Petition for LGBT rights in Canada

[xoxJanexox]

Being grouped with the wrong people is the reason our needs are not met as our needs differ greatly from those of that community.

The benefits we receive are greatly outweighed by the confusion regarding our issues. Our issues are not issues of the LGB community. We have issues regarding founding for surgery, tax breaks for these things. This issues will never be handled by the LGB community.

Historically there was a need to amalgamate the trans community with LGB community, but I don't see that there is a continual need for this. In fact, the whole amalgamation of the gender expression issue with sexual orientation issue is confusing to the mainstream.

This opinion has nothing to do with the petition which is based on basic human rights principles.

[Guest]

Correction

Hi all,

Fantasia did a nice thing by reposting the petition site link in her network but when i clicked on the link in her post, it didn't work for some reason.

So, i am reposting the link again to avoid any confusion,

Babe,
xoxo

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takea...=20712905#sign

Join the Fight for International LGBT Rights

• author: New Democratic Party of Canada
• target: Stephen Harper's Conservatives
• signatures: 6,427

we've got 6,427 signatures, help us get to 10,000
Stephen Harper's Conservatives joined Russia and other countries with disgraceful records on LGBT rights and skipped the highest-level UN meeting ever held on the issue. Once again, Conservatives are failing when it comes to international LGBT rights.

It is critical that Canada participates in international efforts to protect LGBT rights and to counter homophobic and transphobic attitudes across the globe.

Seventy-six countries still criminalize consensual adult same-sex relationships. Canada must be a part of the fight for LGBT rights. Sign the petition calling on the Canadian government to join the UN LGBT Core Group immediately.

[toban]

An outsiders opinion FWIW

In my opinion, Shyla and xxxJanexxx have the right idea here. I am not really affected by this situation, so my opinion does not mean much I suppose but it seems to me that by continuing the association with the LGBT group the Transgender community would be getting themselves involved in the group's many ongoing controversies which actually matter little or not at all to themselves. The major commonality between the issues of the two groups seems to be that in both they are of a sexual nature but the major problems of each are quite unique, not common!

So the Gay community has it's own unique problems that need attention and IMO they are best suited to look for solutions to those problems in particular. The Transgender community has very different issues so would it not be better for this community to use it's own resources to wage it's own battles to ensure it's own specific issues and problems are handled with the highest priority! In the end it comes down to:

To make sure you win it's best to fight your own battles!

[Guest]

United we stand, divided we fall.

Hi all

What i am saying is, i think it's better for the TGs to be a part of a larger LGBT community that fights for all rights in that community instead of the TGs partitioning themselves out of that community just because it's associated with gays and lesbians, too, just because people will think TGs are gays, lesbians or bisexuals. Geez!

Many male-to-female TGs are trans-bisexual (i am one of those) as i like cis women, m-f TGs and straight men.
Many others are straight-trans (like Tia is because she likes cis-men only and maybe one day she will meet a female-to-male TG who sweeps her off of her feet).
Then we have some male-to-female TGs who only like other male-to-female TGs and cis women,which makes them trans-lesbians.

Oh, but wait, what about the male-to-female TG who is in a relationship with a female-to-male TG?
Getting confused yet?

Okay, let's get even more confusing!

Let's not forget the trans-men who are the female-to-male TGs, they exist, also.
Many of them like male-to-female TGs, and some like only cis women which makes them straight-trans.
Many female-to-male TGs are trans-gay because they like only men and other female-to-male TGs.
Many female-to-male TGs prefer cis woman and cis men and other female-to-male TGs, and that makes them trans-bisexuals.

Let's go one confusing step further, now.
What about the gender-queers who get involved with any one else in OUR big LGBT community like, maybe the cross dressers or transvestites? What then? Create another little separate group just for them?
What?...now someone will suggest that we don't want to be in that group with the CDs and TVs, and gender-queers and suggest they will have to form THEIR own private little community because only the male-to-female TGs deserve all the special attention, or something? Wow! Take off the blinders and see the whole panarama
as it really exists.
Remember what i said when i mentioned the rear-view mirror in a previous post in this thread? So sad!

That's why the LGBT community is what it is. It is there to represent ALL the VARIOUS shades of grey which exists in OUR very confusing LGBT community, and it includes all of OUR, and their, differing coloured linings, trimmings, hats, shoes, kerchiefs, bandanas and flags.

If we all stand united, we're an army, making lots of noise and having more demands and making more progress. faster - hopefully.
If we are lucky enough, we can confuse the politicians out of their boring minds and make them give us whatever we want - they'll have to, one day. if we are a huge mob holding up signs demanding JUSTICE and FREEDOM OF CHOICE and expression because NO MATTER WHAT WE ALL ARE, as different as we all are, we all have ONE thing in common: WE are all human and children of God the Creator who does not make mistakes.

Once we win the fight for OUR rights as a whole LGBT community, then we can taper off and create little sub groups which we basically already have done within our LGBT communites, BUT the trans community is one very, very frikken confusing bunch of people to separate into little voiceless groups.
So LGBT is has to be.
As i said in a previous post, united we will stand, and divided we WILL fall.

The most famous strategy a government uses against people demanding change is to get them all bickering amongst themselves.
We can't even agree that we're part of a gay, lesbian, bi and trans group - knock knock, hello?

Wanting to separate from OUR overall HUGE community is a GIANT step in the WRONG direction.

ALL TGs are either gay, lesbian, straight or bisexual, and so are the transmen, and so are the androgynous group, and so are the gender-queers and so on and etc etc etc ad nauseam.
So, forget about the cis-male on cis-male gays and cis-female on cis-female lesbians, and the cis-female and cis- male bisexuals, and all the hetro and gay CDs and TVs and the all the rest...WE ARE A COMMUNITY, like it or not.

Jeepers! Stop staring in the bathroom mirror so much, snapping photos, thinking it's only you who exists.

I hope you all have signed the LGBT petition and will sign every other petition that will EVER pop up as time goes on.
It's the way it works to make changes in the world, step by step - this is how things change.
Even if we don't see any real changes in our lifetimes, we will have had still contributed our MEANINGFUL and individual marks for all the future LGBTranssexual community members who, RIGHT NOW, as i type and as you read, are being born; attending kindergarden; grade school; high school; college; university.
Many are being bullied and beat up because they're different.
Some are being gang-raped and murdered; many are being fired from their jobs; being evicted from their apartments; denied employment; and being denied life saving medical care; many are still being shunned by family; many are being abused by police, and even put into the wrong jails; others are living on the streets and are becoming addicted to drugs and being forced into prostituting themselves for $20 for full-service sex acts because mom and dad pushed them out of the door and they are desperate for money.
Many are committing suicide because they feel lost and so alone and ashamed.
All this can change fs society would be "forced" or inspired or encouraged to accept the LGBTs, and live and let others live. We have so many talented, creative people who straight hetro-sexual people worship.

It's a hard-knock life, bois and girls. Some of you know that more than others.
Some of you are lucky to have loving families who accept your changes, and still, some of you will not sign a petition designed to make it better just because it's linked to gays, lesbians and bisexuals when even the TG community is full of trans-gays, trans-lesbians and trans-bisexuals, CDs, TVs, androgynous individuals, and gender-queers all of whom make up your own TG community.
Well, it's no wonder why it's a such hard-knock life for our trans community with that discriminatory, uncaring, and selfish attitude which causes a reluctance to unify for the greater cause.

I don't know why some of you think the 'LGBT community' includes only cis-Lesbians, only cis-Gays, only good old-fashioned Bisexuals, and, of course, only the male-to-female Transgenders.
News flash - if that's what you think LGBT stands for, then that's a very narrow scope of the whole situation.

I love you.
Babe,
xoxo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZB96cvBjy8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw6eVt_EO48

[greep]

transbisexuals? wow thats pretty specific, lol.

So who representing the 'geneticstraightbi' crowd?


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[Guest]

.................................... ..Greep
Babe --->

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[TSFantasia]

Equal Rights not Special Rights

I think it just comes down to equal rights for all citizens and not special rights for any particular group.

I don't necessarily agree with governments having to fund SRS or other feminizing procedures for transgenders, as this is
special rights not equal rights. Do cis gendered women get funding for breast implants, feminizing cosmetic procedures,
hair transplants, etc. when they have not been blessed with natural feminine attributes?

Too many people tag themselves TG start to transition with no considerations of the costs of achieving their goal then cry that they are being discriminated against if the government doesn't foot the entire bill. This is like someone heading out to scale Mt. Everest in hiking boots and a lunch in their knap sack. Then expecting the government to airlift them to the peak via helicopter when they get stranded a few thousand feet up (yes I know helicopters can't go that high).

So I do agree with the petition and equal rights for everyone in the LGBTQI community. There are always going to be some special considerations for each part of that group to workout as a distinct group,but doesn't mean we shouldn't be united on the basic equal human and civil rights issue.

[Guest]

Clarifications

Hi Fantasia,

To include intersexed individuals is also another group of people who belong to the LGBT community and they create one more shade of grey to make it even more confusing.

Let me add just one more group: Pansexual individuals

There's so many shades of grey in this vast community.
What an army we have. WOW!! Why separate and make the community weaker?

Babe,
xoxo
P.S.
I edited my previous post to clarify some important things.
I am reposting the entire post into this post so people can read the changes before it gets overlooked.

Hi all

What i am saying is, i think it's better for the TGs to be a part of a larger LGBT community that fights for all rights in that community instead of the TGs partitioning themselves out of that community just because it's associated with gays and lesbians, too, just because people will think TGs are gays, lesbians or bisexuals. Geez!

Many male-to-female TGs are trans-bisexual (i am one of those) as i like cis women, m-f TGs and straight men.
Many others are straight-trans (like Tia is because she likes cis-men only and maybe one day she will meet a female-to-male TG who sweeps her off of her feet).
Then we have some male-to-female TGs who only like other male-to-female TGs and cis women,which makes them trans-lesbians.

Oh, but wait, what about the male-to-female TG who is in a relationship with a female-to-male TG?
Getting confused yet?

Okay, let's get even more confusing!

Let's not forget the trans-men who are the female-to-male TGs, they exist, also.
Many of them like male-to-female TGs, and some like only cis women which makes them straight-trans.
Many female-to-male TGs are trans-gay because they like only men and other female-to-male TGs.
Many female-to-male TGs prefer cis woman and cis men and other female-to-male TGs, and that makes them trans-bisexuals.

Let's go one confusing step further, now.
What about the gender-queers who get involved with any one else in OUR big LGBT community like, maybe the cross dressers or transvestites? What then? Create another little separate group just for them?
What?...now someone will suggest that we don't want to be in that group with the CDs and TVs, and gender-queers and suggest they will have to form THEIR own private little community because only the male-to-female TGs deserve all the special attention, or something? Wow! Take off the blinders and see the whole panarama as it really exists.
Remember what i said when i mentioned the rear-view mirror in a previous post in this thread? So sad!

That's why the LGBT community is what it is. It is there to represent ALL the VARIOUS shades of grey which exists in OUR very confusing LGBT community, and it includes all of OUR, and their, differing coloured linings, trimmings, hats, shoes, kerchiefs, bandanas and flags.

If we all stand united, we're an army, making lots of noise and having more demands and making more progress. faster - hopefully.
If we are lucky enough, we can confuse the politicians out of their boring minds and make them give us whatever we want - they'll have to, one day. if we are a huge mob holding up signs demanding JUSTICE and FREEDOM OF CHOICE and expression because NO MATTER WHAT WE ALL ARE, as different as we all are, we all have ONE thing in common: WE are all human and children of God the Creator who does not make mistakes.

Once we win the fight for OUR rights as a whole LGBT community, then we can taper off and create little sub groups which we basically already have done within our LGBT communites, BUT the trans community is one very, very frikken confusing bunch of people to separate into little voiceless groups.
So LGBT is has to be.
As i said in a previous post, united we will stand, and divided we WILL fall.

The most famous strategy a government uses against people demanding change is to get them all bickering amongst themselves.
We can't even agree that we're part of a gay, lesbian, bi and trans group - knock knock, hello?

Wanting to separate from OUR overall HUGE community is a GIANT step in the WRONG direction.

ALL TGs are either gay, lesbian, straight or bisexual, and so are the transmen, and so are the androgynous group, and so are the gender-queers and so on and etc etc etc ad nauseam.
So, forget about the cis-male on cis-male gays and cis-female on cis-female lesbians, and the cis-female and cis- male bisexuals, and all the hetro and gay CDs and TVs and the all the rest...WE ARE A COMMUNITY, like it or not.

Jeepers! Stop staring in the bathroom mirror so much, snapping photos, thinking it's only you who exists.

I hope you all have signed the LGBT petition and will sign every other petition that will EVER pop up as time goes on.
It's the way it works to make changes in the world, step by step - this is how things change.
Even if we don't see any real changes in our lifetimes, we will have had still contributed our MEANINGFUL and individual marks for all the future LGBTranssexual community members who, RIGHT NOW, as i type and as you read, are being born; attending kindergarden; grade school; high school; college; university.
Many are being bullied and beat up because they're different.
Some are being gang-raped and murdered; many are being fired from their jobs; being evicted from their apartments; denied employment; and being denied life saving medical care; many are still being shunned by family; many are being abused by police, and even put into the wrong jails; others are living on the streets and are becoming addicted to drugs and being forced into prostituting themselves for $20 for full-service sex acts because mom and dad pushed them out of the door and they are desperate for money.
Many are committing suicide because they feel lost and so alone and ashamed.
All this can change if society would be "forced" or inspired or encouraged to accept the LGBTs, and live and let others live. We have so many talented, creative people who straight hetro-sexual people worship.

It's a hard-knock life, bois and girls. Some of you know that more than others.
Some of you are lucky to have loving families who accept your changes, and still, some of you will not sign a petition designed to make it better just because it's linked to gays, lesbians and bisexuals when even the TG community is full of trans-gays, trans-lesbians and trans-bisexuals, CDs, TVs, androgynous individuals, and gender-queers all of whom make up your own TG community
Well, it's no wonder why it's a such hard-knock life for our trans community with that discriminatory, uncaring, and selfish attitude which causes a reluctance to unify for the greater cause.

I don't know why some of you think the 'LGBT community' includes only cis-Lesbians, only cis-Gays, only good old-fashioned Bisexuals, and, of course, only the male-to-female Transgenders.
News flash - if that's what you think LGBT stands for, then you're only seeing one small part of the whole picture.

I love you.
Babe,
xoxo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZB96cvBjy8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw6eVt_EO48

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[TSFantasia]

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I prefer to say all the colours of the rainbow as there is nothing dull or grey about human sexuality and gender expression

Equal rights for every citizen and equal protection under the law and before the courts from violence or discrimination based on
either their sexual orientation or their gender identity or expression

[Guest]

Yea that's it.

Hi Fantasia,

Yes, i agree with that.

Babe,
xoxo

[TSFantasia]

Crossdressing & Transvestism -Transgender??

Just as a side note though it occurs I do not think cross-dressers or transvestites should be under the transgender LGBT rights movement as it is neither a sexual orientation or a gender identity. It is a sexual FETISH just like bondage, BDSM, wearing latex, etc. etc. I don' want to see people in bondage gear, buttless chaps, etc working at the bank, daycare, hospital, etc. Neither do I want to see fetish cross dressers, TVs or drag queens outside of private clubs or shows. Fetish cross dressers and TVs ruin every transgender group I've ever been in. As every one of them tag themselves as T-girls, transgender, etc. just because they put on some lipstick , panties & nylons.

Being a trans woman has little do to with whether a person wears a wig or not or has developed or implant breasts or what stage of transition they are at. It is how they identify themselves as female. Fetish cross-dressers, transvestites, and drag queens identify themselves as male.

[toban]

Right on ! !

Hey, Fantasia, I believe that what you are suggesting is by far the best way to attack the problems!

The LGBT group’s overwhelming concern with such as sexual orientation and gender identity issues is exactly why I suggested earlier that Transgenders should deal with their own problems (fight their own fight) because they have some very unique issues of concern which will probably never be adequately considered or acted upon by a large group acting more or less as a coalition of a great many issues unrelated to your difficulties. i.e. LGBT.

I believe there will be considerably more leverage and potential action available to such a Trans group that is distinct if it would organize with some strong girls at the lead, able to deal with strength and authority. Look what only two girls did about the Prostitution laws!

Just as a side note though it occurs I do not think cross-dressers or transvestites should be under the transgender LGBT rights movement as it is neither a sexual orientation or a gender identity. It is a sexual FETISH just like bondage, BDSM, wearing latex, etc. etc. I don' want to see people in bondage gear, buttless chaps, etc working at the bank, daycare, hospital, etc. Neither do I want to see fetish cross dressers, TVs or drag queens outside of private clubs or shows. Fetish cross dressers and TVs ruin every transgender group I've ever been in. As every one of them tag themselves as T-girls, transgender, etc. just because they put on some lipstick , panties & nylons.

Being a trans woman has little do to with whether a person wears a wig or not or has developed or implant breasts or what stage of transition they are at. It is how they identify themselves as female. Fetish cross-dressers, transvestites, and drag queens identify themselves as male.

[Guest]

Another LGBT problem concerning children

http://www.care2.com/causes/utah-bil...bathrooms.html


Utah Bill Would Force Transgender Students to Use Separate Bathrooms

• by ThinkProgress
• February 1, 2014
• 12:00 pm

Written by Zach Ford and Josh Israel


A Utah state legislator filed a bill Wednesday that would prevent students from using school bathrooms that were not consistent with their biological “male or female phenotype.” By defining gender as the same as sex, it would reject the existence of gender identity and force transgender kids to either risk their safety and use the wrong bathroom or face isolation by using a separate private bathroom.

Rep. Mark Kennedy’s (R) House Bill 87 would change Utah law to prohibit students from using “a public school’s gender-segregated bathroom if the bathroom does not correspond to the student’s gender.” Kennedy told a local newspaper that the bill was a reaction to California and designed to make sure that no similar protections are given in Utah to transgender students. “We are just trying to make sure people are comfortable,” he argued.

But defining a person’s gender based on their birth certificate or a doctor’s examination of the “physical examination of the individual’s genitalia,” as his bill aims to do, would hardly accomplish that objective.

Brandie Balken, executive director of Equality Utah, told ThinkProgress that her group strongly hopes this “unnecessary and dehumanizing” bill does not move forward. Transgender people, she observed, “are average human beings who simply want to go to school or work, do their work, and go home. They simply want reasonable accommodations.” The problem with this bill and others like it that seek to discriminate against LGBT people, she noted, “is seeking to set us apart — to put us on the outside of the regular every day lives.”

Balken added that forcing transgender students to use separate bathroom facilities could have a hugely damaging impact on them emotionally. “We know this, from being kids ourselves. We all want to be included.”

Studies have shown that kids whose gender does not match their “male of female phenotype” (as defined by Kennedy) already suffer from high rates of depression and suicide attempts. The Maine Supreme Court ruled Thursday that denying bathroom access to trans students is discrimination, and judges in Colorado and California have similarly ruled on their behalf.

This post was originally published in ThinkProgress

[Guest]

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takea...=20712905#sign

Join the Fight for International LGBT Rights

• author: New Democratic Party of Canada
• target: Stephen Harper's Conservatives
• signatures: 6,503

we've got 6,503 signatures, help us get to 10,000
Stephen Harper's Conservatives joined Russia and other countries with disgraceful records on LGBT rights and skipped the highest-level UN meeting ever held on the issue. Once again, Conservatives are failing when it comes to international LGBT rights.

It is critical that Canada participates in international efforts to protect LGBT rights and to counter homophobic and transphobic attitudes across the globe.

Seventy-six countries still criminalize consensual adult same-sex relationships. Canada must be a part of the fight for LGBT rights. Sign the petition calling on the Canadian government to join the UN LGBT Core Group immediately.

[Guest]

Anyone who SELF-identifies as the opposite gender should not be forced to say they are wrong. That is discrimination.

THEY should know who they are and how they feel.

Babe,
xoxo