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[Tia Phoenixx]

This subject is becoming more interesting.

I can only speak about myself: I'm NOT a transsexual/shemale. I love my body and face and never ever think of changing sex or to become a woman. I am an androgynous...the pure type. Sometimes i feel like being born as a hybrid...having masculine and feminine qualities combined physically and mentally.

I can be an attractive tgirl or a girly boy within minutes. Both personas have their own admirers. I seldom..err... actually never see a person like me. So, i guess i am a very rare breed.

Err.. i have to admit that it's nice to be unique and have some prominent feminine features: beautiful face, thick black hair, long legs, fit-toned body, sexy feminine voice, elegant demenour, and with the combination of high sex drive, top notch health, and a sharp brain. All this combination is simply to attract MEN, a good quality men. So they can be almost straight, bi ,or gay. I like them all

So since i love men so much and since i think about sex and men almost all the time (besides traveling, money, and family), i think i will be the happiest by being feminine and surrounded by men. Being screwed and adored by good men are my main motivation.

And who knows..along with sex and adventure that i have daily. ..i might find a great man to be my soul mate someday. The man with similar combination that i have...hemm....

Am i too honest..? but that is my personal answer

[sensual_lover20]

This subject is becoming more interesting.

I can only speak about myself: I'm NOT a transsexual/shemale. I love my body and face and never ever think of changing sex or to become a woman. I am an androgynous...the pure type. I can be an attractive tgirl or a girly boy within minutes.

Let's face it: we are not a woman genetically.

However, it's nice to be unique and having some prominent feminine features: beautiful face, thick black hair, long legs, fit-toned body, sexy feminine voice, elegant demenour, and with the combination of high sex drive, top notch health, and a sharp brain. All this combination is simply to attract MEN, a good quality men. So they can be almost straight, bi ,or gay. I like them all

So since i love men so much and since i think about sex and men almost all the time (besides traveling, money, and family), i think i will be the happiest by being feminine and surrounded by men. Being screwed and adored by good men are my main motivation.

And who knows..along with sex and adventure that i have daily. ..i might find a great man to be my soul mate someday. The man with similar combination that i have...hemm....

Am i too honest..? but that is my personal answer

Would you marry a guy who has paid you for sex in the past? I think that may be a bit awkward. Must be hard to explain to the parents.

Also, you are very honest in your answer. The traits you described yourself as may seem as if your gloating, but they are very much true giving you the rights to be proud about yourself. I think most of us were aware of your gender status after the Lisa debacle. Regardless, I wish you much success in finding your soul mate. Although I believe there are likely more than one soul mate, just pick one.

I do have a question for you. Do you REALLY enjoy your job that much? Surely you meet new and interesting people all the time and your sex drive is high. Well I guess the second part is a given since you are a genetic male. You must also get a series of clients who are drunk, high, physically unappealing combined with a one track character. Not too mention the risks and customer no-shows. Also, doing it three times a day say for a few years must really hurt after a while. So again I ask, can it REALLY be that good? I direct this question towards you seem like the only person who may honestly say this. I'm not here to ruffle any feathers, just curious that's all.

[Foxy Basket]

My two cents - the first cent

Before this goes further, I think we need to define some terms. Some of you will have read these already, but they're very pertinent to the discussion.

TRANSSEXUAL: This medical term refers to someone who seeks to change their physical sex through surgery or hormones. Unlike ?homosexual? or ?heterosexual? the ?sexual? part of transsexual refers to physical sex, rather than sexual orientation, and the ?trans? part refers to a need to cross to the opposite side of the gender/sex binary. According to the DSM, the list of psychological disorders, a transsexual is someone suffering from gender dysphoria (a deep discomfort with their birth-assigned sex) and is diagnosed as having Gender Identity Disorder.

TRANSGENDER: This term, originally coined by Virginia Price, was first used to refer to any person who wishes to live in the opposite gender role of their birth sex, but does not desire any medical intervention or surgery. Price used the term as a way of differentiating between people who change their physical sex, as opposed to those who change their social gender role. In Leslie Feinberg?s pamphlet, Transgender Liberation, ?transgender? was redefined to include anyone who crosses or breaks from traditional gender boundaries, and is now considered to be an umbrella term that incorporates a broad range of sexual and gendered identities.

TRANSVESTITE: This term refers to a heterosexual man with a sexual desire to wear clothes of the opposite sex. It is considered a sexual paraphilia, and is defined in the DSM as Transvestic Fetishism.

DRAG QUEEN: This is a gay man who performs drag shows in female attire. This could include singing, dancing and comedy, and it is common for drag queens to impersonate famous singers or actresses. On the other side of the spectrum, a DRAG KING is a lesbian woman that performs as a male. Most drag performers do not live full-time in their drag identities, preferring to live in their birth-assigned sex.

CROSS-DRESSING: A term that refers to wearing clothing typically associated with the opposite sex. One can engage in cross-dressing without adopting a trans identity, or one can identify as trans but not consider themselv es a crossdresser. This is a mostly-outdated term that has been replaced by a more modern understanding of cross-gender identities.

T-GIRL/T-BOY: These are slang terms that refer to trans women or trans men, and is an informal term to refer to a transsexual or transgender person. As the brilliant Julia Serano says, ?the main difference between t-girls and trans women is that t-girls tend to have more fun.?

(end part 1)

[Tia Phoenixx]

Thanks Nikki!

First of all, i don't believe in label. You can call me a girl or a boy. It does not really matter. I am still the same person anyway. I am not changing into a gorilla by the time people refer me as "HE" or vice versa..i am not going to be Cinderella by the time people refer me as "SHE".

I am here as Tia Phoenixx.

To answer SS20 question:

Yes. It is very possible to find a boyfriend in this industry. My ex-boyfriend was a CEO of a big company, and we met in Geneva while i was escorting.
So, it is possible to meet great quality men as an escort. Especially if you are a high-end escort, and have all it takes to become a good one.

The price speaks by itself. Those who can afford my rate are in good financial status. They are usually business men, entrepreneurs, professional athletes, or others who generate good income.

Some important men in this country are my clients. Their discretion is assured. I cannot mention their names or give any hints.

Clients who are drunk,etc...or having bad dates..??
I never or very seldom find a client who have these problems. I never have a bad date either. These clients usually do not or hesitate to call me. I have some good recipes on how to handle these kind of clients (please refer to my previous thread on "i love tgirls").

Now about my professsion,

Do i like it..? YES. I have achieved lots of things from this profession, meeting many interesting men, and traveling all over the globe as an escort. I have other business right now, and my other business sucks. So escorting is the only profession for me that generates stable income.

That's why i truly believe that i am an escort not a sex worker (some people may say it a courtesan). I offer a companionship, not only sex. Besides, I can broaden my mind or perspective or simply learn something new or beneficial from a good, intelectual man who comes to see me. So the session will become interesting and interactive. We truly interact, giving and receiving info and experience and yes, sex too. But not only sex.

And about my sex drive...i have to cum at least 3 times a day....in order to make me sexually satisfied.

Last but not least, if a man hesitates to introduce me to his family. He is simply not good enough to become my boyfriend.

Despite my profession, i have some good qualities in me that can make me a good "girl"friend.

That's my honest question

[Foxy Basket]

My second cent

So, where do we all fit? As this discussion has already proved, there's simply no way to assign everyone into boxes, because there's a considerable amount of middle ground. People can fluctuate between identites, or see themselv es as something entirely different.

Where do I see myself? Even that doesn't have a simple answer. The terms that I most often use to describe myself are TRANSSEXUAL and T-GIRL because they are best understood by other people, and I don't like to overcomplicate things right away. But my gender dysphoria is relatively mild by comparison; I never seriously contemplated suicide or hated myself. I simply felt uncomfortable as a male, like something just didn't fit. However, as a girl, all that anxiety and discomfort melted away. As a girl, I didn't have to fit those expectations that came with being a boy - I could be free to be me.

Things got much worse as I got older, because my body started becoming more masculine. I tried taking the "macho" route to compensate - weight training and aggressive activities, stuff like that - but it didn't fit either. Eventually, I simply accepted that being a girl "felt" right, and decided to transition.

That said, I can't honestly say that I've always "known" I was a girl because I don't know what that even means. I certainly never "knew" that I was a boy either; people told me I was, so I just accepted it. How can we "know" anything so deep and complex?

There's a passage by Kate Bornstein, in her book Gender Outlaw, that sums things up perfectly:

I know that I'm not a man - about that much I'm very clear, and I've come to the conclusion that I'm probably not a woman, either, at least not according to a lot of people's rules on this sort of thing. The trouble is, we're living in a world that insists we be one or the other - a world that doesn't bother to tell us exactly what one or the other actually is.

Gender is nothing more than a social construct, something created to convince us that there are only two biological sexes - XY males and XX females. This is simply not the case; there is a great deal of variation in between. In case you missed it, I've outlined some of those variations here:

http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/showth...638#post142638
Entry #26, titled "Chromosomes."

When I got older and realized that gender wasn't simply an absolute, I knew that I could be happy for the first time in my life if I chose to transition. And I was absolutely right.

So why am I a TRANSSEXUAL? Well, I live as a female 100% of the time, and I've had my legal name changed to reflect my identity. Some of my ID says "F" while some of it is still "M" - that's because of bureaucratic red tape, not because of my identity. I'm taking hormones to maintain my natural femininity, and I've undergone laser hair removal as well. It's not like hormones are an automatic "girl pill" that will undo any of my masculine traits, but it will stop my body from becoming more masculine as I get older. I'm taking hormones for the long-term effects. I love my calmer, less anxious emotional state, and the euphoria I feel when things are going well. I'm more relaxed, more focused, and the physical changes have been wonderful.

I haven't had any surgeries, because I'm extremely fortunate in how my body is shaped - I don't consider them necessary. I may choose to undergo surgical procedures when I'm ready to do so, but for right now, I'm content with who I am, and how I look. And that includes what's between my legs - if I decide to change that someday, it won't be to correct any "disorder" or "fix a mistake." I'll do it because I want to experience what it's like, and because I've decided that this is what I would prefer to have below the waist. But even then, there are limitations.

My body, voice and mannerisms are naturally feminine, so that has certainly made my transition much easier, but even still, unlearning all those masculine traits that I developed over 26 years has been much harder than I would have expected. There's no surgery in the world that will eliminate one's understanding of male privilege, or remove the habits developed over time by observational learning - it takes a lot more than a pair of tits and a pussy for someone to be a woman.

Most importantly, I've never been diagnosed with "Gender Identity Disorder" nor will I ever be. This is because I don't consider myself as having a "disorder." My genetic sex is karyotype 46XY male; my internal gender identity is female, while my gender role & expression are mostly gender neutral, leaning towards femininity. That's not a disorder; that's variation from a false dichotomy.

The real disorder lies within social expectations; because you're born with XY chromosomes and a penis, you're supposed to "be a man." But the definitions of "man" and "woman" are not absolute. There's no "perfect" example of either - these terms change depending on the time and culture in which we exist. So how can anyone "know" that they're one or the other, unless they're told?

There's only one way to sol ve this dilemma - stop squeezing yourself into boxes, and create one for yourself. I don't care how people perceive or regard me, because I know who I am; I'm me. Everything else is a question of details.

[tslisaparadise]

There's only one way to sol ve this dilemma - stop squeezing yourself into boxes, and create one for yourself. I don't care how people perceive or regard me, because I know who I am; I'm me. Everything else is a question of details.[/quote] now that is the best quote ive read in years great job

[sensual_lover20]

Thanks Tia. Point well taken.

[sensual_lover20]

Interesting point Nikki, unfortunately we all know society thrives on labels. If we didn't have them the world would be in chaos. Imagine a society where everyone had the same race, gender and religion. Seems pretty dull.

[Foxy Basket]

Interesting point Nikki, unfortunately we all know society thrives on labels. If we didn't have them the world would be in chaos. Imagine a society where everyone had the same race, gender and religion. Seems pretty dull.

True, people like to make things easy to understand. And, fitting into boxes makes us more comfortable, and makes us feel less isolated and alone. It's something that's bred into us over generations of evolution. Before society, isolation meant death - a human could not survive alone. That's why we have this ingrained fear of being ostracized, and that's why people "go along to get along." But why can't we transcend that, and evol ve into individuals?

Imagine how wonderful our world would be where people didn't have to fit into boxes! Where nobody had to be part of a race, gender or religion - and could simply be comfortable being themsel ves. That way, no gender, race or religion could possibly be described as "better" than any other - think of all the stupid conflicts that would end because of this new way of understanding!

I'm very much an idealist, and don't expect this to happen - but creating a little bit of wiggle room between those boxes is still progress towards that goal.

[sensual_lover20]

True, people like to make things easy to understand. And, fitting into boxes makes us more comfortable, and makes us feel less isolated and alone. It's something that's bred into us over generations of evolution. Before society, isolation meant death - a human could not survive alone. That's why why have this ingrained fear of being ostracized, and that's why people "go along to get along." But why can't we transcend that, and evol ve into individuals?

Imagine how wonderful our world would be where people didn't have to fit into boxes! Where nobody had to be part of a race, gender or religion - and could simply be comfortable being themsel ves. That way, no gender, race or religion could possibly be described as "better" than any other - think of all the stupid conflicts that would end because of this new way of understanding!

I'm very much an idealist, and don't expect this to happen - but creating a little bit of wiggle room between those boxes is still progress towards that goal.

We will discuss this further tonight

[LadyMissKier]

There are so many "disorders" in the DSM-IV-TR that I think are misconceptions, or stigmas, of society; not the individual (psychological).

It defines cross dressing as only seen in men. How many women (lesbians?/homosexual females) do you see in mens clothing with mens hair cuts?

I would say its a mix of the two, of which are the same.


I agree with Nikki, we (as a society) all have a desire to be put in some sort of category or "box".

I say its all in your head.

How can we place a circle into a square box?

Fuck the box. Where would we be if we never stepped out of the box?

[Foxy Basket]

There are so many "disorders" in the DSM-IV-TR that I think are misconceptions, or stigmas, of society; not the individual (psychological).

It defines cross dressing as only seen in men. How many women (lesbians?/homosexual females) do you see in mens clothing with mens hair cuts?

I would say its a mix of the two, of which are the same.


I agree with Nikki, we (as a society) all have a desire to be put in some sort of category or "box".

I say its all in your head.

How can we place a circle into a square box?

Fuck the box. Where would we be if we never stepped out of the box?

You think the DSM-IV was overwhelming? Well, guess what's about to be added to the DSM-V?

No, I'm not talking about autogynephilic transsexuality (though Blanchard the Bastard will probably find a way to twist his name into the record books) but they're actually going to include ROAD RAGE as a psychological disorder.

Are you fucking kidding me?

At any rate, I admire the Lady's solipsistic nature, and I therefore agree that "it's all in your head."

Or maybe it's in my head - I suppose two solipsists would have a hard time coming to any sort of conclusion about this.

[Rose]

I don't see a lesbian who puts on some mens clothes, and cuts their hair short makes them technically the same as a male cross dresser, who dresses up every weekend to get his rocks off. A lesbian who dresses this way are still just that, lesbians. They are just falling into a more masculine roll in the community and personal lives. Cross dressing men don't look that way all the time, and they do it for a different reason other then that's how they dress everyday. I've never met a butch lesbian that got arroused by putting on a dress shirt, and shaving her head short. I've met many cross dressing men who got arroused by putting on a pair of womans panties though.

I don't belive every single thing in the DSM-IV was simply pulled out of some old mans ass. Some is based in fact from years of research, and others are just things they can't explain anybetter. Transsexuality isn't just some personality quirk. It's a lot easier to be an effeminate dude, then take pills the rest of your life that weaken you, can make you infertile, mean you may never get a job(or lose your job if the boss finds out), and be stigmatised by society in general.

[Priscilla]

becoming a T-girl

I became a T-girl not because I knew I wanted to be one, I just discovered it on my journey from male to female.

In 1997 I knew I wanted to transition to female, so I started with a therapist and on estrogen. In 2001 I transitioned to female at work, and the next year I had breast implants and a trachal shave.

After i healed from the surgery, I looked at my body, with breasts and a penis, and I really loved it. Combined with the fact that I love to masturbate I knew I would not have SRS (I never say never in this life anymore).

So I am so happy with my body, and I sort of became a T=girl by going through the transsexual process and listening to my heart along the way.

[tslisaparadise]

[quote=Priscilla;143862]After i healed from the surgery, I looked at my body, with breasts and a penis, and I really loved it. Combined with the fact that I love to masturbate I knew I would not have SRS (I never say never in this life anymore).

quote] hahaha i knew i loved this chick for a reason lol good post sis