Straight?

[greep]

To the 'so called' shemales on here who insist on saying a guy is 'pretend straight' for liking you....... I'm going to start referring to you as 'guys in drag'. Because that's really what u are, right.

Because if I'm 'pretend straight' for liking you, than u must be a 'guy pretending to be girl'.

Since guys are gay for liking you.. than you guys in drag can never refer to yourselves as women/females or use women washrooms or have guys pay for things or have female listed on your license etc. etc. etc.

You can't have it both ways guys. You can't refer to yourselves as female when its convenient, than labels guys gay for liking you.

Personally, Its the shemales that have to come to grips with what they are. Are they a guy (in drag) or are they a 100% self identified full time woman. If they list woman, than any guy that likes them could totally and potentially be straight.

The confused ones are these guys (in drag) who are confused about their own identity, yet are quick to splash labels and identities on others.

Just because you guys (in drag) are fucked up concerning your identity and sexuality, doesn't mean everybody else is.


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[TSFantasia]

To the 'so called' shemales on here who insist on saying a guy is 'pretend straight' for liking you....... I'm going to start referring to you as 'guys in drag'. Because that's really what u are, right.

Because if I'm 'pretend straight' for liking you, than u must be a 'guy pretending to be girl'.

Since guys are gay for liking you.. than you guys in drag can never refer to yourselves as women/females or use women washrooms or have guys pay for things or have female listed on your license etc. etc. etc.

You can't have it both ways guys. You can't refer to yourselves as female when its convenient, than labels guys gay for liking you.

Personally, Its the shemales that have to come to grips with what they are. Are they a guy (in drag) or are they a 100% self identified full time woman. If they list woman, than any guy that likes them could totally and potentially be straight.

The confused ones are these guys (in drag) who are confused about their own identity, yet are quick to splash labels and identities on others.

Just because you guys (in drag) are fucked up concerning your identity and sexuality, doesn't mean everybody else is.


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No one is saying you are gay and to resort to insults over your insecurities is pretty immature. You obviously see human sexuality as a two category spectrum if a person is not straight then they must be gay, if they are not gay then they must be straight. Human sexuality is a broad spectrum and you are obviously fighting to be the marker line on the far straight end of that spectrum as you view anything else as an insult to your manhood and therefore justify hurling insults back at people who have not insulted you. If your interactions with transsexuals has been dating and friendship then I could buy the Im straight because I only see them as women excuse but if your interactions is only seeing them in porn and for paid or unpaid sexual encounters then no I am not buying it but neither am I, or Candys -pretend straight guy theory. calling you or any other trans attracted men gay.

Overview[edit]

Introducing the scale, Kinsey wrote:

“	Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories... The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects. While emphasizing the continuity of the gradations between exclusively heterosexual and exclusively homosexual histories, it has seemed desirable to develop some sort of classification which could be based on the relative amounts of heterosexual and homosexual experience or response in each history [...] An individual may be assigned a position on this scale, for each period in his life. [...] A seven-point scale comes nearer to showing the many gradations that actually exist.	”
—Kinsey, et al. (1948). pp. 639, 656)

Today, many sexologists see the Kinsey scale as relevant to sexual orientation but not comprehensive enough to cover all sexual identity issues. They suggest that sexual identity involves at least three different spectra, sexual orientation being only one of them (two others being biological sex and gender identity).^[4]
There have been similar studies where the scale is from 0 to 10. In such studies, the person would be asked a question such as "If 0 is completely gay and 10 is completely hetero, what is your orientation number?".^[5]
Table of the scale[edit]
The Kinsey scale ranges from 0, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively heterosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with their same sex, to 6, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively homosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with those of the opposite sex, and 1-5 for those who would identify themselves with varying levels of desire for sexual activity with either sex, including "incidental" or "occasional" desire for sexual activity with the same sex.^[6]

	Exclusively heterosexual
1	Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2	Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3	Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4	Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5	Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6	Exclusively homosexual
X	No socio-sexual contacts or reactions

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[vancouverman]

To the 'so called' shemales on here who insist on saying a guy is 'pretend straight' for liking you....... I'm going to start referring to you as 'guys in drag'. Because that's really what u are, right.

Because if I'm 'pretend straight' for liking you, than u must be a 'guy pretending to be girl'.

Since guys are gay for liking you.. than you guys in drag can never refer to yourselves as women/females or use women washrooms or have guys pay for things or have female listed on your license etc. etc. etc.

You can't have it both ways guys. You can't refer to yourselves as female when its convenient, than labels guys gay for liking you.

Personally, Its the shemales that have to come to grips with what they are. Are they a guy (in drag) or are they a 100% self identified full time woman. If they list woman, than any guy that likes them could totally and potentially be straight.

The confused ones are these guys (in drag) who are confused about their own identity, yet are quick to splash labels and identities on others.

Just because you guys (in drag) are fucked up concerning your identity and sexuality, doesn't mean everybody else is.


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saying you are not 100% is not labeling you gay. This is the problem. Guys are so afraid to admit they are not straight and they will be called gay. There is a middle ground somewhere, embrace it. Whether it is bisexual or some other term, you are not gay but you certainly are not 100% straight. Deal with it. There are more than two definitions of sexuality (straight or gay).

[greep]

saying you are not 100% is not labeling you gay. This is the problem. Guys are so afraid to admit they are not straight and they will be called gay. There is a middle ground somewhere, embrace it. Whether it is bisexual or some other term, you are not gay but you certainly are not 100% straight. Deal with it. There are more than two definitions of sexuality (straight or gay).

IM not afraid of anything. If I was bi I would say it. I dont understand why u and others keep saying this.

Can someone please here with half a brain in their heads, explain to me how can a man who is not attracted to men, and is only attracted to women BE GAY?

How? Cmon I'm all ears?

[toban]

Kinsey's report and transgender relations?

Fantasia has quoted Kinsey?s standards to bolster her version of the gay vs straight issue but back in his day in the 40?s there was likely little attention paid to such issues as sex and transgender individuals.

For that reason I doubt he paid much attention to this area of concern so I would not put too much stock in what he says about his gayness scale where it concerns the transgender population.

Were Kinsey still alive I believe he might have to revisit this area, for things have changed so very much in the subsequent 70 years since his startling revelations about human sexual behaviours.

It's been years since I read Kinsey and I am too lazy to get back into it now but reading Kinsey to determine his stand on this subject back in the 40's would be an excellent research project for someone here to undertake.

[TSFantasia]

IM not afraid of anything. If I was bi I would say it. I dont understand why u and others keep saying this.

Can someone please here with half a brain in their heads, explain to me how can a man who is not attracted to men, and is only attracted to women BE GAY?

How? Cmon I'm all ears?

WOW you really cant get past no one is calling you gay! If you see trans women and don't touch, suck or get fucked by their dicks in fact it stays in their panties as all your interested in is their feminine features your all straight hetero man IMO. I have had one boyfriend like that and one of my longest standing clients. Your triggers are a womans looks, figure and femininity all good solid hetro traits .

[toban]

According to Kinsey Greep seems to be straight!

This argument has been going on for years and will continue far into the future I am certain. I have no idea where I might end up on anybody’s gayness scale nor do I care but I do sympathise with Greep’s situation. During decades of pleasuring scores genetic girls, my primary area of attention would always be that area where Mother Nature decreed that sensation was to be most intense (the clit).

As is Greep, I am only interested in being with “female-only” companions. Similarly I get no thrill, such as I get from my enjoyment of females, from even thinking about spending effort on any male companionship.

Additionally, because the transgendered girls we see here claim to be female by nature, (though aided in some cases by surgery or chemistry), my manner of pleasing them would be identical to that which I previously applied to, and was overwhelmingly appreciated by my GG friends, which was to apply the same stimulation to the very same anatomical area i.e. the clit! N.B. {in early foetal development, guided by chromosomal dominance, either a penis or a clitoris will arise from the very same “bud” with either being generously endowed with plentiful receptors for the receipt of physical stimulation.}

How then, if a trans girl insists she was born female, can identical stimulation applied to a similar anatomical area, (that area intended to receive nervous stimulation of a sexual nature), of either a genetic or transgendered (born female!) girl be said to be either bisexual or gay?

In Fantasia’s post above she has quoted Kinsey as stating "The Kinsey scale ranges from 0, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively heterosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with their same sex, to 6"

If we can use Kinsey’s gayness scale, and since Greep says he has zero interest same sex activity then this one Kinsey quote gives credence to Greep’s earlier claim that he is straight! There is no question!

[TSFantasia]

Fantasia has quoted Kinsey?s standards to bolster her version of the gay vs straight issue but back in his day in the 40?s there was likely little attention paid to such issues as sex and transgender individuals.

For that reason I doubt he paid much attention to this area of concern so I would not put too much stock in what he says about his gayness scale where it concerns the transgender population.

Were Kinsey still alive I believe he might have to revisit this area, for things have changed so very much in the subsequent 70 years since his startling revelations about human sexual behaviours.

It's been years since I read Kinsey and I am too lazy to get back into it now but reading Kinsey to determine his stand on this subject back in the 40's would be an excellent research project for someone here to undertake.

Klein published his Sexual Orientation grid in his book "The Bisexual Option" in 1978 and didn't deviate much from Kinsey's work other than to use the term bisexual instead of equally hetro & homo sexual. He also allowed for a few other determining factors but bottom line doesn't change the terms as already discussed here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_S...ientation_Grid

[TSFantasia]

Also just because we as trans women see ourselves as having a female gender identity trapped within a male body doesn't mean that we do not recognize the parts of our anatomy that are typically male or masculine in nature and this is the reason for transition, hormonal therapy, and surgical corrections and enhancements to change our anatomy and features to more closely resemble and match our inner female gender. So when guys are interested in us only for the male/masculine parts of our body then this gives us serious questions about their motivations and sexuality when their interaction with us do not go beyond what they are doing down between our legs or want us to do with it.

[Tim49]

WOW you really cant get past no one is calling you gay! If you see trans women and don't touch, suck or get fucked by their dicks in fact it stays in their panties as all your interested in is their feminine features your all straight hetero man IMO. I have had one boyfriend like that and one of my longest standing clients. Your triggers are a womans looks, figure and femininity all good solid hetro traits .

That's the cause of my confusion ,When I am with a trans woman I enjoy sucking and being fucked by them, I would never do either with a male

[TSFantasia]

That's the cause of my confusion ,When I am with a trans woman I enjoy sucking and being fucked by them, I would never do either with a male

Well no reason to be confused your somewhere on the sexuality spectrum slightly off of extreme right and not at centre bisexual . You need a woman's looks and body to trigger your sexual arousal and what's between their legs after that doesn't matter. I personally don't have any sexual arousal in topping guys but many obviously enjoy it.

[northernguy222]

Yup

Well no reason to be confused your somewhere on the sexuality spectrum slightly off of extreme right and not at centre bisexual . You need a woman's looks and body to trigger your sexual arousal and what's between their legs after that doesn't matter. I personally don't have any sexual arousal in topping guys but many obviously enjoy it.

Personally, when I peel the panties off a sexy girl I'm usually quite happy with whatever I find.

[Rockheart]

Maybe we are just omni sexual.
Straight is a pretty strict question to some, why can't it be that you enjoy those that present themselves as women too.
If you are attracted to the femininity you won't mind the genitals.

However shouldn't you have to mainly be a top, or not?
Is it straight to be getting banged by girls?

[Tim49]

Maybe we are just omni sexual.
Straight is a pretty strict question to some, why can't it be that you enjoy those that present themselves as women too.
If you are attracted to the femininity you won't mind the genitals.

However shouldn't you have to mainly be a top, or not?
Is it straight to be getting banged by girls?

That's a great question Crag

[the_conqueror]

We're all PANSEXUAL

The term "straight" should be eliminated from our sexual vocabulary.

Everyone (or almost everyone) has had thoughts or desires at one point of being with someone of the same sex. Majority of guys out there would have no problem if another guy (assuming they fit certain criteria) wanted to jerk them off. Same goes for women. It's becoming socially accepted that it's ok for women to be with other women. Very few people admit to this but it's human nature. We're sex driven!

If you like transsexuals there's no way you can be straight.. Think about it,, there's a cock between their legs . Yes they have a female body but still have male genitalia. Therefore straight can be eliminated from the question. Me for example, I love the female body but I prefer a nice looking dick over a vagina anyday I can't be straight. No, it doesn't mean I'm gay because the male body (95% of the time) doesn't turn me on. So I have to be somewhere in between. Maybe bisexual because like I said almost everyone including myself have thoughts about the same sex BUT that's a rare fantasy. Add to that the question of where transsexual women fall into place? I think the term Pansexual would work nice in this situation.

I've convinced myself that's what I am. Over the last couple of years I've learned that I prefer transsexual women over genetic women. I need the female body but prefer the male parts downstairs. It's who I am and pansexual describes it well.

That's just my thoughts. These things just popped into my head when I was drinking my coffee on this fine Sunday morning