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**stevieb** · 10-31-2005, 06:24 PM

Re: T-girls and feelings of guilt

Hey,

I totally understand what you are going through. Had a similar guilt trip the first 1/2 dozen times I paid for sex with a PRO (girls only at the time). I did find that I was okay with it after a while, but only because I set myself strict rules of engagment.
1. I ALWAYS exercise extreme caution when having sex (any sex) with a PRO (girl or t-girl). Thus... no unprotected sex of any kind and no DFK.
2. I NEVER have any professional relations when I am dating someone. NEVER!!!!!!
3. It has never occured to me that this hobby may cause me to stray from a sexual norm that I am okay with, i.e. one that works for me.
4. I would never abandon looking at Shemale pictures, etc... Just like I would never give up on masturbation... It's my time... and as long as the partner is not being neglected in lieu of masturbation... then I see no reason to stop either... Incidentally I am not all that young.... so I do have to time it right... LOL!
Not sure if that helps.... just take it easy.... it's just sex... So if you are hungry.... you eat.... thirsty.... you drink... tired... you sleep... horny..... well... nuff said.. LMAO..... North Americans make such a big deal out of it.... yet in Scandinavia it is as common place as eating or sleeping.... just something we need to be and feel well....

Stevie

**torontonian** · 10-31-2005, 06:28 PM

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Dude! You and I are in the same boat. I'm 22 as well, and Tgirls just do something for me. I personally would take a hot chick over a tgirl any day, but like you said, I do need a Tgirl fix from time to time.

**funlovin0265** · 10-31-2005, 06:29 PM

Re: T-girls and feelings of guilt

Gryphon,
Maybe what you need is to fine a TG and make her your girlfriend? Might be the best of both world for you.

**curious** · 10-31-2005, 06:30 PM

Re: T-girls and feelings of guilt

hi yu exsactly my thinking Curious

**enufsed** · 10-31-2005, 08:46 PM

Re: T-girls and feelings of guilt

Gryphen, let's face it, being with a shemale is the outer fringe of sex for most people. It's very edgy and that's what makes it exciting. I am heterosexual -- but in my late 30s turned to the occasional visit with a Tgirl to experience the "variation." A couple of observations:

1) I have no interest in gay sex. I'm not at all attracted to men, which is why for this to work for me, the lady must be completely convincing.

2) I enjoy the kinkyness of it. It's very taboo for a man to experience sucking a cock or fucking someone who has a cock in the ass. It was considered criminal until recent history, and in some places is still punishable by death. Crossing that boundary, that last taboo, was very liberating for me.

3) You need to get to the place where you evenutally find perspective as to where this fits into your life. I value having a family and raising my kids, so having a full-blown relationship with a shemale is not in he cards for me. Yet I find the occasional romp with one adds a lot of spice to my life.

I'm in my mid-40s (younger looking, but definitely not a 20-something, alas!). I have a lot more self-acceptance now and am not worried about these things in the way I was when I first tried it. I don't know what your "formula" might end up being, but give yourself time and learn about your preferences before you do anything serious like getting married. You have the benefit that you're learning while very young. I started into this much later, but hey, the Internet wasn't even around when I was your age!

Good luck.

**enufsed** · 10-31-2005, 09:49 PM

Re: T-girls and feelings of guilt

As an aside, I've recently read two history books, one about ancient Florida and one about Hawaii before the Europeans arrived. In these ancient cultures there was quite an interesting tradition in which the kings and warrior heroes were treated not only to female concubines but also the ongoing sexual favors of certain male warriors who altered their appearance to look like females. It seems that in some of the long-lived cultures that totally missed the mores of the Judeo-Christian tradition and its oppressive sexual values, enjoying sex with a "woman with a cock" was considered the ultimate sexual refinement, a pure delicacy. Perhaps the internet is exposing many of us to a deeply ancient cultural pleasure that was until recently repressed. I bring this up only because you refer to guilt feelings. Maybe we need to look to other cultures for guidance here.

**curious** · 10-31-2005, 10:27 PM

Re: T-girls and feelings of guilt

hi yu, what ever will be will be, thats life, whats normal in one society is taboo in another, human beings a strange lot, not so Curious

**maximus** · 11-01-2005, 02:56 PM

Re: T-girls and feelings of guilt

Thanks for the input, guys...

Some interesting points brought up. I have thought about a tgirl girlfriend before, but I think I would have trouble with that. I am your average, straight looking white boy jock univeristy student. So, to date a tgirl would be dishonest for me atleast, because I would be lying if I said that I would introduce her to my friends and have her become part of my life. Tgirls are still a fringe thing, unforutnatley, and it would be selfish for me to date one because I would definatley have to keep her from seperate from other facets of my life. "Tis a shame that some lifestyles are more socially acceptable then others.

I totally agree with not giving up pictures tgirls and refraining from thinking about them when I glaze my ham. FUCK THAT NOISE! Masturbation time is my masturbation time, and when I have to get my jollies, I have to have full access to whatever is in the spank bank in my brain...not matter what is in there.

So, I guess I have come to a conclusion. I don't know whether my shemale lust is just a phase or it will become a permenant part of who I am. If I am going to give up my current lifestyle and date shemales exclusively, or just keep it as a hobby. What I can tell you is that I am going to go with the flow, keep admiring them but at the same time play it safe by keeping my options open.

...And to all the tgirls I have met and talked to over my short t-girl admiring career: for the most part, all of you have been great to talk to (and do other things with, of course). I think one of the main reasons I am attracted to you guys is because when I talk to you I never feel like I am being judged, because at some point I believe that all Tgirls are considered "weird" by people they know. So, it is nice to talk to a group of people that have had that experience and knowing how uncomfortable it can make one feel refrain from giving off that judgemental vibe.

This forum rocks

**tglover** · 11-01-2005, 03:39 PM

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Hello, I am Tglover, I am bitter & insecure. Please forgive my posts as they are not funny at all! I am using this forum to make myself feel better....

**enufsed** · 11-01-2005, 04:43 PM

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tglover, you might want to be more cautious about what you write on these boards. Your last post above reveals a certain amount of hatred, perhaps even self-hatred, just beneath the surface. I mean, "not even let them touch your dog..." Get serious, dude. And the use of the word "faggot" is really inflammatory. Do you not realize that to gay people, that's like using the word "nigger" in front of a black person? Express yourself, fine, and even poke fun at the whole situation, but I think the hatred needs to be ratcheted down a notch or seven. Perhaps the moderator should take steps in regard to this latest post. Forgive me if tglover was trying to be funny, but I think a certain line has been crossed here.

BTW, I really don't want to get drawn into an ongoing feud here, I have better things to do, so this is the last time I'm going to criticize anything you write here, tglover. I just wanted to share the thought above. Have a nice day, and I hope you genuinely are a "tgirl lover" as your handle implies.

**curious** · 11-01-2005, 04:52 PM

Re: T-girls and feelings of guilt

hi yu, im married so my wife doesnt know, but if i wasnt i wood be prowd to be seen with some of the ladies i have seen i love sex and sex with these ladies is wonderful, watching them really exsplode is amazing

Curious

**sportsboy** · 11-01-2005, 08:29 PM

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gryphon i know exactly where you are coming from. and frankly, i dont have a pure answer for you. Your best bet is to go with your feelings and start dating tgirls, you can keep your friends etc.. but still date a tgirl at the same time. Maybe worlds cant collide, but you can stay happy at the same time. Thats what i did.

**Kent Dorfman** · 11-01-2005, 08:43 PM

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Gryphon, dating a tgirl might be the answer to your questions but I don't know as I've never tried it. The one this I would suggest is that you keep this from your girlfriends because unless you are dating one of those rare gems that likes to walk on the wild side herself (which can be a pandoras box on it's own) they are not going to understand. For most men and women, tgirls are just men in drag who have had some surgery. Unless you see them as women and accept them as women its impossible to understand any kind of sexual relationship with them.

Good luck sorting things out. Odds are you'll be like most of us where Tgirls and other girls remain just a hobby outside of our raditional relationships. As you said play safe and enjoy it.

**curious** · 11-01-2005, 08:52 PM

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hi yu, funny what our brain does when it cums to sex, why would somebody find a man looking like a lady attractive, well i do and it is obvious there are a lot of people who do, why because they are attractive and they work at it, it really is quite amazing, this forum is to be thanked for holding just such a forum. Curious

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