Why would members of this forum want to discourage people...

[northernguy222]

...from participating in the review board?

I've noticed a number of reviews that have been posted and then immediately attacked as to their validity and I just don't get it.

I originally joined these forums for the reviews and appreciate everyone who has contributed their experiences. When I read a review I can make up my own opinion and do not need or want the "shill police" to jump in and discredit the poster. I can make up my own opinion regarding those guys too, but what happens in a lot of occasions is the original poster sticks up for themselves and the useless keyboard battle ensues.

If a new member posts a review only to have it attacked, they may leave and not return.

People might not be leaving reviews just because they see how others have been treated.

[Alexis]

Not Everything Is As It Seems..

This board has been around a long time.. Things run deep here I think..

Some reviews could be fake.. some of the people calling others shill could also be shills or even tgirls..

However.. someone with even half of my knowledge of the internet could easily have a number of accounts here and get around all the security features that are in place..

I am inclined to think there's a handful of girls that have been around for some time that have figured this out and probably some newer ones too based upon some of the pattern type posting I've seen over the years.. Some of the suspect shill/fake accounts are many years old.. older than mine..

The basic pattern of a bullshit account is they sign up and then post a bunch of comments on a number of threads.. Then they bash some other tgirl(s) and next write a review or sometimes 2.. one good one bad.. I had one Provider here not too long ago accusing me of being several people here on the forum.. 1 of the supposed people I was is a client and 2 of the others have been here longer than me by years..

I can honestly say I have only one account here.. even if I do have the know how to posses many..

a coulpe years ago I had one of my reviews attacked here.. I defended my client's review as he's written other reviews of females he's seen on PERB.ca which is a big GG review board.. That's the only time that happened to me..

These days I never bother to ask anyone to write a review.. If half of my regulars wrote reviews I'd have a hundred here..

[northernguy222]

Good points Alexis.

I am certainly not so naive as to think there aren't any fake reviews...I just wish people would realize that criticizing new posters (and all they may be guilty of is being new) does a disservice to the review board.

Maybe that is their intent?

[Rockheart]

This board has been around a long time.. Things run deep here I think..

Some reviews could be fake.. some of the people calling others shill could also be shills or even tgirls..

However.. someone with even half of my knowledge of the internet could easily have a number of accounts here and get around all the security features that are in place..

I am inclined to think there's a handful of girls that have been around for some time that have figured this out and probably some newer ones too based upon some of the pattern type posting I've seen over the years.. Some of the suspect shill/fake accounts are many years old.. older than mine..

The basic pattern of a bullshit account is they sign up and then post a bunch of comments on a number of threads.. Then they bash some other tgirl(s) and next write a review or sometimes 2.. one good one bad.. I had one Provider here not too long ago accusing me of being several people here on the forum.. 1 of the supposed people I was is a client and 2 of the others have been here longer than me by years..

I can honestly say I have only one account here.. even if I do have the know how to posses many..

a coulpe years ago I had one of my reviews attacked here.. I defended my client's review as he's written other reviews of females he's seen on PERB.ca which is a big GG review board.. That's the only time that happened to me..

These days I never bother to ask anyone to write a review.. If half of my regulars wrote reviews I'd have a hundred here..

Originally on this forum there was a few girls who put many many fake reviews up.
They practically had a contest to see who could out do the others.
This is the beginning of this phenomenon was the girls and their cronies then calling out all the reviews as fakes or schills.

Since the forum has been restricted in such away that is almost impossible to get away with this and not be caught.
If you think you have been getting away with it, you may be suprised.
So in most cases the reviews are real in my opinion and research.

The true meaning of schill is to promote someone, usually that you are enamoured with.
Often they are asked to do a review or want to just help a girl out.
So there is alot of first posters.
These first time posters tend to drop off since either they just came to put the one review,
or a bunch of dickheads call them a schill.

The people calling schill far out number the fake reviews.
So you schill bots, maybe thing twice before you open your big fat mouth.
People here can think for themselves, we don't need your uninformed comments usually.

[Rockheart]

Good points Alexis.

I am certainly not so naive as to think there aren't any fake reviews...I just wish people would realize that criticizing new posters (and all they may be guilty of is being new) does a disservice to the review board.

Maybe that is their intent?

Well, fake and coerced are two different things.
I do not think there is alot of actual fake reviews, but there is probably a number of coerced ones.
Still is there anything wrong with that?

[toban]

Enlightenment please Crag!

Well, fake and coerced are two different things.
I do not think there is alot of actual fake reviews, but there is probably a number of coerced ones.
Still is there anything wrong with that?

How does one get coerced into writing a review?

Are some girls into using blackmail to wring positive reviews from their milquetoast clients maybe?

[Rockheart]

How does one get coerced into writing a review?

Are some girls into using blackmail to wring positive reviews from their milquetoast clients maybe?

Nothing so sinister as that.
Coerced is meaning a guy that normally may not join the forum and put a review, is requested to do so by a provider.
So they come on put up a review to be gentlemanly and may not be heard from again.

[Alexis]

Not their intent..

Good points Alexis.

I am certainly not so naive as to think there aren't any fake reviews...I just wish people would realize that criticizing new posters (and all they may be guilty of is being new) does a disservice to the review board.

Maybe that is their intent?

There's not many that would have a grudge at the forum itself.. a few perhaps..

Also the forum is by no means full of fake reviews.. but I'm sure there are some.. both good and bad..

As for those that are coerced.. they get told what they should write into the review.. often embellishment..

The main intent of those who collude would be their own self promotion and the demotion of their competitors..

But ya.. jumping on a newbie and saying its a fake review doesn't help things..

[toban]

I agree with northernguy222

To those who look with disdain at first time posters.

Every writer of the reviews that we all treasure on this board was at one time a first time poster. Remember guys, if there were no first time posters there would never have been any reviews ever for you to enjoy on this or any other review board. Even you who are bashing first time reviewers have been first time posters yourselves! There is always a beginning curve for every one who tackles a new task whether a simple post or a review! New contributors and reviewers are badly needed here.

Don?t drive them away! Please nurture them!

Currently the rash of immediate attacks on all new reviewers, as are taking place here lately, are a bit hard to accept. Sure, fakes may be inadvertently posted from time to time of course but why not let the administration, who are best equipped to deal with those fakes, take care of them?

[vancouverman]

...from participating in the review board?

I've noticed a number of reviews that have been posted and then immediately attacked as to their validity and I just don't get it.

I originally joined these forums for the reviews and appreciate everyone who has contributed their experiences. When I read a review I can make up my own opinion and do not need or want the "shill police" to jump in and discredit the poster. I can make up my own opinion regarding those guys too, but what happens in a lot of occasions is the original poster sticks up for themselves and the useless keyboard battle ensues.

If a new member posts a review only to have it attacked, they may leave and not return.

People might not be leaving reviews just because they see how others have been treated.

As I recently mentioned somewhere else, I haven't posted reviews because my post count is low and I would have likely been called out for putting up the three bad ones I had, and the two good ones I had (from the past 2 years). Either as shill or as competitor bashing. It does keep people away from making reviews. I have been assured that I have posted enough so this won't happen to me now, and so I will review my next experience.

I do understand the shill concerns. I have seen some user accounts with no posts make some short reviews just for the purpose of making one big one on someone they want to shill or attack. Gosh , these lovely TS girls sure feud a lot.

I can understand when a drama queen or a known drug user feud, but I don't get it when quality top shelf women on this board feud with one another (like Tia/Lucy/Lola or whomever Fantasia was arguing with). Really don't see the point of it when you are that good and should have a good business.

[northernguy222]

Glad to see I'm not alone about this

And thanks to those for posting and adding more clarity and substance to this topic in ways that I could not.

Often they are asked to do a review or want to just help a girl out.
So there is alot of first posters.

This is what I was thinking also...and I don't see what's wrong with writing a review on someone because you had a great time and want to spread the word so it helps her professionally. I personally have never been asked to do a review. In a couple of instances I have offered to write one and have respected the wishes of the SP if she wanted me to or not.

Well, fake and coerced are two different things.
I do not think there is alot of actual fake reviews, but there is probably a number of coerced ones.
Still is there anything wrong with that?

Coerced is a better term for what I was trying to say...and no I don't see anything wrong with that. I may have to read between the lines a bit when I read the review, but you can't put anything on the internet if it isn't true, right?

I haven't posted reviews because my post count is low and I would have likely been called out for putting up the three bad ones I had, and the two good ones I had (from the past 2 years). Either as shill or as competitor bashing. It does keep people away from making reviews. I have been assured that I have posted enough so this won't happen to me now, and so I will review my next experience.

This is a perfect example of the point I was trying to make and it's too bad that we have made you feel this way and I'm glad you have stuck through it all. I look forward to seeing more reviews out Vancouver way, but if I ever make it out there I already have a girl in mind.

Peace out.

[TSFantasia]

A lot of major companies now are always looking for customer feedback and reviews. Some have their website and customer review info printed on their till receipts and pointed out by the cashiers/sales associates. Many companies (ie banks, hotels, car dealerships and service centres, etc.) will have follow-up emails or even phone calls asking for customers to rate their experience and the service they received.

It's just part of doing good business partly for companies to know what customer's are happy about and that they should keep doing and also what customer's are not happy about so they can correct and improve their services/products. This is not coercion by any definition of the word!

Coercion /koʊˈɜrʃən/ is the practice of forcing another party to act in an involuntary manner by use of intimidation or threats or some other form of pressure or force, and describes a set of various different similar types of forceful actions that violate the free will of an individual to induce a desired response, usually having a strict choice or option against a person in such a way a victim can't escape, for example: a bully demanding lunch money to a student or the student gets beaten. These actions can include, but are not limited to, extortion, blackmail, torture, and threats to induce favors. In law, coercion is codified as a duress crime. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in a way contrary to their own interests. Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain/injury or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. The threat of further harm may lead to the cooperation or obedience of the person being coerced.

[Guest]

Men

Good morning, everybody,

Men are strange beings. They are almost motherly, in a way, but far too gruff - full of wood splinters and backaches, and all of that to be really "motherly".

They care for you and want you to be well and feel happy, in general.
They remember being young, themselves, or scared, alone - facing bullies, whose lives have been ruined by their own bullies from their past.


Life is rough, times are tough. Men are stressed with bitchy significant-others who are too self absorbed in their own worlds to care about "his dick".
So he sees a sexy body that wants money for sexual companionship, on the internet, or in a newspaper, whatever...he contacts that young body and has sex with it and he has a wonderful time with it. The body turned out to be a wonderful experience. The sexy body made pleasant sounds, and laughed and giggled when you pushed it's belly button and did whatever you told it to do like a robot. It becomes a Perfect World for Mr. Henpecked Husband.
By the end of the encounter, the body, then, becomes a person. A person who wants success and needs a review to get posted in a place where others can see it, evaluate her skills and then, hopefully, encourage others to meet her, too, based on her escort skills.

Now, that gentleman who just dished out 200 or more dollars for a "discreet" hour with his chosen "person" finds he is presently expected to join a website which promotes prostitution (with trannys), and literally, forces all T-johns* to "register" their IP numbers when they do sign up and sign in, in order to post a review that will not benefit himself in any way, at all, other than the sex worker's smile - and that's only if he is the regular type of client who gets to see the smile, next time.

Most gentlemen do not want to be a part of this world of these "prostitution forums" which exist.
ESPECIALLY when they find out, once they get there and have registered, just how frightfully aggressive and so unprofessionally run they are.
These gentlemen never even knew these places even existed before, and only find out about them when the girl suggests it, and then he reviews the quality of her services.
The gent unknowingly joins the site, AND don't forget, it's all because the girl was so pleasant and nice, that is why he thought the website must be pleasant and nice, too.
Face it, his dick was sucked and milked dry, his lips and tongue were massaged with her's, his hands were all over and even inside of her body, he's smelled her skin, tasted her skin, sucked on her skin, felt her softness and suppleness, felt the inside of her ass as she squeezed it tight as he pulled out before thrusting it back in, again.
The gentleman has just felt ALL of that.
Now, her voice sweetly asks for a review in a "nice, friendly" website? How is he to refuse this sweet angel in need?
He doesn't refuse.

He registers and writes the review.

It's called a, shill. There is a sudden panic amongst all the newbie members, just like him, because they don't know what the heck a shill is and why it's so bad.
When i first saw the word, myself, i thought of shingles.
Later i found out what it meant, in google.

So now, there's that really nice, sweet gentleman who only wanted a discreet encounter with a prostitute because his wife's sex life at home is drab and uneventful. And he finds himself a target of criticism and blame. People are calling him names and accusing everything to be a lie. He sees this place as a madhouse, as it must be full of screwed up drug abusing crackheads who sit at home all day long fighting and arguing over the stupidest of topics.
I am sure many of the upscale gentlemen muse to themselves about how a pretty girl brought him into a shit hole of accusations and bad management.
Kind of like a sweet schoolgirl taking a well-dressed businessman's hand and sweetly saying to him, "Follow me, it's fun in the school yard. It's full of nice "guys" just like you. Come and tell them what great sex i allowed you to have with my body, so they will want to fuck me, too."
And once he raises his hand to say, "Hi every one, i want to tell you all about what Miss Sexy So and So did with my cock.", he's doomed! The bullies, in the leather jackets, start throwing stones and screaming, "Liar!! Fucking LIAR! That can't be true!! SHILL!! SHILL!"
Some of the bullies even have breast implants and have "special", always undisclosed "privileges" on the board.
I, myself, have been on this board and suddenly received a very nasty comment from some one whose post had strange, flashing words under their fake screen name.
I tried to click on the post# (located in the upper right side of each post), so i could copy the post and report it as abuse, and couldn't - it wouldn't let me. I was not even able to "Reply with a quote", either - the system wouldn't let me.
I can't even say who it was because if they had the ability to do that sort of magic, they could easily change their screen name, or use another person's name hoping i would then attack the member who uses that name.
I wonder why such people are given "special privileges" if that's what their special privileges allow them to do.

Personally, i can't understand for the life of me, how most men would behave so hatefully towards a positive review or a sexy, new escort. Well, unless those men are doing the dirty work for a preferred girl. I have no idea - it's all beyond me.
It just seems so strange how the men are here to read reviews and discuss t-girls and stuff and yet, some of these men whose accounts are dormant for a while are the ones screaming the words, "FAKE REVIEW", "SHILL" "BAN".
Work it out with your own logic and gut feelings.

I mean, what happens here just doesn't make any "real" sense in my brain.

And then, finally, after our discreet gentleman who hired that girl, and then reviewed her like a decent gent would (EVEN if she suggests it), we see he gets treated badly by the same nasty members who seem to be the only ones doing it and yet, their accounts are not deleted, or banned to stop discouraging the new members who actually HIRE escorts and actually are willing to report back with a review about the experience.

For whatever reason why a gentleman writes and posts a reviews, know this, some of the girls feel it's their duty to recruit new members into the forum starting with a real review. It's a legitimate reason to get the men to join the forums. But i think it's pretty clear to see why most new members don't stick around for too long.
Real gentlemen don't need all that extra aggressiveness in their already hectic lives. So what if a gent pops in, drops a review, and exits for a while. He's likely to return again when he has time, well that's if he's not being bashed on his first newbie post which is a review.
And all that does when new members are chased away is give the long time members in here false, misguided feelings of being able to advise the site owner of who should be banned or what threads should be locked or who's right or wrong. They even post very hateful remarks saying that others MUST feel the same way as he does to try to get some HATE support. Seen it too many times.

The members that do make places, like this, their personal "toilet which flushes on someone else's parade, pride dignity and/or credibility", should be taken care of by the mods. Or else, people might get the WRONG idea about what this place, and others like it, are really all about.
Ah, but remember, it appears the "PAID ADVERTISING" thing can mean much more than paying for simple banner space at the top of a particular webpage, sometimes.
Stick around, try and follow the drama.

Anyway.

My nickles worth of "backwards" opinions,

* T-john is a term i think i just coined.
Meaning, "a client of Transsexual escorts".

,ebaB,
oxox

[Rockheart]

A lot of major companies now are always looking for customer feedback and reviews. Some have their website and customer review info printed on their till receipts and pointed out by the cashiers/sales associates. Many companies (ie banks, hotels, car dealerships and service centres, etc.) will have follow-up emails or even phone calls asking for customers to rate their experience and the service they received.

It's just part of doing good business partly for companies to know what customer's are happy about and that they should keep doing and also what customer's are not happy about so they can correct and improve their services/products. This is not coercion by any definition of the word!

Coercion /koʊˈɜrʃən/ is the practice of forcing another party to act in an involuntary manner by use of intimidation or threats or some other form of pressure or force, and describes a set of various different similar types of forceful actions that violate the free will of an individual to induce a desired response, usually having a strict choice or option against a person in such a way a victim can't escape, for example: a bully demanding lunch money to a student or the student gets beaten. These actions can include, but are not limited to, extortion, blackmail, torture, and threats to induce favors. In law, coercion is codified as a duress crime. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in a way contrary to their own interests. Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain/injury or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. The threat of further harm may lead to the cooperation or obedience of the person being coerced.

You are only using one definition of the word and ignoring any non-extreme meanings.

Coercion can and does me in this sense that the person did not put a review of their own free will.
They may have been asked nicely (coerced) or ordered to make a review (coerced).
If they were given a discount or extra service in exchange for giving a review (coerced)
They were harangued until they gave a review (coerced)
It was suggested it be a good idea and helpful to the person to put a review (coerced.)
You really really really want them to put a review (coerced)
You won't see them again if they don't put a review (coerced)
That bitch Stella is going to beat me if you don't put a review (coerced)
"If you love me you will put a review" (coerced)
Put a review or my boyfriend will kick your ass (coerced)
I'll go out for dinner with you if you put a review (coerced)
I'll marry you if you put up a good review of me (coerced)
I'll pay you if you put up a good review of me (coerced)
My friend will sleep with you if you put up a good review (coerced)
Coerced means convinced in some ways, not necessarily always by evil or illegal tactics.

The fact is if a client is not going to put a review on their own and you insist or ask them to do, it is partly coerced.

Not saying there is anything specifically wrong with it as all businesses would ask for a review generally.
It is in the situation where one's arm is twisted or manipulation is in play, which could be considered coerced.

[Shyla Wild]

There is really no reason to do anything. Most people can read between the lines. Here is the danger of writing fake reviews on yourself. You better be able to back up what you write about yourself. I have seen a few girls that have these amazing 10s reviews from first time posters or posters with low post counts.....then they get one from a senior member that is nothing like the rest..."The Shill is up". Fake good reviews can be as bad as a bad review and counterproductive.

As for asking for reviews....I tell people "If they are happy, they are welcome to review me." Word of mouth is a powerful tool, but I also ask members who are not active NOT to review me. I do not want the headaches. The rest of you girls that ask guys not only to sign up, but they sign up from your computers never to be seen again, are just plain asking for it and crying about it serves no purpose. Anything public is subject to Freedom of Speech. You had a review posted publicly, expect public opinion...both good and bad.

Have fun. Don't believe everything you read on the internet, learn to think for yourself and you will be fine.

Shyla