Is declaring yourself Agendered really a thing?

[toban]

What have you been reading?

Good heavens, no, no, no, I didn?t say women aren?t humans!

I said that those manufactured beings, created as you suggest, can never be human.

[Rockheart]

I guess you're not familiar with cloning and genetic manipulation..

Sperm is not required.. only an egg and a live cell from the female..

The "male" or sperm is not required.. this goes with any species that reproduce via egg systems..

Soon we won't even need humans to make humans.. robots will do it for us..

Personally I'm more omni-sexual..

Genetic manipulation?
This means you need labs and scientists, this just isn't natural.
STill it requires more than just a woman. A woman can not just think really hard and have a baby.
She requires either a man or a team of scientists to fertilize the egg and get her pregnant.
None of this is asexual reproduction.

I guess technically one of a set of identical twins could be considered asexual reproduction because the egg splits.
However originally the egg must be fertilized.

If and when robots make humans they will use male and female inputs in a lab.

Men can grow babies in their abdomanal cavity but nobody ever does it.
Plus i'm sure many animals could carry human embryo.
I'm sure they can cross different creatures with each other, but doesn't mean they should do it.

Science Fiction is one thing but there is no such thing as being agendered.

[Alexis]

Good heavens, no, no, no, I didn’t say women aren’t humans!

I said that those manufactured beings, created as you suggest, can never be human.

So the clone I have growing overseas will never be human? Good thing it's just for spare parts.. lol..

But seriously.. you're saying a clone is not the same? A clone of a sheep is not a sheep? A clone of a human isn't human?

I would say a clone of a human is just as human as the original..

I'm all for signing up for genetic therapy that improves my health, happiness, lifespan etc.. Life is priceless..

Genetic manipulation?
This means you need labs and scientists, this just isn't natural.
STill it requires more than just a woman. A woman can not just think really hard and have a baby.
She requires either a man or a team of scientists to fertilize the egg and get her pregnant.
None of this is asexual reproduction.

I guess technically one of a set of identical twins could be considered asexual reproduction because the egg splits.
However originally the egg must be fertilized.

If and when robots make humans they will use male and female inputs in a lab.

Men can grow babies in their abdomanal cavity but nobody ever does it.
Plus i'm sure many animals could carry human embryo.
I'm sure they can cross different creatures with each other, but doesn't mean they should do it.

Science Fiction is one thing but there is no such thing as being agendered.

Who says it's not natural!

DNA has evolved to the point where it can see, understand and manipulate itself.. Now the truth of whether it chooses to be benign or malevolent remains to be seen.. I'm sure more than one civilization has faced what we face now and gone down the wrong path.. I have faith that humanity will fuck itself one more time before enlightenment..

There is no physical need for humans to be grown inside a female or male body.. We can easily engineer some robots to handle all human reproduction and order up specific children by design in the next 100 years.. The egg will be implanted with a engineered cell that was CATG encoded by a machine.. then the egg will be grown in a machine free of defects and risk.. for a time I can see humans holding onto the value of including their own DNA in their children but they will surely manipulate it..

Within a few hundred years the lifespan of our conscious beings could be increased so dramatically that reproduction will be less essential.. again it depends on what path DNA takes through it's journey of evolution..

But on topic.. the term agendered is nothing more than a label attempting to assign a unique value to make one's self feel good..

[toban]

Surely, you jest! Those Y's are a very big deal!


Even though you say that damned #23 ?Y? chromosome is useless and has no part in the reproductive process, maleness and it?s multitude of features are all carried only on it. So yes, you've got to admit that it is mainly because of that ?Y? that and you also got some other sweet stuff too along with them too.

Your Daddy passed that ?Y? on to you for your future use! It is only because of your Daddy's "Y" that you got to be what you are today.

While you may be in the process of cloning yourself Alexis, I reckon that many guys here will relish the thoughts of such a creation.

[Alexis]

So Old School!

Even though you say that damned #23 ?Y? chromosome is useless and has no part in the reproductive process, maleness and it?s multitude of features are all carried only on it. So yes, you've got to admit that it is mainly because of that ?Y? that and you also got some other sweet stuff too along with them too.

Your Daddy passed that ?Y? on to you for your future use! It is only because of your Daddy's "Y" that you got to be what you are today.

While you may be in the process of cloning yourself Alexis, I reckon that many guys here will relish the thoughts of such a creation.

Yes I inherited a "Y" from my dad.. But the future doesn't have to be that way.. you can take a female clone and flip a few switches in the DNA and have hermaphrodite.. or create a human with female form and male reproductive parts.. From time to time this happens in nature all by itself in various species.. So in reality.. Daddy's "Y" is no longer required for sustained reproduction..

No I'm not cloning myself.. but I have looked into cloning of organs and stuff like that and try and stay on top of reading medical science stuff.. Soon we'll be able to do body transplants.. eventually brain transplants.. but that's a whole other can of DNA worms..

I'm quite certain there's a lab or 2 out there with live human clones and several labs doing human trials on human genetic manipulation..

[TSFantasia]

So now I see Miley Cyrus's new partner is declaring themselves agendered?
They say they are just themselves they are not any gender.
Is this even possible?

Like to me this could only be someone who is born with no sex organs, no hormones, non-working glands and part of their brain missing. Not someone with a beard wearing a dress that most likely has sex with people. Live as you will, but don't make whacked out claims.
Gender is inseparable from sex pretty much.

I think if you have to give yourself a label you are not JUST BEING YOURSELF.
To say you don't specifically identify with any gender is one thing but so say you have none is just some kind of hipster wet dream.

What do you think?



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Agender is a term for individuals who do not feel the need to conform to the standard binary of male or female gender. They consider themselves neutral and without the need to conform to either gender in terms of mannerisms, fashion, behavior etc. As for transgender individuals we reject the notion that biological sex and birth genitalia are the sole identifiers of gender as gender is a state of mind, emotions, personality and sense of self.
As for sexuality it has nothing to do with how a person identifies their gender all can be straight,bi or gay. How genuine the declaration in this case is up for debate.
Agender is an identity under the nonbinary and transgender umbrella terms. Agender individuals find that they have no gender identity, although some define this more as having a gender identity that is neutral.Jun 9, 2015
Agender - Nonbinary.org

nonbinary.org/wiki/Agender

[Rockheart]

Agender is a term for individuals who do not feel the need to conform to the standard binary of male or female gender. They consider themselves neutral and without the need to conform to either gender in terms of mannerisms, fashion, behavior etc. As for transgender individuals we reject the notion that biological sex and birth genitalia are the sole identifiers of gender as gender is a state of mind, emotions, personality and sense of self.
As for sexuality it has nothing to do with how a person identifies their gender all can be straight,bi or gay. How genuine the declaration in this case is up for debate.
Agender is an identity under the nonbinary and transgender umbrella terms. Agender individuals find that they have no gender identity, although some define this more as having a gender identity that is neutral.Jun 9, 2015
Agender - Nonbinary.org

nonbinary.org/wiki/Agender

That is the whole problem that just by announcing it or labelling yourself you are saying you are some type of gender. If you say you don't want to identify with a gender or conform you should just do you own thing. Or to even say you are gender neutral maybe.

However the fact is that everyone is some type of gender and there is nothing you can do about it.

Women don't dress and act the way they do just because someone told them too, per se. It is a natural female feeling to want to make themselves look pretty and stand out from other females for the purpose of attracting males. Wearing frilly, colourful or flashy clothing and jewelry is how they do that. Some may say it is feminist, but it is a fact about females. The evolution of female fashions is partly the need to be noticed and the perceived preferences of males, such as high heels. To say you just want to wear a dress and high heels, just because, makes little sense. Either it turns you on or you are trying to attempting to be attractive to someone, nothing about female attire is practical except their handbag. (The handbag is required because female appearance is often very impractical, you need all the tools on hand) Anything else is just some kind of new age hipsterism.

This is just like someone saying they have no religious beliefs. Just the fact that you have even thought about religion and decided you have no beliefs means you have religious beliefs. You have decided your stance on religion which doesn't mean you have to be a priest to have religious ideology.

Anyway this is a boy in a dress, perhaps the female part cancels out the male part and they are gender neutral that way.
Really it is just somebody saying I am going to wear and act how I want when i want.
Just another person trying to stand out from the crowd by being different but creating a whole category of people that tries to be unique by being the same. Instead of just being themselves they go by some checklist of their given gender identity, thus end up being all identical to each other.

If people just want to do their thing and just be themselves they should just do that and stop being such a spectacle and labelling themselves. This person and the Jenner person make me a little sick to my stomach.

[Raging Bob]

As soon as they "announce" it, they've lost my vote!

And don't forget, it is Miley after all and she always comes in like a wrecking ball!!