Straight?

[Shyla Wild]

But of course there is. I would like to assume that a t-girls personal preferences would be to be seen and treated as as a woman, which would also include her "sexual identity". Then there is the escort marketing end of the equation where cock drooling drones show next to no support for your true desires by hiring the cock that is attached to the person.
Just my .01% thought

What at we do at work and what we do at home is two different things. There is a difference between selling fantasy and catering to the marketplace, and what we do behind closed doors....just ask pornstars.

[northernguy222]

If guys are willing to pay premium dollar to see T-girl escorts because they see them as so feminine and female then why don't they continue to see them after they are post-op and have a pussy to fuck?

For me, it's not that I wouldn't continue to see them, but rather it's because they pretty much don't exist. In a Times-Colonist article from last year they estimated the North American population of transsexuals being .25 - 1%. (I have no idea how accurate that is...) Since we are only discussing M-F you can roughly divide that in half. We are also only discussing transwomen who escort so that number is further reduced. As to what percentage of that population is "post-op", I would think that it would be very, very small.

I really enjoy the company of some girls that I see and would continue to see them regardless of how much or little they do as far as gender-affirming surgery. And if I were in a relationship with one of them it would be a non-issue entirely.

Sorry to get a bit off topic from the OPs question. To answer that I would say that if you enjoy it, it shouldn't matter how you describe your sexuality.

[greep]

Its funny how people who are into fashion, cars, jewelry,wines, fine dining, etc etc are all about the BRAND NAME labels as they are proud of what they wear, what they drive, where they live, dine, what they listen to. Then we come to this subject and all of a sudden everyone fudges on the "labels" and circles the wagons to defend the "straight hetero" image to the last bullet of twisted logic.
The Gay/Lesbian community has advanced so far because of the "gay pride" events and attitudes and lobbying for better rights and protection. The trans community is 20 yrs back partly because of this don't ask don't tell attitude amongst the guys who actually want to be with T-girls/trans women but only if they can keep it hush-hush.

The truth of the matter is the majority (not all) of the clients and guys interested in "trannies" or T-girls are totally confused about what this desire makes them and are embarrassed to admit that it may make them not completely 100% straight hetero in the eyes of friends, coworkers and family. And while you may be able to sell other "t-girl enthusiasts/clients" on your ideas of how you rationalize seeing transsexuals as a straight hetero activity you know that the rest of the people you know aren't buying it.

If guys are willing to pay premium dollar to see T-girl escorts because they see them as so feminine and female then why don't they continue to see them after they are post-op and have a pussy to fuck? Seeing they are so straight and pussy should be a greater turn on than cock right? Oh and don't even bother with the inferior surgical vagina excuses!

As I've said a 100 times before guys would be better to come out of their self denial closets and be themselves let everyone know about who they like and prefer to see, date, have sex with get over the initial reaction and like everyone else find out it's really not that big of an issue in most people's minds once they actually do. Example NBA & NFL players who recently came out. I'm sure these locker rooms were full of the usual macho homophobic jokes and ribbing but once these players actually came out the atmosphere changes and there are hugs, handshakes, words of encouragement and support from sometimes the most outwardly verbose guys.

But I know this is a brick wall with most here and will fall on deaf ears and I can continue to be entertained and chuckle over posts like this and the wild twisted logic and explanations that guys give for making their transsexual encounters a "straight hetero" event.

I like women, whether trans or genetic. I am attracted to one gender only. I am not bi or gay. I would never have any sexual relations with another male. What part of this don't you understand. This seems to be the case with THE MAJORITY of men who like tgirls.

Maybe you just look too manly, thus the straight guys/clients aren't calling you and you are only getting calls from the 'gayer' type of guys . And because of this, you're perception of this issue is distorted.

I'm sure the very beautiful Lucy doesn't share your opinion on this.

[TSFantasia]

I like women, whether trans or genetic. I am attracted to one gender only. I am not bi or gay. I would never have any sexual relations with another male. What part of this don't you understand. This seems to be the case with THE MAJORITY of men who like tgirls.

Maybe you just look too manly, thus the straight guys/clients aren't calling you and you are only getting calls from the 'gayer' type of guys . And because of this, you're perception of this issue is distorted.

I'm sure the very beautiful Lucy doesn't share your opinion on this.

Well good for you I'm sure all your friends , coworkers and family then are aware of your interests and encounters with T-girls seeing you make no distinction between GG and trans women and are just as proud to say this is my T-girl date or at least unconcerned whether she is thoroughly passable enough to friends and passers by.

Yes and being as manly as I am guess that explains why I freeze up AFFs video cams once I pass 1200 viewers whenever I go on under the female category or why I have 450 guys who want to meet me just based on my pics under the female category on a popular dating site. You must be right lol. I keep forgetting that they only pretty T-girls come from Toronto my bad

But your reaction makes my point exactly that you view being typed as anything other than "straight hetero" as an insult and the same thing as calling you gay ,which I'm not... neither would that be an insult in my mind even though it is in yours.

[greep]

Well good for you I'm sure all your friends , coworkers and family then are aware of your interests and encounters with T-girls seeing you make no distinction between GG and trans women and are just as proud to say this is my T-girl date or at least unconcerned whether she is thoroughly passable enough to friends and passers by.

Yes and being as manly as I am guess that explains why I freeze up AFFs video cams once I pass 1200 viewers whenever I go on under the female category or why I have 450 guys who want to meet me just based on my pics under the female category on a popular dating site. You must be right lol. I keep forgetting that they only pretty T-girls come from Toronto my bad

But your reaction makes my point exactly that you view being typed as anything other than "straight hetero" as an insult and the same thing as calling you gay ,which I'm not... neither would that be an insult in my mind even though it is in yours.

Why would I want my friends and coworkers to know I get Tgirl/genetic girls as escorts? Thats my business. And has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

You implying that I'm anything other than hetero isn't an insult, it's just an indication of how completely clueless you are regarding this topic. .

I notice you didnt even address my comments about MYSELF. so I'll reiterate: I am not gay or bi. I like one gender only, and Im not attracted to males. from what I see on this site I suspect men like me are the majority, not the minority you say.

Why you are so intent on pointing out that men that like tgirls are gay/bi is beyond me. But if it makes u feel better to try to reduce us guy/clients to something we are not, knock yourself out. Some people need alcohol to get thru the day, if this (reducing men to be being gay) is what you need to get thru yours, well, who really cares.

Bottom line is this: only we can, and should, define our own sexuality. Fantasia you clearly have sexual hang-ups and baggage. PLease get help.

[TSFantasia]

Why would I want my friends and coworkers to know I get Tgirl/genetic girls as escorts? Thats my business. And has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

You implying that I'm anything other than hetero isn't an insult, it's just an indication of how completely clueless you are regarding this topic. .

I notice you didnt even address my comments about MYSELF. so I'll reiterate: I am not gay or bi. I like one gender only, and Im not attracted to males. from what I see on this site I suspect men like me are the majority, not the minority you say.

Why you are so intent on pointing out that men that like tgirls are gay/bi is beyond me. But if it makes u feel better to try to reduce us guy/clients to something we are not, knock yourself out. Some people need alcohol to get thru the day, if this (reducing men to be being gay) is what you need to get thru yours, well, who really cares.

Bottom line is this: only we can, and should, define our own sexuality. Fantasia you clearly have sexual hang-ups and baggage. PLease get help.

Yes the topic is if you see T-girl escorts are you straight hetero in your sexuality. And my opinion is No you are not. As sexuality is a sliding scale from straight-hetero to bicurious to bisexual to full on gay and the stages are marked by ones sexual activities, interests and preferences. If you can not admit to being in the slightest bit right of the absolute straight hetero marker by engaging in sex with transsexuals, lusting to suck cock, swallow loads, be fucked by shemale cock without immediately saying that means I'm calling you gay then you have serious insecurity issues and again clearly see it as an insult.

And all the really feminine girls (as apparently I am not) can conduct their own social experiment as I did for myself. Set up a profile on any sex hookup or dating site AFF or POF or Match etc identify as female and yes the emails will flood in and then that will drop by 80% as you clue the guys in you are pre-op trans some will be nice about their rejection others not so much! Of the 20% left will resort to the usual crowd of trans attracted men who will take you up on a quickie discreet sex hook up but will find a 101 excuses not to date publicly. And yes a small percentage will date you as an attractive woman even if it means venturing out in public...kudos to them!

So you may continue to view my perspective as insulting to your "straight hetero" image but it's just my observations based on 100s of clients, dozens of dating experiences, and 100s of rejection from straight guys who one minute ago were telling me I was gorgeous and sexy to the opposite once they knew I was pre-op trans and sporting a dick & balls instead of a pussy.

[TSFantasia]

Is it possible to be straight and still enjoy being with transgender escorts? I have no attraction to men

A few You Tube videos from a trans woman that may be helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLx3Pbg8z7Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJE...5E2R0iFP_Vvejw

[rider014]

I'll do this without quotes, you know who you are.
Greep..... Obviously you've never met Fantasia. There is absolutely nothing manly about her. Looks, body, mannerisms, voice, even the typical female forgetfulness all scream woman! She's more woman than a lot of women I know.
Shyla.... I don't know any pornstars. Just sayin.
Northern..... Bingo!!! The unicorn. I've got a better chance at winning the lottery than meeting and having a relationship with a t-girl. At least in this part of the world. Maybe in Toronto these girls are everywhere.

[candyhilton]

if a guy is into trannies he's not straight. He's pretend straight.
PERIOD. END OF STORY.

[vancouverman]

if a guy is into trannies he's not straight. He's pretend straight.
PERIOD. END OF STORY.

I am not one to insist on labels, but I really don't get why men who have sex with TS girls keep saying they are 100% straight. I think it is this fear of being labelled gay. You can not be straight and not be gay as there is an in between somewhere. I am not gay because I don't do guys and I love women and pussy, but I sure as hell can not call myself straight when I suck a TS cock. Maybe bisexual or something; who knows. But, I always chuckle when you get "I am 100% straight, want to suck cock" and all that

[candyhilton]

Vancouverman I couldnt agree with u more!!!

this is how I have always labeled men into 4 categories...

-real straight guys... only like genetic females (even the idea of post op pussy makes them wanna throw up)

-pretend straight guys... only like genetic females and trannies (rather it be CD's, or post op tgirls or pre op tgirls)... the idea of them being with a guy makes them sick to their stomach

-bi guys... guys that like all people (rather it be genetic girls, gay men, or trannies)

-gay men... their only into men


But what I have noticed if u go up to a pretend straight guy, and confront him with that topic, and say to him "your not really straight" they will rather...
-get upset with u
-walk out on u altogether

I am not one to insist on labels, but I really don't get why men who have sex with TS girls keep saying they are 100% straight. I think it is this fear of being labelled gay. You can not be straight and not be gay as there is an in between somewhere. I am not gay because I don't do guys and I love women and pussy, but I sure as hell can not call myself straight when I suck a TS cock. Maybe bisexual or something; who knows. But, I always chuckle when you get "I am 100% straight, want to suck cock" and all that

[Shyla Wild]

Not that you are all finished fighting...ask yourselves this question....does it really matter?

if he thinks he is straight...awesome. If she thinks she is a lesbian...great for her.

I am a little shocked about both the lack of acceptance for what someone wants to be called/considered/labeled. Especially in this community where that should be the first thing ACCEPTANCE towards others and their differences. Honestly, doesn't really matter what you consider yourself as long as you are happy. And none of us have the right to judge someone else choices.

[Bacchus Boy]

Not that you are all finished fighting...ask yourselves this question....does it really matter?

if he thinks he is straight...awesome. If she thinks she is a lesbian...great for her.

I am a little shocked about both the lack of acceptance for what someone wants to be called/considered/labeled. Especially in this community where that should be the first thing ACCEPTANCE towards others and their differences. Honestly, doesn't really matter what you consider yourself as long as you are happy. And none of us have the right to judge someone else choices.

Shyla,
You are absolutely right, though I like Candyhilton's categories, only the individual should apply them. And everyone should spend their time living their lives and not imposing on others and we would all be a lot happier.
BB

[Bacchus Boy]

I am not one to insist on labels, but I really don't get why men who have sex with TS girls keep saying they are 100% straight. I think it is this fear of being labelled gay. You can not be straight and not be gay as there is an in between somewhere. I am not gay because I don't do guys and I love women and pussy, but I sure as hell can not call myself straight when I suck a TS cock. Maybe bisexual or something; who knows. But, I always chuckle when you get "I am 100% straight, want to suck cock" and all that

I like what Woody Allen said " I am bi-sexual so I can be rejected by 100% of the people!"

[Tim49]

Not that you are all finished fighting...ask yourselves this question....does it really matter?

if he thinks he is straight...awesome. If she thinks she is a lesbian...great for her.

I am a little shocked about both the lack of acceptance for what someone wants to be called/considered/labeled. Especially in this community where that should be the first thing ACCEPTANCE towards others and their differences. Honestly, doesn't really matter what you consider yourself as long as you are happy. And none of us have the right to judge someone else choices.

Very well said Shyla, ACCEPTANCE is the key.I need to accept my attraction and the enjoyment I feel being with a transgender woman, not label myself or others