was just expressing myself when i wrote it.

I felt for you hon. It must be terrible to wait for clients who never come...you even had to suffer by not eating and kept waiting.

Please don't feel offended. I love you all. We are a big family here.

please forgive me