CD's & TV's vs Shemales.

[Nadia Kox]

They still are two separate groups though. While some transgendered people do have a crossdressing phase, they're still transgendered. They just haven't realized it/haven't accepted it/lack the resources/etc. People who are simply transvestites or crosdressers are still their biological gender. Transgendered people are different.

Most current research is showing that transgendered people have brains that are physically the gender that they identify with, not the gender they were born into. I.E. A male body with a female brain. Basically the fetus starts out female, then during weeks 8-12 in the pregnancy the female fetus gets too much testosterone, and develops male genitalia and other physical characteristics.

This is not at all the case with transvestites or crossdressers.

[greep]

no i could. what makes you an expert? pleaseeeeee you don't know shit about being trans period.

I'll admit, a lot of what I know about Tranny's, Ive got from watching/listening to Howard Stern. He's interviewed many over the years. Its really thru his show I started to develop my interest in Tgirls.

[tslisaparadise]

I'll admit, a lot of what I know about Tranny's, Ive got from watching/listening to Howard Stern. He's interviewed many over the years. Its really thru his show I started to develop my interest in Tgirls.

howard sterne is a homo thats like watching springer and assuming we all act like that in real life,follow me for a day out shopping and watch the reactions i get from people,guys following me around falling over there feet and girls getting all catty cause they can only dream of having my body its priceless.

[greep]

This is not at all the case with transvestites or crossdressers.

Your all chicks with sticks as far as Im concerned. You gals should learn to embrace your similarities as opposed to pointing out your differences.

[Nadia Kox]

You can think that, but you're wrong.

[Rantsalot]

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Ummm . . . Transvestite and Crossdresser are the same thing. It refers to people who enjoy presenting/dressing as the opposite sex.

Being Transgendered means that you don't identify with your birth gender. It's not dressing as the opposite, it's dressing as what your gender is supposed to be. That's the difference. You don't have to live as your actual gender instead of your birth gender to be transgendered.

I think you just have your terminology wrong.

I know the differences very well between all said groups. I was just generalizing.

Ok, for arguments sake drop the labels and focus on what I mentioned at the start and that there seems to be this common unseen bond between everyone mentioned yet some still chastise others for whatever said reason? Why is that?

Another point brought up by another member was how gay men seem to have utter disdain/hatred for shemales/transgendered. I brouht up how through my experience it seemed as if these guys felt betrayed or abandoned in some way.

So the question is why?

[Nadia Kox]

I would say it's more of an overlap than really a bond. I, being transgendered, don't really have anything in common with a crossdresser/transvestite.

Also, I know plenty of gay guys who love me. I don't think it's a group thing, I think some guys just don't like girls.

[tslisaparadise]

I would say it's more of an overlap than really a bond. I, being transgendered, don't really have anything in common with a crossdresser/transvestite.

Also, I know plenty of gay guys who love me. I don't think it's a group thing, I think some guys just don't like girls.

i dunno any gay guy that would like me and i like it that way it bugs the crap outta me that people link me to the gay communitty it fuckin drives me insane.

[Nadia Kox]

I know what you mean, I hate it when people don't get that gender and sexuality are completely different things. I'm bi, but that has nothing to do with me being trans.

[Alexis]

I would say it's more of an overlap than really a bond. I, being transgendered, don't really have anything in common with a crossdresser/transvestite.

Also, I know plenty of gay guys who love me. I don't think it's a group thing, I think some guys just don't like girls.

OK, this has me confused..

I'm a transvestite as far as I know and I was diagnosed by 3 shrinks as transgendered when I was 18 and having serious identity issues..

Or would that transvestite label be wrong?

You see the labels put you in a box..

Unless of course you apply the other label and say I would be transsexual, even though I don't have implants or take hormones. Seeing as my short and long term prospects are living as a female 24/7 and getting boobs (but no hormone treatments) some time soon, it may be more applicable..

One certainly cannot state that cross dressers and transvestites are the same other than in ones personal opinion. One can further safely say that some cross dressers and transvestites could very well be transgendered as well and this is how they choose to express it.

Of course I see and individual as an individual, not some one that bears a label..

[Nadia Kox]

If you were born with a penis, but identify as a female, you are transgendered. It doesn't matter if you've started transitioning, plan to take hormones, plan to get surgery, whatever. Being transgendered is a medical thing, where a fetus gets too much of the wrong sex hormone during development and develops the opposite sexual organs. This can lead to going through the opposite genders puberty and such. That's why it doesn't matter what stage you are in your transition or how what steps you want to take in it. You're either born transgendered or you aren't.

If you are a transvestite, you are a someone who enjoys dressing up like the opposite gender for sexual enjoyment. There can be many reasons for this, but the key is that you identify as your gender, not the gender you are presenting as. A crossdresser is the same thing, but without the sexual angle. Still, they identify with what they were born as.

[Alexis]

Hmm..

Must have my definitions wrong then..

This is further to the point tho that labels are misleading to say the least.

It's my understanding that a CD is the one who gets sexual enjoyment, a transvestite is a male that identifies and prefers to dress and live as a female. This is the understanding I went with when it was all explained to me 18 years ago. I hate admitting my age these days

Moot point for me really other than being an example of being mislabeled..

[Meagan Nutwood]

I know the differences very well between all said groups. I was just generalizing.

Ok, for arguments sake drop the labels and focus on what I mentioned at the start and that there seems to be this common unseen bond between everyone mentioned yet some still chastise others for whatever said reason? Why is that?

Another point brought up by another member was how gay men seem to have utter disdain/hatred for shemales/transgendered. I brouht up how through my experience it seemed as if these guys felt betrayed or abandoned in some way.

So the question is why?

In the black & latino LGTBQ community(in the states) the reasons are a lot more vocal and obvious. Gay men have an issue with the fact that Transwomen usually pull men that a gay man would never have the chance to. Gay men usually look at us Tgirls as men dressing up as women (EVEN with the surgeries and such). SO they feel that we are the same thing. They also love to call the tgirl admirers , fags and closest fags and all of that. They think that we (tgirls) are delusional and the men that are into tgirls just as delusional if not worse. A lot of tgirls I know (from the states) Do not like to associate with gays and actually would like to be a separate community. This issue is actually a lot more aggressive in the states than it is here. The tgirls in the states cannot stand to be put in the same category as cross dressers. They find it very offensive. And Actually I find it a bit offensive my self. There is a mental difference between a cross dresser and a transgendered person. Rantsalot said that we all had to be cross dressers at some point and I have to disagree with that statement. I mean it does "technically" appear that way , but as you can imagine it is way deeper than what it looks like. Cross dressing is short lived... The beginning of a tgirl's transition is truly the beginning of her life. Its totally different.

[tslisaparadise]

In the black & latino LGTBQ community(in the states) the reasons are a lot more vocal and obvious. Gay men have an issue with the fact that Transwomen usually pull men that a gay man would never have the chance to. Gay men usually look at us Tgirls as men dressing up as women (EVEN with the surgeries and such). SO they feel that we are the same thing. They also love to call the tgirl admirers , fags and closest fags and all of that. They think that we (tgirls) are delusional and the men that are into tgirls just as delusional if not worse. A lot of tgirls I know (from the states) Do not like to associate with gays and actually would like to be a separate community. This issue is actually a lot more aggressive in the states than it is here. The tgirls in the states cannot stand to be put in the same category as cross dressers. They find it very offensive. And Actually I find it a bit offensive my self. There is a mental difference between a cross dresser and a transgendered person. Rantsalot said that we all had to be cross dressers at some point and I have to disagree with that statement. I mean it does "technically" appear that way , but as you can imagine it is way deeper than what it looks like. Cross dressing is short lived... The beginning of a tgirl's transition is truly the beginning of her life. Its totally different.

oh very well said

[Alexis]

Labels..

OK so I still don't get the labels..

So I clearly remember cross dressing from the age of 5 onwards, meaning I liked to dress in girls clothing and felt like a pretty girl. I highly doubt it was anything sexual then since I didn't figure that stuff out till I was about 7-8. Yet it seems to me this was clearly cross dressing opposite to my birth gender.

So if a female dresses like a man part time do we all call her a cross dresser or a transexual?

This continued and bla bla bla here I am today still not understanding the way some of people use labels and why there are different interpretations of what they mean..

Any other girls out there remember dressing like a girl when they were still young boys?