Traveling girls - money mishap

[greep]

Remember one thing everybody: Cheap doesnt always mean bad.

Ive been with some (straight girls) escorts who were on the cheaper side, and had great times- better than some higher priced experiences.

Remember, escorting is an 'industry', part of the adult industry. Just like in other industries there will always be business's that will that will try to get market share by offering better prices. this often forces other companies to lower prices or offer more services than before. Usually the 'undercutters' dont last (as the cheap prices come at a cost). This all applies to the escorting industry.

Honestly, guys, I dont blame the girls charging cheap prices at all. Thats their decision. Maybe they dont need to make $2000 a week, and are happy with their $100/client. Maybe they tried to charge $200-300/hr but werent getting any business, maybe they do it for kicks and not for a living, who knows. And I certainly dont blame the client. Money matters.

One could make the argument, that during these economic times its only fitting the price of escorting services will go down, as there is more people out of work etc. Don't worry Sunshine, when times get better the prices will go up (the undercutters will realize they can get more). Its a dog eat dog world out there.

PS- just wondering... could it be possible that there are more TG's around today than say 5 years ago, and this could be a factor in the dropping rates?. Just wondering.

[sunshine]

so many factors

Greep you make an excellent point. This is a business and many factors contribute to setting rates. And there is a fluctuation as in any other business. And it is also true that there are far more tgirls now than there were.

This was an interesting post because it was a subject that can be difficult to approach sometimes. Thanks Rants for the idea. Lots of good ideas all around.

A final word from me (unless someone else says something good): It is perhaps unfair to point a finger at girls who drop their rates or charge low rates to begin with. There are factors that make this seem justified to them, I am sure.

Take care everybody

Sunshine

[Rantsalot]

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Doesn't everything in business really just come down to supply and demand?

If people want something and if others have it then an agreement usually can be made. If whatever it is is wanted bad enough people will pay whatever the cost may be. This just doesn't relate to this subject alone.

i.e.

- automobiles
- home electronics
- clothing
- travel

etc.....

Competition will always be apparent in everything no matter what and can not be controlled not unless you're the all mighty monopolistic weasel Bill Gates.

[pensive]

Honestly, for me, $150.00 is the upper limit where I feel like I didn't totally piss away my money. $100.00 is where I would feel that I got my money's worth, and would be able to partake more often. Fairly recently I spent $250.00 for one hour. Did I have a good time...yes. Did I feel that it was worth it afterwards...no. I just ended up with buyers remorse and won't be spending that kind of money again.

Boohoo that the girl's would have to work harder if they charged less. They would only have to work harder if they *insist* on making $100,000+ per year. As it is they would only have to work one hour a day at $150.00, 5 days a week, to make 39,000 tax free dollars a year. That's pretty good money for 5 hours a week from where I sit.

I know an argument can be made for them having a limited amount of time due to age/looks, but we're all expendable where our careers and jobs are concerned. It's sickening how fast any of us can go from a decent, well paying job to working at some crappy, low paying temp job.

But, like Ransalot said, supply and demand is always the driver in any market.

[sunshine]

not a job, a business

Honestly, for me, $150.00 is the upper limit where I feel like I didn't totally piss away my money. $100.00 is where I would feel that I got my money's worth, and would be able to partake more often. Fairly recently I spent $250.00 for one hour. Did I have a good time...yes. Did I feel that it was worth it afterwards...no. I just ended up with buyers remorse and won't be spending that kind of money again.

Boohoo that the girl's would have to work harder if they charged less. They would only have to work harder if they *insist* on making $100,000+ per year. As it is they would only have to work one hour a day at $150.00, 5 days a week, to make 39,000 tax free dollars a year. That's pretty good money for 5 hours a week from where I sit.

I know an argument can be made for them having a limited amount of time due to age/looks, but we're all expendable where our careers and jobs are concerned. It's sickening how fast any of us can go from a decent, well paying job to working at some crappy, low paying temp job.

But, like Ransalot said, supply and demand is always the driver in any market.

I think your stated amount of $39,000 a year might be reasonable if a girl could actually make that. However, it seems that you refer to this as a job, as a situation where there are no expenses. Just start tabulating the expenses of operating as a tgirl escort and your $39,000 is not even enough to cover the expenses. Again, that is assuming you are not suggesting we live like crack whore skanks in the projects somewhere or on the street.

If you want to visit with a tgirl who is well dressed, well groomed, feminine, healthy then you have to take into account what that costs. In reality, of the hundred+ thousand she needs to make a year, she will be lucky to see your $39,000 or any part of it. Then there is the issue that you brought up yourself about the longevity of the career. Why do you think the tgirl is doing this business? Maybe a few are in it by choice. But many more have few other options. How many tgirl mechanics have you met? Tgirl accountants? Tgirl lawyers?

This is a business with very large expenses. Still, I understand what you say about an amount that is within your comfort level. If that amount happens to be $100 to $150 max then that is what you have. But that doesn't mean that girls should charge that and be forced to see 4 or 5 clients every day. Even if she wanted to or could do that, there are many days where the phone does not ring, there are entire months that are lost causes. So, in reality, a girl would have to see 10 to 15 clients a day when the business is hot. Let me ask you this: do you think you could do that?

In terms of what is reasonable, your math falls short. You should feel lucky that rates have dropped as much as they have. Eventually though, the rates will go back up so be prepared when they do.

Sunshine

[tslisaparadise]

I think your stated amount of $39,000 a year might be reasonable if a girl could actually make that. However, it seems that you refer to this as a job, as a situation where there are no expenses. Just start tabulating the expenses of operating as a tgirl escort and your $39,000 is not even enough to cover the expenses. Again, that is assuming you are not suggesting we live like crack whore skanks in the projects somewhere or on the street.

If you want to visit with a tgirl who is well dressed, well groomed, feminine, healthy then you have to take into account what that costs. In reality, of the hundred+ thousand she needs to make a year, she will be lucky to see your $39,000 or any part of it. Then there is the issue that you brought up yourself about the longevity of the career. Why do you think the tgirl is doing this business? Maybe a few are in it by choice. But many more have few other options. How many tgirl mechanics have you met? Tgirl accountants? Tgirl lawyers?

This is a business with very large expenses. Still, I understand what you say about an amount that is within your comfort level. If that amount happens to be $100 to $150 max then that is what you have. But that doesn't mean that girls should charge that and be forced to see 4 or 5 clients every day. Even if she wanted to or could do that, there are many days where the phone does not ring, there are entire months that are lost causes. So, in reality, a girl would have to see 10 to 15 clients a day when the business is hot. Let me ask you this: do you think you could do that?

In terms of what is reasonable, your math falls short. You should feel lucky that rates have dropped as much as they have. Eventually though, the rates will go back up so be prepared when they do.

Sunshine

co-sign i make about 60-80 thousand a year out of that theres huge expenses such as surguries cosmetics cloths lazer shoes golf etc then theres my 2 kids who are extremely spoilled then theres rent hydro food car payments insurance it all adds up and i drink maybe 3 or 4 beers a year and dont take drugs i have no drug plan so my horomones are about 100 a month,39.000 a year nobody could live on that hell my shoes i buy per year is more then that lol

[Wiseone26]

co-sign i make about 60-80 thousand a year out of that theres huge expenses such as surguries cosmetics cloths lazer shoes golf etc then theres my 2 kids who are extremely spoilled then theres rent hydro food car payments insurance it all adds up and i drink maybe 3 or 4 beers a year and dont take drugs i have no drug plan so my horomones are about 100 a month,39.000 a year nobody could live on that hell my shoes i buy per year is more then that lol

cosign as well. At the beginning of my transition I was making $17.65/hour 40 hours a week and had a hell of a time getting by. I was putting out near $600-800/month on electrolysis. There is the stuff Lisa mentiioned rents, food etc. Well I rarely spend more then $100 on clothes every few months. I lost my job due to discrimination, that was 3-4 years ago. I've yet to find a job since my layoff. The last 3 years prior to layoff I made no more then $10/hour not fulltime hours.

So it isn't easy by a long shot on either side of the fence.

[sunshine]

in all honesty

You girls are saying what needs to be said. Makeup, surgical or enhancement procedures, laser hair removal, electrolysis, some clothes, some shoes, hormones and other products to maintain your health (difficult while on hormones for most), doctor visits, etc. It adds up to an incredible sum. $39,000 a year does not even come close to being enough and these are just the real expenses of being a tgirl in earnest.

I don't drink, I don't take drugs, I don't spend alot of time partying. If I am to be honest, when I am working, I try to aim for $200,000 or better. Am I loaded with cash? No. Is most of it accounted for? Yes.

You are both confirming what it takes in your own words.

I still say lets start a union girls LOL.

Ahh enough about money already. Its too petty after a while isnt it. You guys offer what you can and I will charge what I feel is reasonable.

Sunshine

[Justcurious34]

co-sign i make about 60-80 thousand a year out of that theres huge expenses such as surguries cosmetics cloths lazer shoes golf etc then theres my 2 kids who are extremely spoilled then theres rent hydro food car payments insurance it all adds up and i drink maybe 3 or 4 beers a year and dont take drugs i have no drug plan so my horomones are about 100 a month,39.000 a year nobody could live on that hell my shoes i buy per year is more then that lol

Hi Lisa
Im back in town, finally have some time ,
to continue my research??

regard your income. loll
HMM better check you math?? if total income is top end 80m and you spend 39m on shoes? 40m would not let you enjoy the spoils of life style that u enjoy (no i have not met Lisa yet)

so i suggest you are making a lot more then 80m loll

I am very new to all this ,and i think my new name should be "DUKE PAY AWAY TO MUCH"

I have only been to a couple of gals, one was VIP rip-off, 400 + wasted there!!

the other a real classy gal, but extremly rushed service because of heavy demand on her service(yes she was travelling )


I will bet she makes huge amount of cash ( montreal is home base )

some of you gals must make close to 3/4 of a million or more
so lets stop this crying poor loll

Hell I spent 500 hundred dollars just talking (nothing happened)
for a two hour session . my very first meeting,just researching and enjoying her personality,

I have no interest in what is offered as service, But I truly enjoy talking and meeting Tgals,
Im not into anal nor covered BJ;s

I am most interested in daily life ,their early life and the hardships and what they had to endure with rejection ,etc. and their transition

But as a group ,truly fabulous interesting people
I suspect some into heavy drug scene

so I will wander and do my research and what ever the rate, thats what I pay,
but hell, Im an easy date old and almost boring.

but some of you talk a great game, but fall short on delivery

if you want to make the big bucks, some had better learn to be a better actress, because attitude is very important and your session are not going to be with hot young guys at all times etc.
from what I have read,Im surprised guys have not wanted their money back,therefore creating a scene,that should be not part of servcie, but
this site and its review system will weed them out to the lower ranks of working gals
I read every review, some away back to study for my research



sunshine looks and writes like a touch of class, Im sure she, like yourself would be first class gal and give a first class professional sessions

top gals that go the extra in personality & service, should command what ever the demand will dictate

like every profession , class rises to the top and deserve more for their time

My favorits saying I like to use
I noticed a great gal is are using it also


" I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy.?

Tom Clancy quote, which I use often

Hell I spent 1000 for a ggal
worth every penny, what a night

so why not a quality tgal getting the same
but ,the session rules would have to change to achieve that level

I real enjoy the site and the topics
duke







duke

[greep]

Can someone please explain to me how come other professional individuals who offer personal services at much less hourly rates, who also have business expenses AND pay personal and business taxes can make a good living, yet some in the TG industry can barely get by offering $300hr

Seems like some of TG`s expect their clients to pay for their extravagent lifestyles.

Some of the expenses you guys list are not business expenses but more like living expenses.

Make up, soap, hydro- these are expenses you would need to pay regardless.

Maybe escorting is better suited as second job as opposed to someones primary source of income.

[tslisaparadise]

Can someone please explain to me how come other professional individuals who offer personal services at much less hourly rates, who also have business expenses AND pay personal and business taxes can make a good living, yet some in the TG industry can barely get by offering $300hr

Seems like some of TG`s expect their clients to pay for their extravagent lifestyles.

Some of the expenses you guys list are not business expenses but more like living expenses.

Make up, soap, hydro- these are expenses you would need to pay regardless.

Maybe escorting is better suited as second job as opposed to someones primary source of income.

what part of the phrase ask me if i give a fuck dont you understand?

[Tia Phoenixx]

Can someone please explain to me how come other professional individuals who offer personal services at much less hourly rates, who also have business expenses AND pay personal and business taxes can make a good living, yet some in the TG industry can barely get by offering $300hr

Seems like some of TG`s expect their clients to pay for their extravagent lifestyles.

Some of the expenses you guys list are not business expenses but more like living expenses.

Make up, soap, hydro- these are expenses you would need to pay regardless.

Maybe escorting is better suited as second job as opposed to someones primary source of income.

Sunshine has mentioned it previously.

In general,
No one wants to be a prostitute if she/he has better chance in life. Neither do I.

Tgirls have less choice in life in order to be successful compared to normal people. So, unfortunately, escorting is one of the very few choice that we still have in order to survive.

By having this profession, we expose our lives to much bigger risks..being killed, raped, abused, harassed..not to mentioned of the risks of having STD and HIV. This is the first factor of determining our rate/donation

the second factor is our life span as an escort.
In general our escorting career is very short compared to those with "normal" profession. Only very few can survive and thrive more than 10 years.
In average, i would say, can survive only within 3 years.

As I have mentioned long time ago that:
"we almost like mushroom in rainy season and our era will be very short. Therefore we have to save up for the (better) future."

The third factor is Physical attributes.
as Sunshine, Lisa, and Tasha mentioned, it's not easy to maintain our good look. We need money in order to be sexy and beautiful.
The jewellery, clothes, lingeries, etc. these things are definitely crucial for a successful sensual encounter.
Ah..for me good food and wine too lol.

With all these factors involved, I personally believe that every professional provider should charge at least $200 an hour.

Of course some exceptions apply:
As Duke has also mentioned, he has predicted that some of us may earn mid to high 6 figures, charging $$$. I know one tgirl who charges $1.5K an hour . Or an upcale GG with 3K fee an hour.
That's true.
but those who earn that much is very very rare.

In general, as Lisa has honestly mentioned, earn less than 100K annually.
Some even earn less than 20K annually and have to rely on government support.

That is the reality.

So at the end, if somebody remember my old advice long time ago:
Do not rely on this profession.
This profession is only good for some time, but then we have to move on. Otherwise we will be left behind...

We have a lot of bad examples, showing that girls do not realize that their time is up, and still forcing themselves working as an escort and end it up dissapointed, jaded and angry.

However, we have a good example here:
Tasha who has gradually transformed her career into a better, much safer career as a nurse for her future.

Me too.
I'm a land lady and trader.

[tslisaparadise]

We have a lot of bad examples, showing that girls do not realize that their time is up, and still forcing themselves working as an escort and end it up dissapointed, jaded and angry.

hmmm lets hear the names lol i can name 5

[Tia Phoenixx]

hmmm lets hear the names lol i can name 5

Please not. Our life is already hard and risky enough

[tslisaparadise]

Please not. Our life is already hard and risky enough

lol i was just kidding sillygirl