This industry has changed

[1humpty]

The comparison to cars could have been a bit much but the advertisement with bare does cause an illusion

remember that the shopper is often an impulse buyer


condom S. Ya

[Shank M All]

Doesn't help my " cause "? theres no "cause" i need help with. If you're stupid enough to think that because I'm having sex with my partner unprotected I'm going to have sex with ANY stranger unprotected that sounds like a YOU problem. Please spare me your analogy I'm not a car dealership I'm a human being! You are not purchasing me you are renting my time and any restrictions i have are within my rights as a human being! as mentioned by another provider y'all clients still demand bareback no matter whether sex acts shown are protected or not! Furthermore i don't mind being asked by clients if i will bareback them,i simply say no. What i don't like is it being demanded or the Entitlement that some clients have that i should because of a video they watched. You are not going to bully me into risking my health.

No one said you're going to have bb sex with clients. LOL! Slow day? My only problem seems to be individuals who's reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. I was merely explaining human behaviour. Actually by definition, clients ARE purchasing you for a pre-determined amount of time. If you are selling yourself, then by definition you are a commodity. Just as anyone else who generate revenue from their efforts. Now of you're going to retort with an example of another professional not having to provide bareback services, like a lawyer or an accountant, please remember that they are not in the sex industry selling sex.

[Tgirllover07]

No one said you're going to have bb sex with clients. LOL! Slow day? My only problem seems to be individuals who's reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. I was merely explaining human behaviour. Actually by definition, clients ARE purchasing you for a pre-determined amount of time. If you are selling yourself, then by definition you are a commodity. Just as anyone else who generate revenue from their efforts. Now of you're going to retort with an example of another professional not having to provide bareback services, like a lawyer or an accountant, please remember that they are not in the sex industry selling sex.

That wasn't very respectful. Escorts sell a service, not their bodies. You pay to receive a service, not the individual's body. Correct me if I'm wrong but is a pair of scissors a commodity because a hair dresser uses them to provide a service? I'm not going to go back and forth here but it sounds kinda offputting to see someone compare another human to an object or raw material.

[Shank M All]

My barber sells scissors. Sir Galahad.

[luckydawg80]

That wasn't very respectful. Escorts sell a service, not their bodies. You pay to receive a service, not the individual's body. Correct me if I'm wrong but is a pair of scissors a commodity because a hair dresser uses them to provide a service? I'm not going to go back and forth here but it sounds kinda offputting to see someone compare another human to an object or raw material.

Tell me who on here would buy this service without getting the body Call it what you will, but the escort's body is part of the service they provide. Even if you were to see an escort without actually having sex, there will still be conversation and companionship. And you can't have that without a body.

And since we all like making correlations and comparisons, look at Coca Cola. They have gone through many slogans over the years, but back in the 50's one of then was "The Cold, Crisp Taste of Coke". Now, would you just pay a vendor to imagine that taste without getting the physical attribute? Same as an escort's body. You need all aspects of the service for it to be considered a complete service.

Now, I'm sure Hoodho and a few white knights will reply and bash my analogy, but frankly, I don't give a flying fuck. To say a body is not a part of an escort's service is complete bullshit.

[Tgirllover07]

Tell me who on here would buy this service without getting the body Call it what you will, but the escort's body is part of the service they provide. Even if you were to see an escort without actually having sex, there will still be conversation and companionship. And you can't have that without a body.

And since we all like making correlations and comparisons, look at Coca Cola. They have gone through many slogans over the years, but back in the 50's one of then was "The Cold, Crisp Taste of Coke". Now, would you just pay a vendor to imagine that taste without getting the physical attribute? Same as an escort's body. You need all aspects of the service for it to be considered a complete service.

Now, I'm sure Hoodho and a few white knights will reply and bash my analogy, but frankly, I don't give a flying fuck. To say a body is not a part of an escort's service is complete bullshit.

I'm just saying that its dehumanizing to refer to a person as a commodity. Its not always about being right or wrong. If an escort called you her paycheque you wouldn't be seeing her anymore would you? Its just about being courteous. If you are seeing them, I strongly doubt you would say that they are a commodity during a session. A lot of people say things because they have the anonimity of the keyboard and I strongly believe the person above was operating under that guise.

As stated above I'm not going to go back and forth here as this is not a topic I want to get into but if you see different we can agree to disagree. If you believe I am a white knight so be it but I just believe in being respectful. I was back and forth with Hoodho on a separate topic a few weeks ago as well defending the client side.

[luckydawg80]

I'm just saying that its dehumanizing to refer to a person as a commodity. Its not always about being right or wrong. If an escort called you her paycheque you wouldn't be seeing her anymore would you? Its just about being courteous. If you are seeing them, I strongly doubt you would say that they are a commodity during a session. A lot of people say things because they have the anonimity of the keyboard and I strongly believe the person above was operating under that guise.

As stated above I'm not going to go back and forth here as this is not a topic I want to get into but if you see different we can agree to disagree. If you believe I am a white knight so be it but I just believe in being respectful. I was back and forth with Hoodho on a separate topic a few weeks ago as well defeing the client side.

You aren't wrong in your assessment, and we can each have our points of view. I just feel it's naive for either the provider or the client to say that the body is not part of the product/service that is being sold.

If I was referred to as a paycheque it may sound a little impersonal, but that would be an accurate comment. Regardless of the reason I am seeing them, it comes with a price tag (a paycheque, so to speak). For me to think otherwise would also be naive.

[Tgirllover07]

You aren't wrong in your assessment, and we can each have our points of view. I just feel it's naive for either the provider or the client to say that the body is not part of the product/service that is being sold.

If I was referred to as a paycheque it may sound a little impersonal, but that would be an accurate comment. Regardless of the reason I am seeing them, it comes with a price tag (a paycheque, so to speak). For me to think otherwise would also be naive.

I agree with that. I did initially say the body is being used its just that the "services" were what were being sold. I see where you are coming from as well though so no worries.

[Hoodho]

No one said you're going to have bb sex with clients. LOL! Slow day? My only problem seems to be individuals who's reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. I was merely explaining human behaviour. Actually by definition, clients ARE purchasing you for a pre-determined amount of time. If you are selling yourself, then by definition you are a commodity. Just as anyone else who generate revenue from their efforts. Now of you're going to retort with an example of another professional not having to provide bareback services, like a lawyer or an accountant, please remember that they are not in the sex industry selling sex.

Boy please you didn't outright say it but you obviously implied it with this quote right here in response to my post about clients wanting bareback "The acts depicted should be representational of what a client can expect when purchasing your service. A tad naive to think that people wouldn't ask for something they have seen in your 'promotional' material." Which clearly implies you think cuz im doing it raw in a vid that its logical for a client to think hes gettin it raw. My point to you is that regardless of wheter i am using a condom in promotional material or not I would STILL get requests for bareback. ALL the girls have gotten requests for barebacking from clients! I don't know where tricks like you get the gall to try to explain to the industry about the behavior of clients when you not even the one thats dealing with them. No clients are not purchasing me as i am not their property that they own and keep Permanently. Are you purchasing a barber that cuts your hair? Or are you purchasing a chiropractor that aligns your spine? No! They simply perform a service that you pay for than you both go yout seperate ways. Please leave your outdated misogyny back in the 1900s.

[Hoodho]

Tell me who on here would buy this service without getting the body Call it what you will, but the escort's body is part of the service they provide. Even if you were to see an escort without actually having sex, there will still be conversation and companionship. And you can't have that without a body.

And since we all like making correlations and comparisons, look at Coca Cola. They have gone through many slogans over the years, but back in the 50's one of then was "The Cold, Crisp Taste of Coke". Now, would you just pay a vendor to imagine that taste without getting the physical attribute? Same as an escort's body. You need all aspects of the service for it to be considered a complete service.

Now, I'm sure Hoodho and a few white knights will reply and bash my analogy, but frankly, I don't give a flying fuck. To say a body is not a part of an escort's service is complete bullshit.

a persons body is used for most jobs period! That doesn't mean that you are buying there body! If a seamstress tailors your suit for you. Did you buy the body she used or did you pay her for the service of tailoring your suit?

[luckydawg80]

a persons body is used for most jobs period! That doesn't mean that you are buying there body! If a seamstress tailors your suit for you. Did you buy the body she used or did you pay her for the service of tailoring your suit?

Obviously you are paying for the clothing that they alter. Realizing that needles and sewing machines are part of the equation, but the clothes are what you are purchasing. The body is not at all relevant. That particular analogy has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

That's like saying you hire a plumber for his/her body, and not for fixing your toilet. Sure, they use their body in the process, but it is completely irrelevant.

All I was saying from the get go is that people hire escorts because their bodies come with the price. I don't care if a seamstress or a plumber use a robot to do the job, because their bodies have nothing to do with the service they are providing to me. But I, and I would guess the vast majority of "Johns" wouldn't hire an escort if there were no body included...

[Shank M All]

Boy please you didn't outright say it but you obviously implied it with this quote right here in response to my post about clients wanting bareback "The acts depicted should be representational of what a client can expect when purchasing your service. A tad naive to think that people wouldn't ask for something they have seen in your 'promotional' material." Which clearly implies you think cuz im doing it raw in a vid that its logical for a client to think hes gettin it raw. My point to you is that regardless of wheter i am using a condom in promotional material or not I would STILL get requests for bareback. ALL the girls have gotten requests for barebacking from clients! I don't know where tricks like you get the gall to try to explain to the industry about the behavior of clients when you not even the one thats dealing with them. No clients are not purchasing me as i am not their property that they own and keep Permanently. Are you purchasing a barber that cuts your hair? Or are you purchasing a chiropractor that aligns your spine? No! They simply perform a service that you pay for than you both go yout seperate ways. Please leave your outdated misogyny back in the 1900s.

Lmao. Where do I begin? I never said it was logical, I said it was reality. I am aware of the requests that SP's get as I know a few who do much bigger numbers. This is not news by any means. Client behaviour is still human behaviour, so one doesn't necessarily need to make their living on their back and knees, in order to know these things. Insinuating that one is stupid, while having difficulty interpreting the thoughts of others, is not the greatest look.

"I don't know where tricks like you get the gall to try to explain to the industry about the behavior of clients when you not even the one thats dealing with them."

Ugh! Because I AM A CLIENT! Semi-coherent thought on your part. So close.

Misogyny - "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women."

For the record, I love women. Love them. Irrational SP's who need to focus on their brand, and not what others think? Not so much. Muah! LOL

[Hoodho]

Obviously you are paying for the clothing that they alter. Realizing that needles and sewing machines are part of the equation, but the clothes are what you are purchasing. The body is not at all relevant. That particular analogy has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

That's like saying you hire a plumber for his/her body, and not for fixing your toilet. Sure, they use their body in the process, but it is completely irrelevant.

All I was saying from the get go is that people hire escorts because their bodies come with the price. I don't care if a seamstress or a plumber use a robot to do the job, because their bodies have nothing to do with the service they are providing to me. But I, and I would guess the vast majority of "Johns" wouldn't hire an escort if there were no body included...

None of what i said is "irrelevant" just because you like to pick and choose what's relevant to suit your misogynistic ideals. This isn't slavery. You are not paying for the "body" you are paying for the service. You might not mind the person you are paying for doing the service but there are plenty of people myself included that would mind. if someone else or something else stepped in for a service i specifically paid them for such as plastic surgery or getting my hair braided. I would be livid and many people would be. Both of those situations the person is using THEIR body to perform a service on you. Your mindset of ownership of escorts is creepy. i wish this forum required y'all tough guys to show your faces so the girls on here could know which mentally unhinged customers to avoid.

[Hoodho]

Lmao. Where do I begin? I never said it was logical, I said it was reality. I am aware of the requests that SP's get as I know a few who do much bigger numbers. This is not news by any means. Client behaviour is still human behaviour, so one doesn't necessarily need to make their living on their back and knees, in order to know these things. Insinuating that one is stupid, while having difficulty interpreting the thoughts of others, is not the greatest look.

"I don't know where tricks like you get the gall to try to explain to the industry about the behavior of clients when you not even the one thats dealing with them."

Ugh! Because I AM A CLIENT! Semi-coherent thought on your part. So close.

Misogyny - "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women."

For the record, I love women. Love them. Irrational SP's who need to focus on their brand, and not what others think? Not so much. Muah! LOL

you don't know what numbers i do you faceless nobody so you can miss me with that comment. You absolutely need to be in the industry to have a true understanding of it. If you did you wouldn't say the B.S you are attempting to backtrack from. I swear All y'all claim to have friends that are providers but still come on here saying the most ridiculous things. These sex workers are not your friends and most likely just see you as a sucker to be licked.
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[luckydawg80]

...to suit your misogynistic ideals...Your mindset of ownership of escorts is creepy...mentally unhinged customers...

You are the one making all the assumptions here. And I feel all you are doing is hurting your own business. It's like you start these threads knowing that it will create comments that you can bash back at. Just to get a rise out of the other members.

It's pointless to try and get out an opposing thought when you are so closed minded that you can't even begin to see the other side. But I must admit, it is fun watching you get so worked up and going off on tangents that have little or nothing to do with the topic that you actually started...