Safe zones in Toronto?

[Rantsalot]

The idea would see a managed neighborhood in the city where all the escorts would all live in the same area and have access to a health clinic/hospital, police, assorted businesses and constant protection. To give a broader picture. A piece of the city as big as 10 square blocks long .


The Netherlands for those who are familiar has been using this idea for years now. The most common place known of course is the "Red Light District". Escorts are licensed to work and operate within the zone and with their own police officers separate from the rest of the city.

Places such as restaurants, galleries and so forth also get some leniency operating in this zone to provide potential buyers such goods not easily found or banned outside of the community. For example, the purchasing of erotic art or food containing a hallucinogen.


From accounts by my friends who have traveled to such areas and not necessarily in the Netherlands they've stated that this kind of 'zoning' benefited everyone due to the organizing of security and advertising and what not.


The U.K. also has areas like this but not as widely known.



What do you think? Should Toronto follow this idea?

[tslisaparadise]

The idea would see a managed neighborhood in the city where all the escorts would all live in the same area and have access to a health clinic/hospital, police, assorted businesses and constant protection. To give a broader picture. A piece of the city as big as 10 square blocks long .


The Netherlands for those who are familiar has been using this idea for years now. The most common place known of course is the "Red Light District". Escorts are licensed to work and operate within the zone and with their own police officers separate from the rest of the city.

Places such as restaurants, galleries and so forth also get some leniency operating in this zone to provide potential buyers such goods not easily found or banned outside of the community. For example, the purchasing of erotic art or food containing a hallucinogen.


From accounts by my friends who have traveled to such areas and not necessarily in the Netherlands they've stated that this kind of 'zoning' benefited everyone due to the organizing of security and advertising and what not.


The U.K. also has areas like this but not as widely known.



What do you think? Should Toronto follow this idea?

absolutly not

[Rockheart]

The idea would see a managed neighborhood in the city where all the escorts would all live in the same area and have access to a health clinic/hospital, police, assorted businesses and constant protection. To give a broader picture. A piece of the city as big as 10 square blocks long .

The Netherlands for those who are familiar has been using this idea for years now. The most common place known of course is the "Red Light District". Escorts are licensed to work and operate within the zone and with their own police officers separate from the rest of the city.

Places such as restaurants, galleries and so forth also get some leniency operating in this zone to provide potential buyers such goods not easily found or banned outside of the community. For example, the purchasing of erotic art or food containing a hallucinogen.

From accounts by my friends who have traveled to such areas and not necessarily in the Netherlands they've stated that this kind of 'zoning' benefited everyone due to the organizing of security and advertising and what not.

The U.K. also has areas like this but not as widely known.

What do you think? Should Toronto follow this idea?

You will most likely see something like this happen in the future in Toronto but probably not the same model as the Amsterdam one.
Looks like Amsterdam has let it run wild and is trying to clean it up now.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/109373?gt1=10856
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/wo...amsterdam.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/amst...740220194.html

However as long as they still have Hash bars, I'm ok with it.

I think Amsterdam may continue to have some form of legalized prostitiution after the clean up, much like Singapore.

I do not think something like this would affect escorts in Toronto, it would just contain all the street workers to one area.

[Rockheart]

Also Amsterdam used to have Tippelzones (pick up zones) located outside the city. It was basically a drive through with cubicals you could drive your car right into.

Germany tried this during the World Cup to try and get prostitution away from the tourists as much as possible. They called theirs Verrichtungsbox (Performance Boxes).

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...641575,00.html
http://www.walnet.org/csis/news/worl...rn-020517.html
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im..._amsterdam.jpg

I went to sex hotels in Brazil where they had little garages you drive into to hide your car, then you could close the door and hide your car from view. The garage of course was attached to a room.
This place is the shit, you will notice much Brazilian porn is made here.
http://www.vipsmotel.com.br/principal_ing.html

We had a party in this room.
http://www.vipsmotel.com.br/mille/mille3_ing.html
Dany Evangelista was rubbing her ass on one of the sheets of glass on the right beside the pool and it fell out and smashed into the pool.
Great place.

[topme]

All that said, would anyone recommend or discourage seeing a TGirl in the Red Light District over a local girl? My thinking is that the money I would put toward a good girl here can go toward two or three good girls there, plus the variety, My only concern is the safety (physically and sexual).

Any thoughts please and thanks?

[JAY_SAUGA]

hey my house is in a safe zone if any of you sexy ladies wanna feel safe

[toban]

It is an idea worthy of serious consideration, BUT

Do you actually believe that you could you ever see Toronto "The Good" agreeing to sanction such a "park" within its' boundaries? Below is a clipping from yesterdays National Post which I believe explains why it will likely never happen. If by chance it were to happen before the next Millenium, it would be so over-regulated that it would be an horrific nightmare.

Turning Toronto into a Nanny State: Allison Hanes, National Post Published: Friday, July 25, 2008


Photos Regulations and bylaws are turning Canada's largest city into a coddled town.

The fate of a new waterfront park that opened last summer stands as a poignant example of an overriding culture of micromanagement that is gripping city hall in Canada's largest metropolis. The winning design concept called for an artificial urban beach with iconic yellow umbrellas dotting an expanse of sand stretching to the water, allowing urban dwellers the chance to dip their toes in Lake Ontario.

But after the fun police got ahold of the plan, the beach was shrunk to a glorified sandbox, a pathway and a railing were erected at the water's edge to keep clumsy Torontonians from falling in the lake, and the umbrellas were heightened and straightened so nobody would be able to climb on them.

Toronto is a city that loves to make rules. There are long-time restrictions on smoking, pesticide use, idling vehicles and beauty contestants flaunting their assets at Nathan Phillips Square. There could soon be rules on the availability of bathrooms at big box stores, the amount of shade in city parks, the health content of vending machine snacks and the amount of organic or local produce that should be served to wards of city day cares and nursing homes. Plans to expand the menus at street food carts – to empanadas, gyros or falafel – have been bogged down over concerns about the safety of selling anything other than precooked hotdogs.

And when there aren't bylaws there are plenty of warnings. Toronto Public Health recently warned against children under age 8 using cell phones except in emergencies. And parks staff plastered stickers on slides and swing sets this summer advising parental supervision in city playgrounds.

City council and the army of bureaucrats behind it are forever finding new ways to protect Torontonians from each other and themselves, but some wonder at what point Toronto risks becoming a nanny state. "There's this mentality that people can't monitor their own behaviour so the city needs to do it for them and spend money to do it," said Karen Stintz, a midtown councillor who often finds herself at odds with her colleagues over whether to legislate or let common sense prevail.

David Harsanyi is the author of a recent book on the phenomenon, Nanny State: How Food Fascists, Teetotaling Do-Gooders, Priggish Moralists and Other Boneheaded Bureaucrats are Turning America into a Nation of Children. In an interview, he said a nanny state results when legislators valuing safety above freedom and developing policies that coerce healthy living rather than promoting it. He would definitely characterize Toronto's forthcoming shade regulations as nannying.

"Can people in Toronto not take care of their own sunburns?" he said. "I've never heard of this one before."

[toban]

An afterthought

I believe the major stumbling block for this concept to be accepted by Toronto would be what Harsanyi calls the "Priggish Moralists" and Boneheaded Bureauocrats"!

[Rockheart]

Toronto's need for Rules and Order is what will drive them to eventually zone prostitution. It is impossible to stop it, so they will have to give in and control it.

Other more mature cities have already realized this and done this.

Singapore has rules about everything, chewing gum is even illegal there.
However in cleaning up the city they have a designated red light area which is contained in a few square blocks. It is a very clean upscale neighbourhood with many nice hotels and offices around, including the hilton right across the street.

It is really just a big office building full of various go go bars and discos.
Some of them are for ladyboys, or mixed.
You will never be hassled by authorities at these complexes.

[Paco]

"I think Amsterdam may continue to have some form of legalized prostitiution after the clean up, much like Singapore."

Didn't know that. Have you been there?

[jonsonrod]

hey my house is in a safe zone if any of you sexy ladies wanna feel safe

HAHAHAHA yes guy!

[Rockheart]

"I think Amsterdam may continue to have some form of legalized prostitiution after the clean up, much like Singapore."

Didn't know that. Have you been there?

I have not been to Amsterdam but I took those three pictures in Singapore in March, when I visit there with my Thai ladyboy friend.
Romeo and Wild Horse are both ladyboy bars.

[Rantsalot]

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O.k. Just to throw it into the mix. What about Montreal and what of Vancouver? Would those of you consider those 2 cities being more open to the idea than Toronto? As it is I can't imagine any other location in Canada where this idea could work/be accepted.

Maybe Ottawa but that's a huge stretch.

[Rockheart]

Vancouver has sort of a designated drug users area, so a red light district is not a far fetched thought.

[Paco]

Prostitutes and hard core drug users are the lowest of the low.

Trannies and gays are not far behind unless they too are prostitutes and hardcore drug users (surprisingly a large number are)

I think that we should adopt William Shockley's idea of paying degenerates a stipend and free drugs as long as they are "fixed" so they cannot reproduce!!!

It may not do much for homo's as it probably is not significantly heritable but for the other low lifes of society it should reduce their numbers.