Bullying on the forum

[lucy]

sorry

my fault,its not good to be too honest and straight forward especially in this forum.I should have let it go and read and make fun of it like the majority of the SP's.but I couldn't control myself as usual.
why did I put myself into this ugly low class drama?why did I lower myself that much?
I have more than enough regulars to keep myself busy for my entire working life,I am very well known in canada&states even in europe,I am very well established,I have the biggest and most professional site which gets 6000 to 10000 hits a day from all over the world,still young and healthy,reached all of my goals in life,financially be able to retire even today....etc
I feel so embarresed.I promise myself not to post anything in this forum other than my own threads,its not my bussiness to correct things...
from now on,my promises ;not to be informative to anybody,not to talk with any other SP's other than my friends,and will never let people to put me in their trash....promise
and I am so sorry for the forum members for what happened in the last 24 hours.
hugs,
Lucy

[Tia Phoenixx]

I have more than enough regulars to keep myself busy for my entire working life,I am very well known in canada&states even in europe,I am very well established,I have the biggest and most professional site which gets 6000 to 10000 hits a day from all over the world,still young and healthy,reached all of my goals in life,financially be able to retire even today....etc
Lucy

reality check:
www.alexa.com
www.compete.com

Compare your website to Victoria, www.torontoshemaleescorts.com or www.shemalevictoriaxxx.com or mine www.tia-phoenixx.com LOL

Some of us are not in grade 2

You haven't got any review on TER since 6 months btw
That is the best escort review board in NORTH AMERICA btw


here is the result (based on www.compete.com)
1. tslucy.com
unique visitors: 1591
2.tia-phoenixx.com
Unique visitors: 5597
3.shemalevictoriaxxx:
Unique visitors: 9511

[Tia Phoenixx]

ok, sorry. I felt bad afterwards.

Final words is: don't be too arogant. Accept the reality. there is always a new girl on the market.
If you are really that good, why you have to lower yourself that low?

chill my friend

but that's true, you are popular in Toronto. More than me now, based on Alexa.
But please don't talk too much about USA or europe hun....Have you seen your ranking, my ranking or Victoria's?

[sunshine]

baby steps are a good way to start walking

When I read Lucy's response, I was struck by how sincere it was. I totally believe that we are talking our way through this and I am happy I decided to post on this subject.

Now Tia, you bring up the issue of Lucy's exageration about the popularity of her site. But please, give the girl a chance to catch her breath. She gave everyone a sincere apology. Am I crazy or is that a big deal? Sure it's a huge deal. Give her a break. You are already blessed with self-assurance and calm certainty about yourself. You don't need to put anybody down here.

I think that underneath everything that has happened to us in our lives, we are all good people. That includes Lucy as much as it includes you Tia. Lucy has just swallowed her anger and given us her sincere apology. To me, that says she wants to belong. If she stuck a little exageration in her post to prop herself up a bit, who cares about that? It's a first step. Earlier, Tasha was very honest and forthcoming as well. For what it's worth, I apologize too for the times I spoke out of anger.

So now I'm in Lucy's corner and I ask you, Tia for a little allowance here. The stats are just a slight concern when compared to the bigger issue here.

Sunshine

[lucy]

as I said no comments,I know what I am and I know where I am and what you are, where you are......etc
no comments.
let it go,enjoy with your life...
have a good night to everybody.

ok, sorry. I felt bad afterwards.

Final words is: don't be too arogant. Accept the reality. there is always a new girl on the market.
If you are really that good, why you have to lower yourself that low?

chill my friend

but that's true, you are popular in Toronto. More than me now, based on Alexa.
But please don't talk too much about USA or europe hun....Have you seen your ranking, my ranking or Victoria's?

[Tia Phoenixx]

When I read Lucy's response, I was struck by how sincere it was. I totally believe that we are talking our way through this and I am happy I decided to post on this subject.

Now Tia, you bring up the issue of Lucy's exageration about the popularity of her site. But please, give the girl a chance to catch her breath. She gave everyone a sincere apology. Am I crazy or is that a big deal? Sure it's a huge deal. Give her a break. You are already blessed with self-assurance and calm certainty about yourself. You don't need to put anybody down here.

I think that underneath everything that has happened to us in our lives, we are all good people. That includes Lucy as much as it includes you Tia. Lucy has just swallowed her anger and given us her sincere apology. To me, that says she wants to belong. If she stuck a little exageration in her post to prop herself up a bit, who cares about that? It's a first step. Earlier, Tasha was very honest and forthcoming as well. For what it's worth, I apologize too for the times I spoke out of anger.

So now I'm in Lucy's corner and I ask you, Tia for a little allowance here. The stats are just a slight concern when compared to the bigger issue here.

Sunshine

Fair enough Sunshine. Sorry. I just can't handle arrogance well....that's all

[jayrl]

1. tslucy.com
unique visitors: 1591
2.tia-phoenixx.com
Unique visitors: 5597
3.shemalevictoriaxxx:
Unique visitors: 9511

Interesting stats Tia.

From Compete:
TsLucy had more visitors during Jan, Feb, mar, july, Nov, and a monthly avg of 1609 unique visitors.
Tia-phoenixx.com had more visits during April, May, Jun, Aug, Sept, Oct, Dec and a monthly avg of 2286 Unique visitors.

As for unique visitors, considering you seemed to live on the road last year, I presume you posted ads in each new locale (CL, Eros, whatever magazine, newspapers etc etc) and would expect you to have higher visits, purely from people seeing your ad and them looking you up (it would have been a real statement if you didn't have higher numbers).

The overall yearly spike in visits to your site of +948% is proof of this. I'm sure when lucy travels, her monthly visits spike as well.

As for your Unique Visitors comparison, you don't mention in your post that this happened to be the month in which you received your highest amount of unique visitors over the year (more than double your monthly average), or that this was the same month in which Lucy lost her mother and did not work at all.

As for Compete, it lists Craigslist, nowtoronto, and shemalelola.com as the top referers to her site. I only bring this up because I know for a fact that none of these listed sites is her top referring site, so I don't know how Compete gets it's statistics, and if they are even a fair representation of at least a cross section of data, but, this is what we are working with.

Victoria's site (I'm not sure why she is included in your post, maybe you figure it would be a little jab, but since she is included) has 36 referring sites, and unless either of you, Lucy or Tia, are gonna start doing porn, you won't reach her numbers. Top referrers include ccbill.com, bigcockshemalesex.com, torontoshemaleescorts.com, her-dick.com, sexyshemalewhores.com. I believe Victoria also owns the domain torontoshemaleescorts.com which will always be a high google hit for travelers to Toronto, obviously.

I've spent enough time on this post, and don't really have the interest to go look at the Alexa numbers to see if they match, or are skewed in a way that make you feel good, if so, good on ya. I also don't know anything about TER and why it is the best review board in North America, but if it has anything to do with traveling, I am sure you got the last 6 months sewn up as well. Congrats.

I hope Unique Visitors translates to your bank account as well.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Interesting stats Tia.

From Compete:
TsLucy had more visitors during Jan, Feb, mar, july, Nov, and a monthly avg of 1609 unique visitors.
Tia-phoenixx.com had more visits during April, May, Jun, Aug, Sept, Oct, Dec and a monthly avg of 2286 Unique visitors.

As for unique visitors, considering you seemed to live on the road last year, I presume you posted ads in each new locale (CL, Eros, whatever magazine, newspapers etc etc) and would expect you to have higher visits, purely from people seeing your ad and them looking you up (it would have been a real statement if you didn't have higher numbers).

The overall yearly spike in visits to your site of +948% is proof of this. I'm sure when lucy travels, her monthly visits spike as well.

As for your Unique Visitors comparison, you don't mention in your post that this happened to be the month in which you received your highest amount of unique visitors over the year (more than double your monthly average), or that this was the same month in which Lucy lost her mother and did not work at all.

As for Compete, it lists Craigslist, nowtoronto, and shemalelola.com as the top referers to her site. I only bring this up because I know for a fact that none of these listed sites is her top referring site, so I don't know how Compete gets it's statistics, and if they are even a fair representation of at least a cross section of data, but, this is what we are working with.

Victoria's site (I'm not sure why she is included in your post, maybe you figure it would be a little jab, but since she is included) has 36 referring sites, and unless either of you, Lucy or Tia, are gonna start doing porn, you won't reach her numbers. Top referrers include ccbill.com, bigcockshemalesex.com, torontoshemaleescorts.com, her-dick.com, sexyshemalewhores.com. I believe Victoria also owns the domain torontoshemaleescorts.com which will always be a high google hit for travelers to Toronto, obviously.

I've spent enough time on this post, and don't really have the interest to go look at the Alexa numbers to see if they match, or are skewed in a way that make you feel good, if so, good on ya. I also don't know anything about TER and why it is the best review board in North America, but if it has anything to do with traveling, I am sure you got the last 6 months sewn up as well. Congrats.

I hope Unique Visitors translates to your bank account as well.

I just copied the last month (which is December this year) unique visitors on www.compete.com

Check on www.alexa.com our rank changes daily there, so you can see up and down of visits and rank practically every day. Unless if I'm on vacation or outside Canada and USA, her website rank is always below me so far. You may believe me or not. That's the fact.

Nevertheless, she is indeed a popular escort in Toronto.
You have some points there regarding traveling. Yes, i'm sure she will have more unique visitors when she travels more. She've just added some new pictures this month, it will also boots her unique visitors for month of January. Let's see.

Craiglist, newspapers?
No i don't advertise on craiglist/newspaper while i was in the states..way too dangerous. Mainly on Eros and TER, that are my main target market since it caters primarily to business men


Regarding Victoria's site, that's true, we can't compare it directly to Lucy's or mine, but hey, her website is popular, covering lots of area in this world.

Last but definitely not the least, I don't care who is more popular on this site, Toronto, Canada..or in the entire world. As long as we are happy, that really matters right?

I just have a problem with arrogant people in general or those who like to "inflate" things or worse, lie about something for their own benefits.

I guess Lucy has realized her mistakes by now.


There! I said it as bluntly and as wisely as it is! Without any drama, just telling the truth and how I feel with regards to it.

Good night

[Justcurious34]

Interesting stats Tia.

From Compete:
TsLucy had more visitors during Jan, Feb, mar, july, Nov, and a monthly avg of 1609 unique visitors.
Tia-phoenixx.com had more visits during April, May, Jun, Aug, Sept, Oct, Dec and a monthly avg of 2286 Unique visitors.

As for unique visitors, considering you seemed to live on the road last year, I presume you posted ads in each new locale (CL, Eros, whatever magazine, newspapers etc etc) and would expect you to have higher visits, purely from people seeing your ad and them looking you up (it would have been a real statement if you didn't have higher numbers).

The overall yearly spike in visits to your site of +948% is proof of this. I'm sure when lucy travels, her monthly visits spike as well.

As for your Unique Visitors comparison, you don't mention in your post that this happened to be the month in which you received your highest amount of unique visitors over the year (more than double your monthly average), or that this was the same month in which Lucy lost her mother and did not work at all.

As for Compete, it lists Craigslist, nowtoronto, and shemalelola.com as the top referers to her site. I only bring this up because I know for a fact that none of these listed sites is her top referring site, so I don't know how Compete gets it's statistics, and if they are even a fair representation of at least a cross section of data, but, this is what we are working with.

Victoria's site (I'm not sure why she is included in your post, maybe you figure it would be a little jab, but since she is included) has 36 referring sites, and unless either of you, Lucy or Tia, are gonna start doing porn, you won't reach her numbers. Top referrers include ccbill.com, bigcockshemalesex.com, torontoshemaleescorts.com, her-dick.com, sexyshemalewhores.com. I believe Victoria also owns the domain torontoshemaleescorts.com which will always be a high google hit for travelers to Toronto, obviously.

I've spent enough time on this post, and don't really have the interest to go look at the Alexa numbers to see if they match, or are skewed in a way that make you feel good, if so, good on ya. I also don't know anything about TER and why it is the best review board in North America, but if it has anything to do with traveling, I am sure you got the last 6 months sewn up as well. Congrats.

I hope Unique Visitors translates to your bank account as well.

Dude
Thank you
You saved me a lot of work, because I was about to take on this task of figuring out this reality check !! and its amazing timing loll

I will add one point, In my opinion as a student of what makes a business a success ! , I will say where ever Lucy decided to travel and work, it would be a matter of hours for her to achieve a top recognized position in markets of her choice.
,Her charm and strong reputation would proceed her,
her photo portfolio would close the deal ,
her people skills would be a strong asset.

it is so simple a task, if the market is that lucrative hire a business planner and develop and exploit any market of choice including Internet ,web
she is a university graduate of finance, her success will match her ambitions as a high achiever.

one VERY SERIOUS comment to all, cut back on any comments of your personnel wealth and achievements and travel assets , the walls have ears, you may fine yourselves in some serious cross border tax problems

The Canadian tax act states that all assets and earnings of the world to be included in your tax form,
I think a forensic Auditor may have so much fun with information such as popularity hits and percentages that converts into cash ,

and yes, it is getting real easy to tract monies wired and transferred, banking and the tax dept. are light years ahead with following the money,
The last couple of years has created very sophisticated computers , money laundering that's going on world wide is almost down to a slow event.
duke

[Shemale Cygnet]

Ouch, could be that 'Omega' thing though. Reading about it struck some kinda chord with me. Alpha males, Beta males and Omega males. Do some reading on those to see what you feel like after that. But there are enough shemales (Omega males?! Yuck, some prolly are though not sure how shemales fit into that descript though it's possible . . . ). Shemale has become a subculture instead of a mere expression of Omega type, but still, makes for kinda foundation shaking reading. Identity under attack ! Don't let it infect you ! A little help here, am so weirded out in some ways . . .

[Justcurious34]

my fault,its not good to be too honest and straight forward especially in this forum.I should have let it go and read and make fun of it like the majority of the SP's.but I couldn't control myself as usual.
why did I put myself into this ugly low class drama?why did I lower myself that much?
I have more than enough regulars to keep myself busy for my entire working life,I am very well known in canada&states even in europe,I am very well established,I have the biggest and most professional site which gets 6000 to 10000 hits a day from all over the world,still young and healthy,reached all of my goals in life,financially be able to retire even today....etc
I feel so embarresed.I promise myself not to post anything in this forum other than my own threads,its not my bussiness to correct things...
from now on,my promises ;not to be informative to anybody,not to talk with any other SP's other than my friends,and will never let people to put me in their trash....promise
and I am so sorry for the forum members for what happened in the last 24 hours.
hugs,
Lucy

Good morning Lucy
Its 3 in the morning,I cant sleep, this virus has really given me lots of trouble, so between coughs,I would like to write a few comments
first,Its the right move you apologizing to members of the forum, I'm certain the apology will be accepted by all,

regarding this new topic on whom is the most popular, there is little doubt in my mind you are recognized as one of the top professionals escorts,

Looking at your credentials, and so many classic reviews it would only be a short time for you to appreciate the elite class where ever you decided to make your home & business. on this planet

rather then get into whom is the most popular,which most of the members can figure out on there own.

Lets go another road, something to think about, maybe its time to give something back

Like every other profession there is always the next generation or group making their way into the chosen profession.for what ever reason,

transition ,medical ,short term cash flow, employment so many real reasons

. Lucy having made this excellent achievement

, maybe its time you reached out to help, because no matter what happens the young transsexual like all , will still face Prejudice and discrimination,
it would be a magnificent forum if they could read and discuss topic's concerning them and the chosen life style. and have role models such as Sunshine and you to guide them

To keep them from falling into the traps of early success and life style bad habits

,you are a very attractive intelligent person, perfect role model for the young girls making the transition, reach out to them, become a full spectrum person, like I believe you could be

Sunshine is accepting the full leadership role, to create a sensitive topic to address an issue that needs to be addressed immediately
I commend you both,
Lucy pick up the challange, you could do so much
put that magic that is you to work for the good of all that needs help & direction

there is strength in numbers unite rather then destroy,

duke

[Justcurious34]

as I said no comments,I know what I am and I know where I am and what you are, where you are......etc
no comments.
let it go,enjoy with your life...
have a good night to everybody.

Lucy

this too will pass,
from some, every knock is a BOOST ,loll
duke

[konabuds]

Good MOrning Sunshine,

Since you have spoken so elquently on this subject and brought it to light, i will spend the moment or two that you asked for and given you my opinon on the matter.

I sit back and watch the posts, look at the profiles, the photos, of each of the girls. I initially for my lists of girls i would like to visit, my favorites who in my mind i must vist as the funds, time is available. I send out private messages talking with each one, trying to get a better feel for there personality.

Then you start seeing the tibits come over the forum, this person is this, that person is that and then you start to doubt if you were wrong about that person. You start to wonder if there is too much drama. i start to think to myself, even though she is smoking hot, is it worth it.

I know i may only be meeting someone once, but that one time i want to know that is the most incredible visit that it can be. I want to know that the person is honest, sincere, not only to me but to those around the loop.

Sometimes, nothing being said is the best thing to say. For all of you that do attack, that say words that may hurt someone as you se as a competitor, remember you are not only hurting them, but hurting yourself. In my case, and i hope in the case of others to, i don't want to see someone that bad mouths people, that kicks them for no reason other then they are a competetor.

You all might want to read a book called " Tuesday with Morries", when you first start to read it you will be sad, shed a few tears but a you read it maybe it will make you stop and think about how much you really have and how meaningless all the negativeness really is that some of you bring about.

I hope i make sense and didnt ramble on too long.

kona

I may be wrong but I see no evidence to suggest that I am. The bullying does not come from just any Tgirl. It comes from SPs. Now Kona, you bring this into focus but maybe you should go further. Maybe you should tell us how it makes you feel, as a client, to be a witness to this bullying. Maybe if SPs realized that they are losing clients by behaving like this, it would encourage them to change their approach. And please everybody... I am not generalizing here... I am not saying that all SPs are bullies.

So, if you can spare a moment Kona to tell us how it makes you feel, I think that I am not alone in wanting to hear you.

Nobody is immune to this and nobody can claim to have never spoken out in anger. But if we keep talking about it, maybe we can win back our faith in each other and once again share with everybody here in a respectful and meaningful way.

As an SP myself, I would not want Admin to start generalizing and to ban me from the forum just because of my occupation. I think there is room in the forum for both SPs and non-SPs, for clients and admirers. But I think we need to stay sharp and watch out for this bullying or we risk losing the forum's best friends in disgust and all that will be left here will be the ones who enjoy laughing at the expense of others.

Sunshine

[jayrl]

Lets put an end to Compete and their "data", and I imagine the same for the other site as well.

I just went through the reports for Lucy's site, and in December, she had 18505 Unique Visitors, Averaging 661 a day. I'm not talking about page hits either just to be clear.

I would suggest embedding your own statistics counter code in your website rather than leave it to a third party, you might have more visitors than you think too.

As for the updated galleries, they should make minimal difference, (this thread may cause a small increase in traffic as I do not believe she has posted anywhere that her site has been updated), but less than 20% of Lucy's site visits are local traffic anyway.

The key from this is that over 80% of Lucy's traffic is not in a position to see her if they wanted to (unless they are gonna fly in, or fly her out). So unless someone runs a membership fee/pay site, actual site traffic will have minimal impact on income.

There was so much more I was gonna comment on, but the comments have been removed, so I will leave my responses out as well.

I just have a problem with arrogant people in general or those who like to "inflate" things or worse, lie about something for their own benefits.

Don't we all.

Last but definitely not the least, I don't care who is more popular on this site, Toronto, Canada..or in the entire world. As long as we are happy, that really matters right?

Couldn't agree more. However, I'm sure if Coke and Pepsi could talk, the debates would be furious, and lots of people would be wrong.
Obviously Pepsi is better.

[tslisaparadise]

reality check:
www.alexa.com
www.compete.com

Compare your website to Victoria, www.torontoshemaleescorts.com or www.shemalevictoriaxxx.com or mine www.tia-phoenixx.com LOL

Some of us are not in grade 2

You haven't got any review on TER since 6 months btw
That is the best escort review board in NORTH AMERICA btw


here is the result (based on www.compete.com)
1. tslucy.com
unique visitors: 1591
2.tia-phoenixx.com
Unique visitors: 5597
3.shemalevictoriaxxx:
Unique visitors: 9511

tia your pathetic,lucy pours her heart out and you react like that tragic