T-Girls: Transition to Womanhood or Mutant and Proud!

[Mugsammy]

Penis or no penis...that is the question

Well, I've talked about the pleasures of sex using your own penis...which is AMAZING! I do not and cannot understand why anyone would take the risk of losing one of the greatest pleasures that life can give, for something that May or may not work, and it's free!!!

As I mentioned, once it's done there's no turning back the clock...it's done! There are no freaks or mutants here...it's all in ones own head. People in general are harder on themselves not only about sexuality but careers, school, body shape, looks, etc. Things like self esteem, confidence in ones self...underlying factors as to why does a person may hate a certain part of their own body. I personally wish my head was smaller (the one sitting atop my neck!), my cock was bigger and my waist smaller. Some people still have to learn to accept who they are and love themselves first and foremost. Over the years I've had 3 girlfriends who wouldn't let me give them oral sex...why? As I eventually found out, without details, all 3 were sexually molested as children and for some reason that's the result of it.

Also...there's nothing wrong with saying things you may not agree with even yourself...create some...CRITICAL THINKING. It certainly has me thinking...and I don't have a fucking clue what the fuck I'm talking about!

[TSFantasia]

Well, I've talked about the pleasures of sex using your own penis...which is AMAZING! I do not and cannot understand why anyone would take the risk of losing one of the greatest pleasures that life can give, for something that May or may not work, and it's free!!!

As I mentioned, once it's done there's no turning back the clock...it's done! There are no freaks or mutants here...it's all in ones own head. People in general are harder on themselves not only about sexuality but careers, school, body shape, looks, etc. Things like self esteem, confidence in ones self...underlying factors as to why does a person may hate a certain part of their own body. I personally wish my head was smaller (the one sitting atop my neck!), my cock was bigger and my waist smaller. Some people still have to learn to accept who they are and love themselves first and foremost. Over the years I've had 3 girlfriends who wouldn't let me give them oral sex...why? As I eventually found out, without details, all 3 were sexually molested as children and for some reason that's the result of it.

Also...there's nothing wrong with saying things you may not agree with even yourself...create some...CRITICAL THINKING. It certainly has me thinking...and I don't have a fucking clue what the fuck I'm talking about!

Well as trans women that ship has already sailed as we do NOT accept the bodies we were born in as representative of who we are or matches our gender identity. So we are in the process of "transition" and "transformation" from a male appearance and body to a female appearance and body. I can see some stopping short of the actual SRS for health reasons, financial reasons, or concerns with outcome quality/results/complications. And to me there is a difference between transitioning from one biological sex and gender to another and what I call gender anarchy where everyone wants to make up their own ideas of what a male or female is and in fact are creating hybrids, which is what we are as "she-males" half female/half male and not fully either.

[xoxJanexox]

Well as trans women that ship has already sailed as we do NOT accept the bodies we were born in as representative of who we are or matches our gender identity. So we are in the process of "transition" and "transformation" from a male appearance and body to a female appearance and body. I can see some stopping short of the actual SRS for health reasons, financial reasons, or concerns with outcome quality/results/complications. And to me there is a difference between transitioning from one biological sex and gender to another and what I call gender anarchy where everyone wants to make up their own ideas of what a male or female is and in fact are creating hybrids, which is what we are as "she-males" half female/half male and not fully either.

Who are WE? Are you referring to your inflated ego or the hundreds of thousands of trans women across the globe who voted Fantasia to be their spokesperson?!

[Alexis]

Who are WE? Are you referring to your inflated ego or the hundreds of thousands of trans women across the globe who voted Fantasia to be their spokesperson?!

I'm pretty sure the "we" is in reference to the standard norm of those that fully transition with SRS which is what the majority do..

Those of us that don't do bottom srs eventually are less common among trans women..

In that sentence the "us" is used like the word "we" previously was..

I think those of "us" who choose to be both sexes and enjoy being both sexes could be more enlightened.. "We" see down a path with no boundaries and do not choose male or female.. "we" choose being and living as "we" are.. differences only divide us if we choose to let them..

[xoxJanexox]

I'm pretty sure the "we" is in reference to the standard norm of those that fully transition with SRS which is what the majority do..

Those of us that don't do bottom srs eventually are less common among trans women..

In that sentence the "us" is used like the word "we" previously was..

I think those of "us" who choose to be both sexes and enjoy being both sexes could be more enlightened.. "We" see down a path with no boundaries and do not choose male or female.. "we" choose being and living as "we" are.. differences only divide us if we choose to let them..

The main issue with a thread like this is it looks down upon girls who choose not to perform SRS. When the OP claims that women don't have dicks, my argument is very simple:

The vast majority of people on this planet still believe that women were born genetically as women (XX chromosome) with all the advantages that come with it, ovaries, uterus, ability to procreate as a woman. There is no surgery to fix these deficiencies.

So, in effect, all trans people could be viewed as mutant! I hate to make it sound so superficial but unfortunately when people want to define every single thing to their advantage, I find it intriguing. I personally don't view girls who choose not to have SRS to be living in both sexes status. I don't know what is in their mind and how they feel about certain parts of their body.

Trans women come in all shapes, forms, and have different views.

[TSFantasia]

The main issue with a thread like this is it looks down upon girls who choose not to perform SRS. When the OP claims that women don't have dicks, my argument is very simple:

The vast majority of people on this planet still believe that women were born genetically as women (XX chromosome) with all the advantages that come with it, ovaries, uterus, ability to procreate as a woman. There is no surgery to fix these deficiencies.

So, in effect, all trans people could be viewed as mutant! I hate to make it sound so superficial but unfortunately when people want to define every single thing to their advantage, I find it intriguing. I personally don't view girls who choose not to have SRS to be living in both sexes status. I don't know what is in their mind and how they feel about certain parts of their body.

Trans women come in all shapes, forms, and have different views.

As usual your only consistent point is in taking the most hostile, opposing view to my own. Lurking around with your vendetta because I called you a cross dresser at some point..Lol. The original post said trans woman have different starting points and finishing line goals and what mine are. In another thread you continued a vehement attack on me that I was not a "woman" as in "female" and should never represent myself as so on any dating site to do so was deceitful, fraud, phoney" because after all I had a penis/dick/male genetalia. And now here you are acting the champion for any who my be offended by my terminology.

The term "mutant" is for those who choose not to have SRS as the view that they will continue to face from society about their gender status. Jenna Talachova would have been ejected from the Miss Universe pageant had she still had male genitals no matter what her own gender identity was. People at least can accept that those who genuinely suffer from gender dsyphoria and go though the necessary process to transition completely should be accepted as women in all areas of life. For those who don't of course society is going to question the motivations for living in a female persona with no desire to complete the transition.

Feel free to dissect my sentences, pull words out of context to continue your mission All while never identifying yourself as to who you are under the transgender umbrella. Do you live in your female identity 24/7? Or does it get shoved into the closet after your sessions?
What are your transiton goals if any and why? At least Alexis and Vanessa have stated their own point of views on their transition goals instead of just attacking my views and goals.

[xoxJanexox]

As usual your only consistent point is in taking the most hostile, opposing view to my own. Lurking around with your vendetta because I called you a cross dresser at some point..Lol. The original post said trans woman have different starting points and finishing line goals and what mine are. In another thread you continued a vehement attack on me that I was not a "woman" as in "female" and should never represent myself as so on any dating site to do so was deceitful, fraud, phoney" because after all I had a penis/dick/male genetalia. And now here you are acting the champion for any who my be offended by my terminology.

The term "mutant" is for those who choose not to have SRS as the view that they will continue to face from society about their gender status. Jenna Talachova would have been ejected from the Miss Universe pageant had she still had male genitals no matter what her own gender identity was. People at least can accept that those who genuinely suffer from gender dsyphoria and go though the necessary process to transition completely should be accepted as women in all areas of life. For those who don't of course society is going to question the motivations for living in a female persona with no desire to complete the transition.

Feel free to dissect my sentences, pull words out of context to continue your mission All while never identifying yourself as to who you are under the transgender umbrella. Do you live in your female identity 24/7? Or does it get shoved into the closet after your sessions?
What are your transiton goals if any and why? At least Alexis and Vanessa have stated their own point of views on their transition goals instead of just attacking my views and goals.

As I have said before, your views are your views. You don't define what womanhood is about because it is more diverse compared to your tunneled vision of checklist that must be done in order to achieve one's goals.

Once you identify yourself to others then you may dare asking others to identify themselves. Hiding behind a shield and fitting people in little boxes of your creation is the most absurd thing to do!

My point is very clear, if you are narrow minded enough then remember that you are just lucky to live in a country which embrace diversity. Go to a third world country with SRS and you will be still viewed as a man not even mutant! Do you recognize now where the majority views can lead you?

[VanessaBell]

As usual your only consistent point is in taking the most hostile, opposing view to my own. Lurking around with your vendetta because I called you a cross dresser at some point..Lol. The original post said trans woman have different starting points and finishing line goals and what mine are. In another thread you continued a vehement attack on me that I was not a "woman" as in "female" and should never represent myself as so on any dating site to do so was deceitful, fraud, phoney" because after all I had a penis/dick/male genetalia. And now here you are acting the champion for any who my be offended by my terminology.

The term "mutant" is for those who choose not to have SRS as the view that they will continue to face from society about their gender status. Jenna Talachova would have been ejected from the Miss Universe pageant had she still had male genitals no matter what her own gender identity was. People at least can accept that those who genuinely suffer from gender dsyphoria and go though the necessary process to transition completely should be accepted as women in all areas of life. For those who don't of course society is going to question the motivations for living in a female persona with no desire to complete the transition.

Feel free to dissect my sentences, pull words out of context to continue your mission All while never identifying yourself as to who you are under the transgender umbrella. Do you live in your female identity 24/7? Or does it get shoved into the closet after your sessions?
What are your transiton goals if any and why? At least Alexis and Vanessa have stated their own point of views on their transition goals instead of just attacking my views and goals.

You don't seriously believe that the vast majority of people who would discriminate against you pre-op are going to suddenly accept you post-op, do you? Because if you do, you may be in for a bit of a letdown.

[TSFantasia]

As I have said before, your views are your views. You don't define what womanhood is about because it is more diverse compared to your tunneled vision of checklist that must be done in order to achieve one's goals.

Once you identify yourself to others then you may dare asking others to identify themselves. Hiding behind a shield and fitting people in little boxes of your creation is the most absurd thing to do!

My point is very clear, if you are narrow minded enough then remember that you are just lucky to live in a country which embrace diversity. Go to a third world country with SRS and you will be still viewed as a man not even mutant! Do you recognize now where the majority views can lead you?

I don't get your tirade I'm not against anyone's choices just explaining mine and how society views pre-op trans women. I'm not against bisexual or gay men even if I "label" them that way. I don't do it for the purpose of condemning them it just helps to understand where the person is coming from and their preferences.

[xoxJanexox]

I don't get your tirade I'm not against anyone's choices just explaining mine and how society views pre-op trans women. I'm not against bisexual or gay men even if I "label" them that way. I don't do it for the purpose of condemning them it just helps to understand where the person is coming from and their preferences.

Acceptance in society is more correlated with passability rather than the types of surgeries done. Yes, this is superficial, but what else is not superficial in this thread.

Chopping a piece of meat wont convert a trans-phobic person to trans-philic one. Like anything else, it would be more rewarding for the person to do things for their own satisfaction and not society.

[TSFantasia]

You don't seriously believe that the vast majority of people who would discriminate against you pre-op are going to suddenly accept you post-op, do you? Because if you do, you may be in for a bit of a letdown.

No of course not and yes there will always be bigoted people who will despise us because
of our origins inspite of the end results. I choose SRS because of how I view my body, my sexuality and because it is the end result that I will be most happy with.
And if I ever get strip searched while visiting an anti-LGBT country will be my best chance of escaping imprisonment or worse :-)