Honestly,shemales are not men so you're not gay for finding them to be sexually appealing.

[tommyguns]

I have on several occasions debated with Crag, and he sure doesn't operate with the 'my house' mentality. In fact, in two occasions he appeared to accept the other-side of the argument. He is a tough debater and that offends the weak ones.

The real problem her is YOU. Logical fallacy at its best combined with willful ignorance!

no surprise on what side of the debate you ended up on is there.

[xoxJanexox]

no surprise on what side of the debate you ended up on is there.

The real surprise is when you get off your computer screen and face the real life. At that point you would discover that you have absolutely no knowledge about this lifestyle!

[Rockheart]

no surprise on what side of the debate you ended up on is there.

It's not an argument.
There isn't sides, you just don't get it.

[Rockheart]

a guy in a wig is simply that. no implants, no hormones, no woman's boobs, or curves, or hips, or mannerisms. '

by the strictest definition, this guy is a tranvestite. i wouldn't fuck him in a million years, in exchange for being for getting $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000:


A transvestite simply put is a man in drag or traditionally assigned opposite gender clothing.

i cannot speak for all of course, but take laverne cox:

she has a woman's face, boobs, curves, demeanour and mannerisms. again i cannot speak for all, but then i think this is what most here like, the womanliness even if an MTF woman is born male or has a penis. we have hotties here like Lola, Lucy and Alexis since they have all that. hot bodies, hot faces, hot boobs, and hot cocks...it's all a great mix. haha.

transvestite males? if people are into that, fine, but then it's not for me.

Exactly live and let live.

No one has to have sex with anyone they don't want.

[dom r]

a guy in a wig is simply that.no implants,no hormones,no boobs,or curves,or hips,or mannerisms.by strictest definition,this guy is a tranvestite.i wouldnt fuck him in a million years,if people are into that,fine but its not for me.

I also don't find transvestites to be attractive but there are alot of males out there that don't realize theyre actually part transgender and are not transvestites if they were to wear female clothing. David sylvian (and a few other members) from Japan (arty type of new wave band) is one of those fem guys that i'd say has 15 or 20% of transgenderism(although hes not attractive to me) but lives like a man, although in this great in-love sad song, My new career (from Gentlemen take poloroids album), he actually says in his soothing flamboyant vocal, "i never wanted to be a man". https://youtu.be/7qjwH2aSK9s

[dom r]

Notice the keyboard player to left side(in this Gentlemen take poloroids song by Japan)is also part transgender(as well as the singer),and maby the drummer too but just a little bit-https://youtu.be/FdEx0WXWBeMI dont think those 2 or 3 members of Japan would be considered tranvestites if they were to wear women's clothing since they possess some degree(even if its a small degree) of transgenderism within their chromosomes as you could see by looking at them and also by hearing their voices whereas this tranvestite is ALL man-(EXTRA note-If ya want to chec out a few other amazing art alternative new wave best songs by Japan on youtube,search(album versions of)- Cantonese boy ("cantonese boy,bang your tin drum"), Still life in mobile homes and Ghosts from their Tin drum album,and as i already mentioned their in love sad songs (actually most of their songs from these 2 albums have an in-love sadness to them), My new career. Gentlemen take poloroids,Nightporter and Taking islands in africa.

[bigonebugger]

Really

At the end of the day folks, does this really matter? I think it should, be about who turns you on, and treats you well whether they be male, female, and in between.

[dom r]

At the end of the day folks, does this really matter? I think it should, be about who turns you on, and treats you well whether they be male, female, and in between.

Yes that is true. This thread kind of grew into recognising that not all males in female clothing should be considered transvestites since there are males like the 3 guys in Japan(as 3 of almost endless examples) that were actually born part transgender to little,some or more degree and they may not even realize this as a kid,teen or adult and think theyre all male when in reality theyre not. Those types of men-transwomen don't turn me on, they gotta be at least a 50% transgender to be a wow factor. Loved this band ever since i was 14. Always thought some of them were kind of tranz. They were ahead of their time,then the duran durans started to pop up everywhere, nowhere near as advanced as these fem guys. https://youtu.be/aP3MCXiocJ0

[Rockheart]

At the end of the day folks, does this really matter? I think it should, be about who turns you on, and treats you well whether they be male, female, and in between.

Nope, according to Tommygunns if you were ever a man or have ever worn wig you are a horrible disgusting person that is trying to cheat him out of his money.

So, do not think you are a true tgirl or transsexual unless you are approved by Tommygunns and his band of bigots.

If anyone has sex with someone that Tommygunns is not attracted to you are a horrible criminal and gay person.

According to him I am horrible person for taking people at their word. I should be a redneck bigot and only accept those I am attracted to. However if Tommy is not attracted to them I am a horrible gay person.

I am so horrible I cannot believe you people put up with me.
How dare I be accepting and helpful, sorry about that.

I should be put in jail I am so rotten for allowing all these horrible criminals on my site.
Tommy is right, all crossdressers should go to jail.

Tommygunns is the the God of all and only he knows the truth.

[Rockheart]

Yes that is true. This thread kind of grew into recognising that not all males in female clothing should be considered a transvestite since there are males like the 3 guys in Japan(as one of so many examples) that are actually part transgender to some degree and they may not even realize this and think theyre all male when in reality theyre not.

Every single person on earth has a feminine side.
It doesn't necessarily mean you are transsexual but being fem or crossdressing is no crime.

[Alexis]

#&@! %$*

[idleflow]

At the end of the day folks, does this really matter? I think it should, be about who turns you on, and treats you well whether they be male, female, and in between.

Indeed but still sooo much stigma. I have confided to a couple close freinds about my tastes but shall always remain stealth like. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks I guess. probably just me though hey?

[TSFantasia]

sorry looks like i struck a nerve.......if you think a beautiful tgirl like Bailey Jay is no different than a guy in a wig..the issue here is yours not mine .yes any gender or sexual preference can advertise but pick the proper area to advertise.last time i looked the site was shemale Canada... all iam saying is there should be more honesty in just what the fuck is being offered. I do not and I am sure many people will agree that a guy in a wig is not a tgirl.I may not have the ability to debate the issue as well as you after all you own the site so i am on my own here.I am not here to trash anybody.honestly i dont even know why iam here.we are all inclusive when it is about life liberty freedom you can be who ever you want to be but above all we should be honest, because there is someone for everyone.and not all of us are ok with a guy in a wig.I'm done I'm so fucking done

a guy in a wig is simply that. no implants, no hormones, no woman's boobs, or curves, or hips, or mannerisms. '

by the strictest definition, this guy is a tranvestite. i wouldn't fuck him in a million years, in exchange for being for getting $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000:



A transvestite simply put is a man in drag or traditionally assigned opposite gender clothing.

i cannot speak for all of course, but take laverne cox:



she has a woman's face, boobs, curves, demeanour and mannerisms. again i cannot speak for all, but then i think this is what most here like, the womanliness even if an MTF woman is born male or has a penis. we have hotties here like Lola, Lucy and Alexis since they have all that. hot bodies, hot faces, hot boobs, and hot cocks...it's all a great mix. haha.

transvestite males? if people are into that, fine, but then it's not for me.

Yes this isn't rocket science straight-hetero guys are attracted to femininity, feminine sensuality, feminine physique and mannerisms and are not attracted to and turned off by masculinity in those areas as far as a sexual partner or relationship is concerned.

Fetish crossdressers are no more trans women than gay men who dress and perform in drag they are MEN they live as men and except for a few hours here and there act as men. Giving too much recognition to fetishists just takes away respect & recognition from trans women, who do go through the arduous process of transition and feminizing their facial and body features.

Saying that they are one and the same is like saying the guy, who goes to the mall and climbs a rock climbing wall is as much a mountain climber as the persons, who have scaled Mt. Everest, K2 , etc.
Maybe one day that guy will do the same but in the meantime he is a hobbyists who has yet to do any real rock or mountain climbing!
If guys can be attracted to masculinity in a crossdresser, transvestite, tgirl that is a matter of personal preference and certainly not "gross" to them. But trying to escalate fetishists to the same level of femininity and sensuality and womanhood as those, who live 24/7 as women and are seriously transitioning is nonsense! Scale Mt. Everest or K2, etc then come tell us your are a mountain climber

[dom r]

Hetero guys are attracted to femininity not masculinity.Crossdressers are no more transwomen than gay men who dress in drag,they are MEN.This takes away respect & recognition from transwomen,who go through arduous process of transition and feminizing.Saying that they are one of same is like saying guy who climbs rock climbing wall is same as mountain climber who scaled Mt. Everest.

Yes a man in woman's clothing is not the same as a transwoman because hes all male but there are some fem guys who were born with additional X chromosomes who appear to look,act and sound a little more feminine than an all man,but are not considered a tgirl.Depending on how much they are,act and look as a female,there should be a word to describe them other than fem guy,and i think it should be a man-transwoman,like in 1st pix of Japan,first 3 fem guys,2nd pix-blonde farthest right and fem guy in middle-(their gender seems to be somewhere in between a man and a tgirl)- https://youtu.be/rl5eWtDgdBI

[TSFantasia]

Yes a man in woman's clothing is not the same as a transwoman because hes all male but there are some fem guys who were born with additional X chromosomes who appear to look,act and sound a little more feminine than an all man,but are not considered a tgirl.Depending on how much they are,act and look as a female,there should be a word to describe them other than fem guy,and i think it should be a man-transwoman,like in 1st pix of Japan,first 3 fem guys,2nd pix-blonde farthest right and fem guy in middle-(their gender seems to be somewhere in between a man and a tgirl)- https://youtu.be/rl5eWtDgdBI

Yes the term "transgender" is "pretty broad" lol I think there's a pun there. It includes intersexed, gender-fluid, non-binary, gender non-conforming individuals. Some of these you mentioned maybe considered more androgynous meaning they can be perceived as either gender as they have male and female characteristics.

Many gay men are effeminate/feminine in appearance and mannerisms but would not consider themselves transgender. The term transgender has typically been defined as individuals whose gender identity wasn't in agreement or conforming to their birth (biological) sex and societal norms for that birth sex.

I would consider myself a binary transsexual woman I embrace most of the norms concerning female fashion, beauty, sensuality, mannerisms, etc. I am by no means perfectly female in all those areas and I hate anything about myself that reminds me or others of my male origins!