A must read for T-Girl admirers.

[toban]

On this day in 2005 one of the best known T-girls anywhere took her own life. Below is a quote taken from the pages of Bob's T-Girls, a website dedicated obviously, to the transgendered. Apparently he knew her well, had photographed her many times and featured her photos and videos on his website. I have not reproduced the whole piece here but I have selected a section that I feel is appropriate to post on the Forum. Bob's sentiments are something that all who habituate this Forum, would do well to emulate.

Please read this and consider your own relationship with the girls you have met and known both on this Forum or elsewhere. We should all attempt to follow Bob's exemplary attitude!

Quote from Bob of Bob’s T-girls
On the anniversary of the death of Camilla De Castro on July 27, 2005

"We will probably never know what drove her to that fatal decision. But I do know that transsexuals live a very difficult life. Men often treat them as nothing more than sex toys. I hope I've done more than that here. All I can say is that these girls are people with feelings like everyone else and with problems that us guys will never understand. So when you have the opportunity to meet one of these lovely girls, treat her special, even if you are simply on a pay-date. The sexual novelty is great but there are much more rewarding experiences that can be had with these girls if you are willing to pursue it."

[cobbler]

mutual respect

I've never known why some people see fit to denigrate others who are different to them or their idea of what is "normal". Mutual respect is not some catch phrase but a credo by which we are supposed to live our lives. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Simple, non religious, and the only way we can make life on this spinning orb bearable.
Give a thought to the disenfranchised among us and instead of sneering wonder if you would have the dignity to live a full life if you were in their shoes.

[JAY_SAUGA]

prob. the first t-girl i ever jacked off too

R.I.P Camilla

[toban]

Hallelujah!

Good for you cobbler! My thoughts exactly.

It's too bad more of us are not able to see the truth in this, especially when it takes so little effort to accomplish and in the long run,it pays back many times over!

I've never known why some people see fit to denigrate others who are different to them or their idea of what is "normal". Mutual respect is not some catch phrase but a credo by which we are supposed to live our lives. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Simple, non religious, and the only way we can make life on this spinning orb bearable.
Give a thought to the disenfranchised among us and instead of sneering wonder if you would have the dignity to live a full life if you were in their shoes.

[Paco]

"But I do know that transsexuals live a very difficult life. Men often treat them as nothing more than sex toys. I hope I've done more than that here."

This coming from a man whose livelihood centers on treating transsexuals as sex objects.

LOL at Bob!!!

[sensual_lover20]

"But I do know that transsexuals live a very difficult life. Men often treat them as nothing more than sex toys. I hope I've done more than that here."

This coming from a man whose livelihood centers on treating transsexuals as sex objects.

LOL at Bob!!!

Porn with a conscience

[Rockheart]

Bob's a decent guy from what i hear, although I have never met him.
He was a pioneer in the Tgirl business and it wouldn't be what it is today without him.

He has hung around with TS in LA before the internet started and I believe he started because all the tgirls told him that he should.
He started shooting for shemaleyum.com a bit at first.
Alot of the tgirls he shot were his friends, never heard a bad story about his shoots. He gave many a tgirl her start and got some of them very famous.
A majority of the tgirls we shoot are escorts so we probably treat them less like sex objects that customers do in some ways.

Anyway Bob has had alot of relationships with TS and think he has the right to that statement.

[toban]

For those who missed the point of my post

I think that Craig's assessment of Bob is correct, and as one of Shemale YUMs regular contributors, he is priviledged to more insightful material than any of us here, including info on Bob and his T-Girl site.

I have joined Bob's T-Girls occasionally so I can see what he has that's new. I have clicked through the whole sight and have viewed all the sets he has posted, going back many years.

In his forward to each set of a particular girl, he points out how he had become aquainted with her and most often they have met at a local night spot or at a party or that one of the girls he had met before had brought their friend to meet him.

He hosts many partys at his home, which he regularly films and at which many of these girls have been invited as friends, not as sex toys. It appears to me that he has a true relationship with many of these girls, and you get that sense too from his conversations with them, so I can not subscribe to the concept that he is only using them as sex toys or objects.

Certainly Bob's T-Girls has now developed into a profitable business for him, but besides whatever personal benefit he derives from this business, his "girls" must also must derive considerable benefit from the exposure they receive as a result.

In any case I did not post that excerpt from Bob's "in Memorium" to his friend Camilla so that he would be the focus, but to present the bolded portion relating to the way in which you and I should treat all other persons, regardless of their circumstance in life.

I will reiterate that message once more, in RED this time, for those of you who seem to have overlooked the significance of the bold portion!

Quote from Bob of Bob?s T-girls
On the anniversary of the death of Camilla De Castro on July 27, 2005

"We will probably never know what drove her to that fatal decision. But I do know that transsexuals live a very difficult life. Men often treat them as nothing more than sex toys. I hope I've done more than that here.

All I can say is that these girls are people with feelings like everyone else and with problems that us guys will never understand.

So when you have the opportunity to meet one of these lovely girls, treat her special, even if you are simply on a pay-date. The sexual novelty is great but there are much more rewarding experiences that can be had with these girls if you are willing to pursue it."

[Amethyst Dark]

the better the guy treats me, the better I treat them. I think anyone performs at their best when they have a mutual respect going with their partner. If you wanna "get off" I'm there for that and then gone; if you wanna relate, I've got all day to chat and play and ....

What kindof mileage do you want really? a fuck or an *experience*

Camille will be missed, I never knew her but I knew of her and I know that toban and Bob have the right idea, shemale go through hell!

A grrl worries about her appearance, tgrrls have to add more to that, as well as expenses through the roof! Stigmatism, ridicule, loneliness/isolation, trepidation (am I doing the right thing for me), moral struggles (someone in another thread said Tgrrl escorts have messed up morals, I don't think we do; the morals are in place however, what's more important being you or looking like someone of another gender trying to look like you) Then there are things like grrl fears (you can't go out at night alone, bars and pickups can be scary, public transportation, rape, abuse, slavery) "Just a Girl" by No Doubt highlights alot of these fears and the "Take Back" attitude this behavior from men is fostering. Finally, there's all the things everyone worries about; rent, bills, food, travel expenses, gas, love, popularity, friendship; Maslow's Needs, yanno?

[Paco]

How old is bob?

Is he rich?

That sounds something that an old rich guy who has trannies hanging off him for his money says or just some fluff to appease trannies he has to deal with business wise on a daily basis.

[Rockheart]

How old is bob?

Is he rich?

That sounds something that an old rich guy who has trannies hanging off him for his money says or just some fluff to appease trannies he has to deal with business wise on a daily basis.

Bob has hung around with TS for years, dated them etc.
i think he was/is a business man but not super rich or anything.
Don't think he would have been considered old when he started doing this.

He is not into trannies because he saw them on the internet, like the majority of guys. Bob has always been into TS.

TS like Bob because he truly is attracted to them and understands them, he as a person is not just there to use them as sex objects. Every TS can be treated as a sex object and sometimes that is exactly what they want. I think at issue is guys who ONLY treat TS as sex objects, that is not Bob.

Tgirls do hang around with, and date, guys that are not clients or rich or old.
I like TS for sex too, but I also see them as people, and students, and children, and employees etc.etc.