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    Like many of you, I am a straight man who has gradually developed an appreciation for sexy, feminine shemales. After years of fantasizing, I finally took the plunge and made a date with a shemale escort. My date was with an escort who has been occasionally mentioned on this Board, but I cannot recall seeing any posts by her on the Board.

    I expected an evening of very hot sex and was not disappointed. My girl was feminine, sweet, smart, gentle and genuinely affectionate. She was also extremely sexy, passionate and rock hard.

    Here’s the twist: After an hour or so of mutual sucking and fucking, we relaxed and talked for a while. I discovered that my girl is a highly intelligent, sensitive and thoughtful person with whom I have a lot in common. We have continued seeing each other and have developed feelings for each other which go well beyond mere lust.

    In getting to know my girl I have also come to understand the transgender community a little better. What I have learned concerns me, not just as a man who is attracted to transsexual women, but as a person who cares about human rights and dignity for all in our society.

    These women that we admire so much for their physical beauty and femininity are part of a community which exists on the fringes of our society. Here in Toronto, arguably one of the most tolerant cities in the world, transgender people face enormous challenges in merely trying to live the kind of normal life that we take for granted. Many find it impossible to find meaningful work, due to either overt discrimination or simply having to endure constant stares, gossip and innuendo. Many have been unable to settle down in stable monogamous relationships because our oh-so-tolerant society still does not really accept trans women as women, and does not accept relationships between men and trans women as “normal”. Let’s be honest: how many of us would be prepared to not only have sex with a shemale in a discrete, anonymous location, but actually have a serious, out-in-the-open relationship with any of the t-girls we admire? Not suprisingly, the marginalization of transsexuals has led to higher than average rates of poverty, unemployment, mental illness, substance abuse issues.

    Gentlemen, the sad fact is that many of the shemale escorts who we admire would almost certainly be in other lines of work if they had the same options that other members of our society have.

    And let’s not forget the more blatant forms of discrimination. Just last week, 2 Toronto t-girls were insulted, ridiculed and assaulted by some of Toronto’s finest. Their offence? They were sitting in a coffee shop chatting quietly when Mr. Tough Guy cop struts in, tells them “I can’t stand your type”, orders them to leave, and then forcibly throws them out the door. His 2 cop buddies stood by laughing. Unfortunately, this type of incident is not rare for our beloved t-girls. As a small, fragmented (they seem to have virtually no political or lobby organization to represent their interests), marginalized, and yet very visible minority group, they are natural targets for bigots and bullies. I doubt whether there is any other group in our society today which is as vulnerable to this sort of treatment as transsexuals.

    I am not so naïve as to think that these problems are going to be solved by the members of this Board – I think it is primarily up to the t-girls themselves to organize and agitate for the respect and equal rights that they fully deserve to have - but I do wonder if those of us who claim to admire t-girls so much bear some small responsibility for raising awareness of these issues and helping to change the way our society views t-girls. Surely these beautiful women are not just sex objects to us, but rather human beings who we care about and want to see respected and treated with basic human dignity. Wouldn’t we rather live in a society where it will be fully socially acceptable for us to marry and settle down with t-girls, should we choose to do so?

    One final thought. I had always assumed that the legal and political rights of transsexuals were intimately connected with the movement of gays and lesbians for equality and acceptance. Not correct. Although many of the t-girls are part of the fringes of the gay community, there are clear differences between the two groups and t-girls often face discrimination within the gay community. Further, while organizations which advocate for the rights of gays and lesbians often claim to also represent the interests of transsexuals, the t-girls I have spoken with have told me that their issues are usually pretty far down on the list of priorities of gay rights organizations.

    I hope there is room on this board for discussion of the broader subject of admiration and respect for t-girls, not just admiration for their beauty and skills in the bedroom.

    MacX


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    Great post Mac!!!!! Im pretty sure a lot of people here will agree with you! Me first!!!!


    Wolvy

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    • #3
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      Hypocrite... i know that im not.... I admirer them for what they do and the mental power that they have... most of the common people wouldnt be able to support this stress and the sacrifices that it takes!!! I think that the more we support them.. the more everyone will understand that they are not that different than anybody!!!


      Wolvy

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      • #4
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        This is the best thing I ever read here. Thanks MacX for saying this...

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        • #5
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          Wow!!!! Cheers to you MacX!!! I would say that this is a step in the right direction!!!
          Thank you for you thoughts.
          Poker Broker

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            I agree with your post almost 100%. I am one of those people who have dated transsexuals, been seen in public with them, dinners, movies etc. I agree that they are marginalised and that their interests are not necessarily the same as the gay community. I consider myself heterosexual, so it took me a while to become accustom to dating transsexuals and becoming comfortable being in public with them. There are people on this board who wouldn't be seen in public with a TS and keep this side of them a secret. Many people including many transsexuals would judge them for it. I would not, as long as they are respectful and courteous on their "date". Not everyone is prepared to make public their interest in transsexuals. Some will eventually and some will never. .

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            • #7
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              This is one of the most eloquent descriptions of feelings that I have read, and delves heavily into of the "secret society" into which most of us, I suspect, subscribe.

              This message digs deep into our most intimate beliiefs, and deserves attention.

              I, for one, agree wholehearitedly with the sentiments expressed.

              Not so succinctly I say......Tgirrls rock!!! Just look at some of our girrls..........

              We should be proud, our Tgrrirls are beautiful, we need to support them - and this is THE Canadian forum to support them. We may even be able to help our friemds elsewhere on the planet.

              Now, let's relax and have some fun

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              • #8
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                I couldn't agree with you more man... the United States is much more twisted in the way it views things that are not "normal".  People hate what they don't understand and it's just sad.  I've actually sent pictures of some really attractive t-girls (with clothes on) to some of my guy friends to see what they'd think and right away they were like "wow she looks hot"... then when I let them in on the secret that homegirl was packing heat down below, they freaked out like a bunch of homophobes.  It was ridiculous.  I will never understand the hederosexual-male mentality that a dick is a scary nasty filthy thing unless it's your own.  Am I a freak because I get turned on by a hot chick with a big dick?  I think I'm just honest about what turns me on because I could care less what anyone else thinks about me.  And this isn't even the biggest issue here....    these girls don't have anyone backing them up in congress, they don't have anyone fighting for their rights... and I just wish there was something we could do about it.  We live in a world with so many double standards, if those cops you were talking about did that to a couple of black men, they would probably lose their jobs if not their lives.  But since it was those darn shemales, oh thats quite alright. 

                I guess we just have to count on kharma to work its magic.  We are a unique group of people on this message board, we share a love for something wonderful that many people don't even realize how good of a thing it is that they are missing.

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                • #9
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                  Great post!

                  Cheers!

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                  • #10
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                    Welcome to the forum MacX (a connection to Spike Lee's Malcom X perhaps?)
                    Enjoyed your thoughts and comments on this issue.

                    Flick

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by tai
                      I agree with your post almost 100%. I am one of those people who have dated transsexuals, been seen in public with them, dinners, movies etc. I agree that they are marginalised and that their interests are not necessarily the same as the gay community. I consider myself heterosexual, so it took me a while to become accustom to dating transsexuals and becoming comfortable being in public with them. There are people on this board who wouldn't be seen in public with a TS and keep this side of them a secret. Many people including many transsexuals would judge them for it. I would not, as long as they are respectful and courteous on their "date". Not everyone is prepared to make public their interest in transsexuals. Some will eventually and some will never. .


                      Ouch I hate to say it but I agree with Tai ;D

                      Random thoughts(me being honest, don't throw stones):

                      There are MANY who would love to have a relationship with a tgirl behind closed doors and as long as none of their friends find out. I have tried showing some of my friends who are into porn (like myself) shemale content but they respond with a ewww man get that away from here. Now I wouldn't be suprised if those same people are the ones on this board ;D but that's life you cannot expect all to admit or learn to like everything. It will never happen. I'm sure the girls know this and just like genitic girls all they really want is respect and to be treated the same as others. Being treated the same and getting special treatment are two different things.

                      This might sound off but I would think that PORN and tgirl escorts are 101% responsible for elavating the status of trans girls. I would not know anything about tgirls if it wasn't for porn. If you check out the personals sites there are many tgirls on there now and you know I think they even have options for you to select your gender as trans I think? I'm talking about all the sites and escorts that have been around for many years they have started this wave of shemale porn that is huge. Do you think that these tgirls on the personals sites would even be on there if it wasn't for all the tgirl escorts that made it acceptable and beautiful and very sexy for us to be with a tgirl, no.

                      Yes trans girls are thought in general to be sex objects or escorts or from internet porn but that is how it has been for the past many many years. This is how I think this community has evolved - through the sex trade/porn. Of course the ladies would like to have monogomus relationships that are very open and not focoused on sex. I laugh at people like Canadace from face pic as this is a girl who obviously does not like escorts but she would not be on face-pic if it wasn't for escorts.

                      Would you yourself MX know anything about this community if it wasn't for a escort?

                      Its unfortunate that many are thought as sex objects but that is the basic background behind that. As everything takes time I would say this is not going to change anytime soon but if you understand how message boards like this one that seem to be more than your avarage review site help promote tgirls to an audience that might not otherwise know anything about them I think their stauts in society will rise. It might be a slow rise but it will be a sure rise. If you think about it most females are thought of sex objects  too, only after we meet them do we have any inclination of having a relationship. Most guys think fuck first friend second - the smart ones think - Friend first - multiple fucks second 

                      I'm sorry for the way your friends were treated MX but I would like to point out that there are bad apples in every group and the Toronto Police force is made up of a fine group of people. Some may not agree with this but as far as concerning Toronto's diverse community I truly believe that having Julian Fantino leave the force is a big mistake. This man made pretty much everything that the force did wrong  public and it didn't have to be this way. I think he was extremely honest in stating all the mistakes his force made and admitted there are many changes that need to be made.  I think all of Toronto should hope for a new chief who is willing to be so public about all the mistakes their force makes and of course they will make mistakes.

                      As far as trans people go there is no reason to be "unorganised" or "scattered". Lawyers love everyone and there will always be someone willing to take your case. Especially here in Toronto you have your pick of some of the best Human rights Lawyers  as there must be some type of discrimination case brought before the courts on a weekly basis ;D Deciding to fight the police is of course different then fighting your boss.

                      I feel my post was very "scatterd" and "unorganised"  Be kind its my firast day back in a while.

                      Please go back to whatever you were doing. ;D

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                        meh, they probably deserved it. The freaks

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                        • #13
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                          Respectfully, I beg to differ with your last post MacX. TS are not sexually exploited any more nor less than any other slice of society. One could argue that women as a whole are sexually exploited given the amount of porn that's existed over the years both in hardcore and softcore forms. Over the years, it's become more acceptable to see flesh in places that we as kids would never have seen. In parts of Asia, Bangkok for example, "sexual exploitation" is rampant by North American standards. As another example, Toronto and likely the rest of the world has seen a recent influx of escorts from Russia and other former Soviet-bloc countries. Are they too sexually exploited to the point of being unable to do anything else?

                          I don't deny that there are issues with transgendered ladies entering mainstream society. But let's face it, whether it be a TS or a "genetic girl (GG)", anyone who has been in the sex industry is going to have difficulty entering "the real world". How does an escort explain a gap of a year or two or three in a resume? One can't say, "I was an escort" - that's just not done. And therein lies the difficulty. A lot of ladies, both TS and GG get into this business which we all enjoy to varying degrees. The reasons for entering the business are varied but once they're in, most find it very difficult to get out. Let's face it - for the most part the money is pretty good, the hours aren't bad and there's a lot of freedom involved in the lifestyle. But the more you get in, the harder it is to get out.

                          At a higher level, I think that the TS community must persevere as lesbians and gays did. It took a long time, and we're still not there yet, but on the whole I think that lesbians and gays are generally accepted in Toronto society. Bisexuals are low key but they too generally seem to be tolerated. TS will have to use the same awareness campaigns to fight for their rights. And over time, it is my personal hope that they too will be accepted in mainstream society as well.

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                            I should also add, we have a person here at the office (our Toronto office is about 700 people) who is on his way to transforming. This person used to sit on the same floor as me, but that department was recently shuffled to another floor so I don't see this person much. As far as I know, the transformation is complete and this person is now living full-time as a female. Anyhow, I'm sure if you were to ask this person about the experience, the response would be that it was tough. I can imagine! Here we have a person who was obviously male, becoming over time more female. The hair was grown long, the hormones started to kick in and physical changes resulted, then "he" started to wear high heels to the office and carry a purse even though "he" still looked rather male. This person used to go to the male bathroom but always used the stall instead of the urinal.

                            Like I said, this person is on a different floor now so I don't know how the transformation has progressed, but here's one person who toughed it out while working in a normal office job. It is possible, but it's not easy.

                            By way of contrast, in an office of 700 people I'm quite certain that we've got a few who are gay / lesbian. But one never really knows the sexual orientation of a person and one never asks either. The difference with TS is that unless they are fully transformed, they are visible. That makes it easy to "pick them out". This person who was transforming was easy to see. We all saw the changes more or less as they occurred. But to his credit, this person never fussed about anything, never purposely drew attention to what was going on and didn't go on some crusade. He just went about his life.  And on the whole I think people don't mind if a person - lesbian, gay or TS - goes about their business quietly without fuss and just leads their life. (Notable exceptions of course, but on average I think that's true.)

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by MacX
                              However, there is apparently no shortage of men wanting to f**k transsexuals, provided none of their friends or family know about it.  We therefore have a demand for sex with trans women, but not relationships.  These are the conditions in which the transsexual escort business exists and thrives. 
                              But this is true of any escort. Just take the excerpt I quoted above and remove the word "transsexual" and the statement is still true. Escorts, be they transsexual or female or even male (I guess), all have their difficulties in establishing "normal" relationships.

                              Just think about it - you come home from work. You're tired and you're just happy to be home. Your significant other asks you "How was work today dear?" You go through your day, venting about whatever and revelling in the successes you had. Then you ask the obvious question, "And how was your day?" "Oh, I fucked 3 - 4 guys and made about $1000. THe first guy was really great! Let me tell you ..."

                              It takes a special man who can stand the thought of his SO f*cking other strangers.

                              Note - I am not coming down at all on escorts. I dated one for over a year. It broke my heart when we went our separate ways and even now, a long time later, it still hurts. I know from experience the troubles she had trying to stay within society and the lies she told her parents and her siblings and the grief it caused her.

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