Is This Gay?

[Andrew69]

Re: Is This Gay?

People are too hung up on labels. Kinsey published a study on human sexuality quite some decades ago. He concludesd that human sexuality is like a panorama. On one extreme you have absolutely gay, on the opposite extreme you have absolutely straight, most humans fall into the massive grey area in the middle.

[tgirrllover]

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I love tgirls and love to suck tgirl cocks, but also enjoy getting it on with and even fucking and sucking guys....but I know I'm much more attracted to a beautiful woman and a beautiful tgirl than a beautiful man, which makes me believe most tgirl admirers (if they are like me) are effectively more bi (or as Goodhandy's calls it - pansexual) than gay. I initially ventured away from total straightness, simply because I love sexual exploration and found it was a way easier way to get my cock sucked with no or few strings attached than in the straight girl/guy world. Then I found myself thinking about sucking cocks all the time, but am not usually attracted to most guy's looks, just their hard and especially shaved cocks...so tgirls provide me that beautiful medium area of hot, illicit sexual excitement and action, the beauty of a sexy woman, a nice hard cock and the best blow jobs I have ever had.

So my view is its not entirely gay (because if it was it would involve men alone and a mans attraction to tgirls is sort of hetero to begin with in that they are gorgeous women, not masculine or even effeminate men), but nor should it be viewed in any way as straight, because as others have said, if you like cocks in your mouth or ass, that's not straight. Its definitely more gay than straight, but also more in the category of bi, than gay. Not that we care about labels...I'm just glad I've let myself go to enjoy these tastes and not feel weird about it...just wish I had more money and time to enjoy more of these wonderful, cool people, whom I have a lot of respect for, because they have the guts to truly be themselves.

[bluequad]

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Labels Labels Labels! Be who you are, enjoy your life and stop thinking about whether you're straight, bi or gay! Who the hell cares? When I was 13 and had my first orgasm, it was after taking a shower. I wasn't masterbating, I wasn't doing anything other than toweling myself dry. Does that mean I'm attracted to towels? When I masterbate and use my hand, does that mean I'm into incest? Hell no! But you see where labeling yourself or someone else is the most rediculous thing we do as human beings.

[shy_girl]

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Let's all face the fact that people in general are afraid of labels, otherwise men who are into transsexuals are not hiding in the closet or marrying women even though they can not stand their pussies. This is a fact and can someone correct me if I'm wrong. Let me ask this queston; how many men in this forum are married yet still craving for a tgirl cock. Hmmmm.....now we're talking more than half of the members here. Another question I may add; how many men in this forum are into tgirls who are single and still thinking of marrying a woman? One more question; how many men in this forum have steady girlfriends who are doing tgirls on the side? Can someone please answer my questions? Hmmmm....now we are talking.

Can someone correct and challenge this fact and reality. So are we or aren't we afraid of labels? Yes we are!

Let us face it folks...it is easier said than done. Before posting...just make sure that you can walk the walk and talk the talk!

[bluequad]

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You're right Shy_girl. Most people are afraid of being labeled. That's exactly why labeling yourself or others is so rediculous and what we shouldn't do to each other or ourselves. Labels whether they are sexual or any other type are negative and cause problems for all of us. A label you're given will be looked upon negatively by someone who doesn't share your ideals. It could be an employer, a friend, a family member, a stranger, anyone! Any way you look at it, Labels are bad news!

[shy_girl]

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You are absolutely right, therefore, we need to change this. Change is easy said done than but little baby steps change would make a difference. People should start to look at sexuality in a different perspective. We need to be true to ourselves. We are all guilty of this, I know I am as well.

[Dr Strangelove]

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To be gay would mean too accept the whole gay lifestyle. If someone enjoys being with shemales but has no attraction to males physically or mentally how could this person be considered gay??

The whole process of being gay is determined on how you want too live your life.

Enjoying a beautiful transexual doesn't make you anymore gay as enjoying a alcoholic drink makes you into an alcoholic..

[toban]

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To be gay would mean too accept the whole gay lifestyle. If someone enjoys being with shemales but has no attraction to males physically or mentally how could this person be considered gay??

The whole process of being gay is determined on how you want too live your life.

Enjoying a beautiful transexual doesn't make you anymore gay as enjoying a alcoholic drink makes you into an alcoholic..

I like your way of thinking, Doctor!

[shy_girl]

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Comparing an alcoholic to a drink of alcohol is totally different from being labeled as gay. Having a drink of alcohol alcohol does not make you an alcoholic but engaging in any sexual behaviour involving a penis does make you gay. Nice rationale there but it only works to those who has a lame excuse to hide inside thier closet but technically you are gay if you like dicks...period.

Quit this labeling nonsense...if you like to suck dick....good for you.

[toban]

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....................................... but engaging in any sexual behaviour involving a penis does make you gay.

Nice rationale there but it only works to those who has a lame excuse to hide inside thier closet but technically you are gay if you like dicks...period.

Quit this labeling nonsense ...if you like to suck dick....good for you.

Re; Above statements:

#1 - Says who?

#2 - Do you like dick shy_girl? If so, then by your definition you too are gay and I believe that you have as much as said so elsewhere in this thread. That is fine if you wish to be so known.

#3 - So anyone who likes MTF transgendered girls is gay too?

Now, now shy_girl, you make some interesting points in your posts in this thread, but are you not guilty yourself, of labelling when you say that all Tgirl fans are GAY?

Perhaps you should take your own advice to "Quit this labeling nonsense".

Geez, you've just labelled me and I can't recall ever being labelled gay before. Not nice!

[Baloo]

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Before you go at each other...here is some info I found about the subject, I copied it of a forum that was discussing the subject:

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The phenomenon of males being attracted sexually to shemales is known
in the scientific literature as "gynandromorphophilia", literally
meaning "love of males in the shape of females". This term was coined
by my friend and colleague Dr. Ray Blanchard. If you or the original
poster wish to find out the truth (so far as it is known by science)
you should consider using gynandromorphophilia as a search term,
either on the Internet or at any of a number of portal sites for
searching the medical or psychological literature, for example Pubmed
at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi.

A brief exploration of the subject will turn up any number of
respectable references, none of which agrees with the sentiment
expressed in your comment. Here is a partial summary:

(1) Gynandromorphophilia is a distinct erotic interest, not
necessarily associated with homosexual or transgender behaviours. See
Blanchard, R. and Collins, P.I. J.Nerv.Ment.Dis. 181:570-575, 1993. I
happened to be present when Dr. Blanchard presented this paper at the
Harry Bejamin International Symposium on Gender Dysphoria in New York.

(2) Men who are interested in shemales identify overwhelmingly as
heterosexual. Even men who are erotically aroused by themselves in a
female presentation, known as "autogynephilia", do not identify as
homosexual. As Dr. Blanchard reports in the Journal of Abnormal
Psychology. Vol 101(2) May 1992, 271-276, "This finding supports the
hypothesis that autogynephilia is a misdirected type of heterosexual
impulse, which arises in association with normal heterosexuality but
also competes with it."

(3) Fetishistic arousal (as with shemale pornography) is strongly
associated with non-homosexual types of cross-gender behaviour. See
Blanchard, Ray:Archives of Sexual Behavior. Vol 14(3) Jun 1985,
247-261.

These references and many others support the following tenets of male
sexuality, which are empirically observed by those in the field:

(1) Homosexual men are not generally attracted to any form of female
sexual presentation.

(2) Sexual fantasies and the use of pornography do not necessarily
have any bearing upon personal behaviour or real world sexual
preferences.

(3) An overwhelming majority of men who express an interest in, or
sexual arousal by, shemale erotica would identify unequivocally as
heterosexual.

For further reference, you may wish to begin at the excellent web page
maintained by J. Michael Bailey, Professor and Chair of the Department
of Psychology at Northwestern University. Here's the link to his page
of Blanchard abstracts:

http://www.psych.nwu.edu/psych/peopl.../blanchard.htm

And here is the link to the page about Dr. Bailey's book, "The Man Who
Would Be Queen: The Science and Psychology of Gender Bending and
Transsexualism". You can read the book on-line, or buy it from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

Another excellent reference is at http://www.autogynephilia.org/ where
you will find links to much of the work that has contributed to the
field.

I admit that there has perhaps been more high profile research into
female sexuality, fantasy and the use of pornography in recent years,
and rightly so. The enormous social problem of violence aginst women
has prompted many researchers to examine female fantasies and the role
they play in sexual assault. Enlightened by these studies, it would
never occur to a thinking person to assume that a female rape fantasy
would translate into a real world behaviour. Even so undistinguished a
source as The Discovery Channel has got this message:

"Having a fantasy about a particular sexual practice or activity does
not mean that a person actually wishes to engage in that behavior or
that he/she would enjoy the behavior. "

Taken from: http://health.discovery.com/centers/...a/fantasy.html

That research into female use of fantasy is perhaps more prominent and
accessible, however, does not excuse your comment in any way
pinkfreud. To suggest that gynandromorphophilia is indicative of male
homosexuality is an outrage equal to suggesting that female rape
fantasy is indicative of a woman's actual desire to be raped. Both are
contradicted by reliable information that is readily available to you
as a Google Researcher.
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Interesting stuff huh? This may relax lots of folks................. you gynandromorphophiliacs

[writerguy]

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Now that is a good post and informative without the dreaded labels. I have to agree that there is no way I would consider myself gay but I love tgirls. And let me throw another ingredient into the pot...I love tgirls that have not had implants but have small breasts. Is that a matter of personal taste or does that make me more 'gay'? I'm not really expecting an answer, I just loved the thread and the information provided. Great job lads and lasses.

[HardJohnny]

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Well it surely doesnt make you straight...

im straight as an arrow and ill tilt my cam down to prove it lol

I ain't gay. But I'll do you any day.

[ts_mercedes]

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lose the labels and just enjoy

[truck]

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I watch shemale porn and get aroused just like anybody else whos into shemales..
I cant watch gay porn, seeing two guys french kiss makes me sick literally...
i remember when i first seen it on Jerry Springer, I had nightmares..
But shemales for me are different, its like im looking at a woman,..thats all that in my mind...female...

i dont think it makes you gay, the only thing is that you/we are watching gay sex, homosexual behaviour because of the anal sex..
and oral sex,...man sucking a shemales cock is homosexual behaviour...cant get around that..

never had intercourse with a shemale, i dont think i would feel comfortable with looking at a shemales penis while fucking her...
sometimes seeing a shemales cock makes me wanna suck it, like thos shemale pornstarts...but i guess its just fanatsy..