Transgender rights

[vancouverman]

If it wasn't for religion, we would not have gender specific toilets in North America and this would be a non issue. Absolutely amazes me in 2015 we are still debating where a trans person should be taking a shit. In a stall, with a door closed, who gives a care what logo is on the bloody door.

Anyone who still uses "Oh my kids might get molested" (which is where all these religious parents are coming from fighting this stuff) might as well be arguing the earth is 6000 years old.. same level of credibility.

[Alexis]

You are delusional..

I already said what criteria I think is necessary to change gender tags on IDs one of them was not SRS and definitely if you are so in love with your male genitalia and how they function and how it feels when you fuck and orgasm you should definitely keep it. I personally think you are living out a fantasy that has nothing to do with gender dysphoria or gender identity as a woman. I certainly don't "condemn" those who make other choices regarding their genitalia and there is a small percentage who cannot have bottom surgery done for a variety of reasons but would if it were possible, as no trans man is in love with the fact that they have a vagina and no trans woman is in love with their penis.

You're are delusional.. I was diagnosed by the leading Dr. in Vancouver on gender dysphoria 22 years ago when I was 18 .. how old were you then?

What type of bull shit did you have to deal with 22 years ago when society practically still stoned TG's and gays?? Did the first Dr. you went to with your problem try to cure you like they did me when I was 17 and contemplating suicide?

Maybe if you had been exposed to the same type of hate and intolerance as I was you would not be so ignorant of others.. I find most gays & tg's in their 30's to be really rude and ignorant of what the rest of us went through 20+ years ago when discrimination was rampant and gay bashing was a regular pass time..

People with views like yours are pathetic.. To insist that someone needs to undergo a life risking operation to validate their gender identity is ridiculous!

However.. it seems that in your speedy 3 year transition you've become a Dr of psychology and an expert on all forms of gender dysphoria..

Tai.. Everyone is different.. that's what makes humans humans.. you're genetically male too no matter what you do..

I am very happy that the courts, the legal system, and leading Dr's of psychology on gender issues agree with me 100% that it's what's in your head not what's between your legs.. Thankfully they're clear in their thinking and not discriminating against us by insisting on surgery..

Oh and I've had no laser, I'm not furry.. I'm a blonde I have to do electrolysis & only on my face.. only had a boobjob and a facelift.. and I am very happy with me..

Unfortunately I had to stop HRT for health reasons after 2 years due to varicose veins & dvt developing in my lower left leg.. had surgery on that year before last.. I'm too high a risk for clotting to go back on HRT which is fine with me.. I'm not into risking death for the use of pills that have tons of side effects anyhow..

[vancouverman]

I personally think you are living out a fantasy that has nothing to do with gender dysphoria or gender identity as a woman.

Wow; hard to believe women in the trans community would feel that way about one another. That is fairly harsh to say to someone who has identified and lived as a woman for so long. That is something a guy would say who still look at you ladies as "gay men" and "crossdressers".

And, I don't know about your part of Canada, but you can't just walk into a doctor and get him/her to sign a letter to get F on your driver's license gender. They don't hand it out like candy and they make very sure you are just not "living a fantasy" before endorsing your application to do that with your government ID's. So, if Alexis has F on her ID's (which I assume she does), that is a pretty serious indicator this is not just some "guy living a fantasy".

[TSFantasia]

People with views like yours are pathetic.. To insist that someone needs to undergo a life risking operation to validate their gender identity is ridiculous!


I am very happy that the courts, the legal system, and leading Dr's of psychology on gender issues agree with me 100% that it's what's in your head not what's between your legs.. Thankfully they're clear in their thinking and not discriminating against us by insisting on surgery..


Unfortunately I had to stop HRT for health reasons after 2 years due to varicose veins & dvt developing in my lower left leg.. had surgery on that year before last.. I'm too high a risk for clotting to go back on HRT which is fine with me.. I'm not into risking death for the use of pills that have tons of side effects anyhow..

Your pretty dramatic as I said repeatedly what criteria should be necessary to change ones gender tags on Govt Ids one of them NOT being SRS. Your just like Greep who keeps fuming over something I never said ie "him being gay". You also mentioned your medical reasons for not being able to continue HRT, which is necessary after SRS so I respect that.

Actually ALL courts and ALL doctor's, psychologists don't agree with you and many of the changes to existing laws regarding changing gender markers are with respect to the fact that not all trans men or women have equal access to necessary medical procedures and they shouldn't be penalized or discriminated against when they are clearly living consistently in their gender designation and moving forward in their transition ...not as a result of the minority "non op" trans men/women. It took me 18 months to finally get into see an endocronologist and he definitely would not have prescribed HRT had I express no desire to complete my transition within a reasonable amount of time barring any unforeseen medical problems .

Couldn't find a Canadian Map but it varies from province to province too most no longer requiring proof of SRS for gender marker changes to Birth Certificates, Govt IDs which is a GOOD thing!
Another thing trans men & women are fighting for is coverage for SRS/GRS and some other feminizing procedures the more the minority "non ops" makes it seem that is an optional & cosmetic procedure the less public support there will b e for the majority of us in the trans community who feel it is an absolute necessity.

[TSFantasia]

Wow; hard to believe women in the trans community would feel that way about one another. That is fairly harsh to say to someone who has identified and lived as a woman for so long. That is something a guy would say who still look at you ladies as "gay men" and "crossdressers".

And, I don't know about your part of Canada, but you can't just walk into a doctor and get him/her to sign a letter to get F on your driver's license gender. They don't hand it out like candy and they make very sure you are just not "living a fantasy" before endorsing your application to do that with your government ID's. So, if Alexis has F on her ID's (which I assume she does), that is a pretty serious indicator this is not just some "guy living a fantasy".

No actually it's unbelievably harsh for any supposed trans woman to mock another trans woman's SRS as getting a "fake pussy" and "you will not be a female no matter how many surgeries you get" ! This is what I would expect from an indenial homophobic person like Greep! Lol

[Alexis]

Your pretty dramatic as I said repeatedly what criteria should be necessary to change ones gender tags on Govt Ids one of them NOT being SRS. Your just like Greep who keeps fuming over something I never said ie "him being gay". You also mentioned your medical reasons for not being able to continue HRT, which is necessary after SRS so I respect that.

Actually ALL courts and ALL doctor's, psychologists don't agree with you and many of the changes to existing laws regarding changing gender markers are with respect to the fact that not all trans men or women have equal access to necessary medical procedures and they shouldn't be penalized or discriminated against when they are clearly living consistently in their gender designation and moving forward in their transition ...not as a result of the minority "non op" trans men/women. It took me 18 months to finally get into see an endocronologist and he definitely would not have prescribed HRT had I express no desire to complete my transition within a reasonable amount of time barring any unforeseen medical problems .

Couldn't find a Canadian Map but it varies from province to province too most no longer requiring proof of SRS for gender marker changes to Birth Certificates, Govt IDs which is a GOOD thing!
Another thing trans men & women are fighting for is coverage for SRS/GRS and some other feminizing procedures the more the minority "non ops" makes it seem that is an optional & cosmetic procedure the less public support there will b e for the majority of us in the trans community who feel it is an absolute necessity.

I was referring to the Canadian Supreme Court not the hillbilly's down south.. and the leading Canadian Psychologists on the matter that advised the courts..

Dramatic? You say I'm living out a fantasy and I'm dramatic.. I was dressed up as a girl and playing with my sisters dolls an tea set wishing that I was a girl years before you were born.. and you seem to think you are more valid as a woman than I am because of a physical procedure.. that's dramatic..

[vancouverman]

No actually it's unbelievably harsh for any supposed trans woman to mock another trans woman's SRS as getting a "fake pussy" and "you will not be a female no matter how many surgeries you get" ! This is what I would expect from an indenial homophobic person like Greep! Lol

Your response to my comment, saying your comment to Alexis was harsh ,is to bring up something someone said to you.

Yeah, those comments are harsh too; when men make comments like that to trans women it usually is because they are having to sort out how they feel about their attraction to cocks and sometimes lashing out is how guys deal with it. It is not right, and if it hurt you I certainly can understand why. But, that doesn't mean you should go out attacking the identities of other women as well.

Alexis is similar to my age and I can tell you that 20 years ago in Vancouver it would have been pretty bad for her to be public about her gender identity. Even in the gay community in our west end. So, for someone to fight through that kind of stuff would be a very clear indicator it was more than "a fantasy" and you really should think about why you are saying such a thing.

I respect you both, and it is amazing to see you say these things about one another.

[greep]

I already said what criteria I think is necessary to change gender tags on IDs one of them was not SRS and definitely if you are so in love with your male genitalia and how they function and how it feels when you fuck and orgasm you should definitely keep it. I personally think you are living out a fantasy that has nothing to do with gender dysphoria or gender identity as a woman. I certainly don't "condemn" those who make other choices regarding their genitalia and there is a small percentage who cannot have bottom surgery done for a variety of reasons but would if it were possible, as no trans man is in love with the fact that they have a vagina and no trans woman is in love with their penis.

As I said before there are other identities under the transgender umbrella it's just sad that all the cds and tvs don't identify themselves as such instead of muddying the waters for those who are serious about transitioning to their gender and not just tacking on a few traits to satisfy their sexual fantasies. By all means I support people who are these other identities they just don't need the official recognition of being women/females.

We are a minority within the LGBT minority fighting for recognition, respect and rights. The concept of being transgender the public understands to mean someone born with a gender identity opposite to their biological sex, who needs access to the necessary medical procedures to correct this ie. HRT, SRS, FFS to allow that individual to live and be accepted as male or female.
The more instances they see of people saying they have gender dysphoria but clearly no distress over their most obvious contradictory genitalia the less support and the more skeptical the public will become.

And comes back to the same point if SRS is an unnecessary and too risky step to take to change your anatomy to match your gender identity why do anything at all? Why get laser hair removal, breast implants, FFS of any kind isn't that condemning those who can't afford to or just feel its unnecessary and too risky? Let's all just walk around looking like burly bikers and constructions workers call ourselves Sally declare I am a woman and march into the woman's change & shower rooms?

Is Shyla Wild equal to you as a trans woman? (she does love her big cock), or is she less of a trans woman than you because she hasnt had SRS? A simple yes or no will suffice, thank you.

[Tia Phoenixx]

chill everybody

Transgenderism and sexuality are very complex and broad. It is not exactly black or white, and we should tolerate all variations.

As i already explained on the other thread, the degree of gender dysphoria varies from each individual.

We just need to accept each other without mocking or pointing fingers.
there is no better or worse. We are just different.

I might be more similar to Fantasia than Alexis or Shyla, but it does not mean we are better.
we are just different.

[TSFantasia]

Your response to my comment, saying your comment to Alexis was harsh ,is to bring up something someone said to you.

Yeah, those comments are harsh too; when men make comments like that to trans women it usually is because they are having to sort out how they feel about their attraction to cocks and sometimes lashing out is how guys deal with it. It is not right, and if it hurt you I certainly can understand why. But, that doesn't mean you should go out attacking the identities of other women as well.

Alexis is similar to my age and I can tell you that 20 years ago in Vancouver it would have been pretty bad for her to be public about her gender identity. Even in the gay community in our west end. So, for someone to fight through that kind of stuff would be a very clear indicator it was more than "a fantasy" and you really should think about why you are saying such a thing.

I respect you both, and it is amazing to see you say these things about one another.

You should know me by now someone attacks my female identity mocks SRS as unnecessary when the MAJORITY of trans men & women consider it an absolute necessity, not to validate their gender but as an end goal to be happy with their physical appearance agreeing with their mental & emotionally gender identity. Calls the most REAL part of me fake while they get gianormous silicone implants, facial implants, silicone injections, etc etc (not specifically Alexis but t-girls in general) you can bet I'm going to fire back.

I accept her gender identity I don't accept non-ops goal to redefine womanhood and what a female anatomy looks like. Other than not being able to change our chromosomes or having female reproductive organs, which most of us would if we could, we have struggled to get any kind of acceptance. My transition and that of the majority of trans women is embracing womanhood and all that entails not telling the world that women have penises and should stay that way.

You guys get to enjoy t-girls during their transition stage pre to post-op. You may consider it the best of both world stage and want us to stay there but for most of us it's a step in our journey not the final destination point..

And I don't need to validate every CDs "womanhood" who pulls on a pair of nylons and heels a little makeup and sits on chat sites masturbating. That's not a reference to Alexis so don't say it is. There are CDs, transvestites, gender fluid individuals under the transgender umbrella they don't all need the validation of the gender they dress up in for the night. Alexis isn't in this category and I can see her marketing herself in a certain way she has a big tool so that's what she uses to make money but don't tell me how big your cock is and how hard and long you can fuck is the definition of womanhood cuz I ain't buying it.

[Alexis]

Your response to my comment, saying your comment to Alexis was harsh ,is to bring up something someone said to you.

Yeah, those comments are harsh too; when men make comments like that to trans women it usually is because they are having to sort out how they feel about their attraction to cocks and sometimes lashing out is how guys deal with it. It is not right, and if it hurt you I certainly can understand why. But, that doesn't mean you should go out attacking the identities of other women as well.

Alexis is similar to my age and I can tell you that 20 years ago in Vancouver it would have been pretty bad for her to be public about her gender identity. Even in the gay community in our west end. So, for someone to fight through that kind of stuff would be a very clear indicator it was more than "a fantasy" and you really should think about why you are saying such a thing.

I respect you both, and it is amazing to see you say these things about one another.

The harshest hate, ridicule and worst insults in the trans community come from one trans person to another.. The worst tranny haters are trannies..

I'm not a hater.. I put up with the hate, got assaulted by groups of guys out gay bashing and put up with years of bullshit when I wasn't even gay.. It was bad then.. there were groups of guys that would go out looking for gay people to beat up in the west end practically every weekend.. years before it was the same shit in Victoria.. I learned to fight when I was really young because I had no choice, I was constantly attacked for being different.. and apparently I still am in the cyber world..

Just to clarify.. When I was 19 I got one of the girls I was fucking pregnant.. I opted to use this as an out to lead a straight and normal life.. That went for shit after 6 years.. I ran away from it in a sense but it haunted me forever.. Now after 2 kids and too many years as a boy I'm finally happy..

chill everybody

Transgenderism and sexuality are very complex and broad. It is not exactly black or white, and we should tolerate all variations.

As i already explained on the other thread, the degree of gender dysphoria varies from each individual.

We just need to accept each other without mocking or pointing fingers.
there is no better or worse. We are just different.

I might be more similar to Fantasia than Alexis or Shyla, but it does not mean we are better.
we are just different.

Exactly.. top or bottom surgery, FFS and the like do not define ones self.. it's cosmetic.. for some this is a requirement for their own mental wellness I suppose.. Some people really struggle with it and keep going on surgeries till they look like micheal jackson..

It's like the whole being passable thing.. it's all relative.. I know I'll probably never be 100% passable and I have to live with that fact every day.. Just like when I pay $100/h to get electrolysis done and tortured for countless hours with thousands of electric shocks reaffirming the fact that I was born male and not female.. Fun stuff..

Bottom surgery is just bottom surgery.. how is it going to make me more passable? It can't..

And as soon as I add the fact in there that I prefer women.. well it just fucks up everyone..

So I'm damned to anonymous cowards sending me hateful emails thinking they are better than me.. Thankfully I know they are not..

Oh and as for paying for surgeries.. top surgery should not be free.. bottom yes but not the top.. not unless you're going to give every genetic woman with AA boobs the option to get implants for free as well.. It's 100% cosmetic just like FFS and should not be covered unless given to GG women that also require it..

[dom r]

I'm not a hater.. I put up with the hate, got assaulted by groups of guys out gay bashing and put up with years of bullshit when I wasn't even gay.. It was bad then.. there were groups of guys that would go out looking for gay people to beat up in the west end practically every weekend.. years before it was the same shit in Victoria.

They are the ones with the problem because they dont respect you and others. Immediately if you feel someone may harm or disrespect you, walk away and keep away from them. They dont deserve to be talked to or looked at. F'em.

[vancouverman]

Oh and as for paying for surgeries.. top surgery should not be free.. bottom yes but not the top.. not unless you're going to give every genetic woman with AA boobs the option to get implants for free as well.. It's 100% cosmetic just like FFS and should not be covered unless given to GG women that also require it..

Oh, I would vote yes to a .5% increase in PST so every woman who wants their breasts enhanced can have it paid for Better than Jordan Bateman going on about transit all year.

[Shyla Wild]

I might be more similar to Fantasia than Alexis or Shyla, but it does not mean we are better.
we are just different.

We have never met, spoken, or hung out....how exactly do you know me enough to judge me?

[Tia Phoenixx]

You called and email me couple times and used to post regularly on my Fb page few years ago. You told me i used to be your idol, no?

As a courtesy, i promised to call you back while I was in Montreal to meet you but you didn't respond.

I mentioned your name, because Creep mentioned it first.

anyway, How I know we are different?

Every girl who promotes their big dicks and emphazing how good they are as a top, clearly on a different board than us.

Typical,classic gender dysphoria girl finds her dick a mishap and would not be proud of it.

There are many other things..as I mentioned on the other thread... Such as you are into women as well...live your most adult life as male..etc

We are clearly different, but none is better or worse..just different