I've got breasts now so that means I'm a real shemale and you're not.

[lucy]

dear ransolat;
I guess you hang out with my THIEF HOUSEKEEPER( WHO IS A cd AS WELL) TOO MUCH,IT sounds like he washed your brain.....

You can't imagine how many times I have heard this at some of the Toronto bars that I've visited on occasion. A girl who is transitioning doesn't have breasts. A few people take it upon themselves to say that they are nothing more than a crossdresser or tv.

Skip ahead a few months

The girl who people labeled now has breasts and now everybody has praise for her. It's as if that is THE step to finally be welcomed and accepted into the shemale world so to speak.

Personally I think it's a lot of BS yet I would love to know why some people would be so cruel to think and talk this way in the first place other than the obvious reason that they just can and it's their "right" to be cruel.

[CokeDiete]

Marginalized populations continue the cycle of maginalization...

• In the black community there is colourism (lighter shades are percieved as better, caucasian features are precieved as better)...Further, in California during a recent referendum, in which blacks came out to vote in unprecedented numbers, gays were denied the right to marry. Some have considered this a consequence of such a high African American vote.
• Israeli occupation of Gaza and the west bank is erily similar to oppression Jews had experienced in Europe.
• The gay community tends to be pseudo-oppresive of transgendered people (see a recent thread)...
• The transgendered community tends to marginalize those transitioning, crossdressers, TV's or those percieved as different but invading the same sociological niche.

OF COURSE THESE ARE OVERSIMPLIFIED GENERALIZATIONS AND EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES MAY APPLY TO INDIVIDUAL INTERACTIONS AND BY NO MEANS DOES EVERYONE IN THESE POPULATIONS ACT THIS WAY....


There is definitely an "Us vs Them" mentality, and the difference between 'Us' and 'Them' can be almost trivial. Similar activites were seen in the Stanford Prison Experiment (Zimbardo, et al. 1971)...

...as long as we see other people as 'Them' and not 'Us' we will continue to victimize those we see as different, even if the difference is only a Cup size.

...man, I need a drink....

I honestly couldn't agree any more!!

[sensual_lover20]

dear ransolat;
I guess you hang out with my THIEF HOUSEKEEPER( WHO IS A cd AS WELL) TOO MUCH,IT sounds like he washed your brain.....

I think I know who you mean He has no intentions of transitioning (key word here) in any way shape or form. I feel there must be a transition of some sort to at least claim your not a CD. Breasts are one superior form of it. However, while he sits there singing Shania Twain's famous song, "I feel like I am woman", then that does not constitute being a t-girl by simply a feeling. If you truly feel like a woman, you usually dress and act like one. Mayumi for example along with several others has no implants but is very passable (very sexy actually) and lives full time as a girl with that state of mind. Tia/Robin, no implants and is very passable when dressed accordingly, but by selling yourself as a male escort indicates a dual state of mind indicating bi-sexualism or a cross dresser. When going out in public, females try to look as females (unless your a butch dyke or t-boy), not try to get away with adrogyneous so that people can pick sides. See my point now. Lucy's second language is English making it hard to defend her arguments properly, I am just here to bridge the gap to support and help her while sharing my owns thoughts and opinions alongside.

[cobbler]

I think I know who you mean He has no intentions of transitioning (key word here) in any way shape or form. I feel there must be a transition of some sort to at least claim your not a CD. Breasts are one superior form of it. However, while he sits there singing Shania Twain's famous song, "I feel like I am woman", then that does not constitute being a t-girl by simply a feeling. If you truly feel like a woman, you usually dress and act like one. Mayumi for example along with several others has no implants but is very passable (very sexy actually) and lives full time as a girl with that state of mind. Tia/Robin, no implants and is very passable when dressed accordingly, but by selling yourself as a male escort indicates a dual state of mind indicating bi-sexualism or a cross dresser. When going out in public, females try to look as females (unless your a butch dyke or t-boy), not try to get away with adrogyneous so that people can pick sides. See my point now. Lucy's second language is English making it hard to defend her arguments properly, I am just here to bridge the gap to support and help her while sharing my owns thoughts and opinions alongside.

You're sounding more like a petulant child than any sort of quasi-interpreter to me. Get over it man! Why do you care so much about Tia? Did she snub your advances or do you just want to cozy up to Lucy? What possible difference can Tia's transition or lack thereof make to your seemingly shallow little world? The point of the thread is that it shouldn't matter what "stage" a person has achieved and that insults based on it are cruel and unnecessary. Stick to your bookkeeping kid; it doesn't require thought, merely repetition, which you seem to have grasped all too well.

[sensual_lover20]

I fail to understand the problem with this.
You may not like it and some others may not like it but why does everyone need to be attacked over it.
They are just different than what you happen to like.
Or not the same as Lucy. So what?
Live and let live. I just don't get it?
It's all lip service.
They are CD's or TV's or whatever they aren't hiding from anyone.
I just don't understand who is getting fooled here?

There is nothing wrong with them. Lucy and others wouldnt care if they were not in the same business. In my eyes, it is the business of buying company with a t-girl. What defines a t-girl/shemale (by which no real definition exists to these terms), but one that has the mental and physical state of female yet is born with male anatomy. A transition is required both physically and mentally. You don't have to physically go as far getting implants, but there must be an attempt to live your daily life out as a woman mentally. He/She is being attacked for categorizing herself in the incorrect market or falsely advertising and enjoying benefits from it. I only care myself to defend because for the girls who do transition, it comes at a high price, even without implants and this escorting process is usually helped get them out of the escort world and into their transitioned state. He/She is stealing from their market share and transitioning money. Tia/Robin, just admit you are a CD here and I will leave you alone on this matter. You will dress as both at your customers request indicating it is purely business transactions for their role play fantasy. No other escort on Shemale Canada would take any monies to act as a man because it would go against who they are and fought to be.

[toban]

A little more info on Amyiaa, the CD turned Shemale!

I have persistently pointed this out to one of our "senior" girls who is always very keen on targeting any new girls because they are, as she claims, only CD's / TV's, therefore not fit to use the term Shemale.

Well, despite the aforementioned assertion from a Toronto TS that this flat-chested CD/TV from Montreal was not fit to be called a shemale when she first stated that she wished to visit Toronto, she recently was chosen Grooby Model of The Week for May 12!


Amyiaa has also racked up no less than three full photoshoots with accompanying movie sets alone, on Black T-Girls as well as other sets and movies on Grooby sites and elsewhere. There info here on the recent Grooby mention of her :- http://www.grooby.com/modelofweek/163/index.html

This was posted as my backing for Rantsalot's post which started this thread off.

[Tia Phoenixx]

ah..this thread started as a good thread and has been ruined by all these non sense. And now, i have to modify my post since you have modified yours Admin.

As i have explained over and over and over and over in the past
1. First, i don't hate anybody, most of the time i only defend myself.

2. Second, I am not a CD.
i'm an androgynous individual who happens to have interesting mixed quality..a boyish charm and a female sensuality.
It's always like that since i was born I guess...
I even never really get it what is really "live as a man or as a woman".
I live as myself period.
And in term of look, i never look like a man anyway..even with men's clothes.

Yes, i used to be a feminine, androgynous boy escort in the past..but that time is over.
Besides, most of my clients even as Robin are bisexual men who enjoy best of both worlds (or those who are hetero-flexible or those who are comfortable with their sexuality)

I am no longer a boy and gradually my female instinct turns stronger and stronger everyday..so i'm definitely Tia now.

It's funny that my name(s) is always related to a bird.
Anyway, Robin is gone..and has been transformed to phoenix by my stronger, feminine feeling.
I'm very happy now...more confident, more feminine with longer hair and slimmer body but yet still retain some of my boyish charm.

i don't have any urge to change to someone that isn't me.
So Why should i have implants or tons of surgeries then...?
I'm happy the way i look and the way i lead my life.
Besides..i'm already cute (i guess lol)...so beauty is innate for me (hehe!)

It's the soul that makes you a person (in this case a tgirl) not surgeries or implants or hormones.

why you guys always disturb me...?
This issue has been discussed millions times

I've been exposed millions times...but yet i'm still here..better and stronger actually...

[toban]

There is nothing wrong with them. Lucy and others wouldnt care if they were not in the same business. In my eyes, it is the business of buying company with a t-girl.

A little analogy here to bring us back to reality. Since you make the point that this is a business matter then perhaps we could look at it as one business e.g. an auto business looks at another auto business. They are both out to attract the same customer. Toyota builds a hybrid. It is very successful and consumers look well upon it, so rather than lose potential customers to Toyota, Honda builds their version of a hybrid. Uh oh, now Nissan sees customer losses to both Toyota and Honda, so they in turn develop their hybrid. So then, can that be considered stealing?

Absolutely not! Nor is one escort stealing from another escort if it happens that her advertising or her product proves to be more attractive than that of another, whether she is a Shemale, a Crossdresser, a transvestite, androgynous, or a genetic girl for that matter. What matters is whether that escort can deliver what it is the customer desires at the moment!

As an accountant you must know how important it is for one firm to keep their accounting clients happy even though other accounting firms are presenting their own proposals to those customers in the hopes of luring them away. It is not stealing, it is simply good business practice!

What defines a t-girl/shemale (by which no real definition exists to these terms), but one that has the mental and physical state of female yet is born with male anatomy. A transition is required both physically and mentally. You don't have to physically go as far getting implants, but there must be an attempt to live your daily life out as a woman mentally.

Really? How can we tell what is behind a girl’s claim to be a shemale? I have never seen a statement that there must be an attempt to live as a female, though I am pretty sure very, very few girls do so at first. I refer you to my post below where I discussed the case of Amyiaa who was essentially driven out of Toronto at one time simply because she had no implants and was calling herself TSAmyiaa. A few years later now, and she is a successful SHEMALE. Was she not a Shemale then just the minute before her surgery? Did she one day just go under the knife as a man and instantaneously become a fully qualified Shemale as she wakened from the anaesthetic? Of course not. She was a Shemale before! All the so-called “ladies” here were themselves without those implants when they began. If you believe they were not you are way too naive to be allowed out on your own.

He/She is being attacked for categorizing herself in the incorrect market or falsely advertising and enjoying benefits from it. I only care myself to defend because for the girls who do transition, it comes at a high price, even without implants and this escorting process is usually helped get them out of the escort world and into their transitioned state. He/She is stealing from their market share and transitioning money.

Tia incurs exactly the same costs of living/surviving as an escort as the girls you are trying here to defend. She has also clearly stated here that she too is working to provide for her own future outside of her current profession with savings and investment of her proceeds. I see no substantiation of your claims for false advertising, or for theft.

Tia/Robin, just admit you are a CD here and I will leave you alone on this matter. You will dress as both at your customers request indicating it is purely business transactions for their role play fantasy.

You surely can not expect us to believe that the defendant in your case i.e. Lucy do not take their sessions as business transactions? They use this Forum in their effort to gain more customers, just as any other business operator would. These girls are all in business.

No other escort on Shemale Canada would take any monies to act as a man because it would go against who they are and fought to be.

Further it is most unkind of you to persist in referring to Tia as He/She.

[capitus]

I honestly couldn't agree any more!!

...you need a drink too eh?...


So, GG with no boobs

[capitus]

...guy with boobs

[capitus]

Again, for those who didn't catch it the first time...

a full blown XX genetic female, without boobs:

[capitus]

...and a full 0n XY guy with boobs:

[capitus]

Crossdressers all of them!

...especially that sumo joker, what is he wearing, A dress?!?


The point is boobs do not mean shit...just how much fatty material (or silicon/saline) you have between your skin and pectoral muscles. I think breasts are a poor way to decide who is a TS and who is not. An example is Miyoko (mimi)...she doesn't have breasts but has a crazy pretty face and is very feminine (and a tool to gag a horse). Labels create black and white when really it is all shades of grey....

[Wiseone26]

Admin/Capitus, omg! I shouldn't be laughing but thanks.

[capitus]

EUREKA....I've thought of a perfect solution for the problem of who is and who is not a TS. The problem is there is no gold-standard or reliable judge that can determine each person by a set of specific and strict criteria.

That is why I've come up with the CAPITUS 1.0 Shemale Detection Program (CSDP1 for those of us in the know). This is a simple system whereby all shemales will be acredited and be given a certificate of authenticity. To become acredited each unacredited shemale will spend between 4 and 12 hours doing naughty things to me. Following this there will be a skill testing question. If you get the question right and have met my approval you will be given a 2-year certificate. You must re-certify within 2 years or lose your certification and become an uncertified shemale also known as a USM. This acreditation will be valid in all provinces and territories, as well as Nebraska, New York, and Arkansas (we are working on full US acreditation).

So, if you call in the next 20 minutes, 'cause you know we can't do this all day, this trademarked and patented acreditation could be yours for the low low price of $200 per contact hour. Other places will charge you $400, $800, even $1000 for this very same service. Call now and we will include a set of Ginsu knives....