Think twice before lending money to anyone

[Aston Martin]

One of the con-artist expectation is that the person scamed will feel too embarrassed, stupid, ashamed, assholed, you name it, to ever bring attention to himself or the person perpetrating the scam. I'm not going to follow that path in this case for several reasons and in the next day or two I will try recall and post the details of this tgirls scam under a new thread in the chat section, how at the time it made sense to help a friend, and why now I know the false pretense used to seperate me from my money was planed for months. To those who will say "oh, I know her and she's not like that", I say that's what I thought too. To those who will say "well ya... you fell for that pile of shit " I say a hidden long term agenda coupled with a very strong conviction and believabilty in her words can allow one to suspend their disbelief and believe what one wants to believe. FYI $20k, and yes I can afford it, after all Aston Martins don't fix themselves and neither do I. lol Later

[tsKITANA]

One of the con-artist expectation is that the person scamed will feel too embarrassed, stupid, ashamed, assholed, you name it, to ever bring attention to himself or the person perpetrating the scam. I'm not going to follow that path in this case for several reasons and in the next day or two I will try recall and post the details of this tgirls scam under a new thread in the chat section, how at the time it made sense to help a friend, and why now I know the false pretense used to seperate me from my money was planed for months. To those who will say "oh, I know her and she's not like that", I say that's what I thought too. To those who will say "well ya... you fell for that pile of shit " I say a hidden long term agenda coupled with a very strong conviction and believabilty in her words can allow one to suspend their disbelief and believe what one wants to believe. FYI $20k, and yes I can afford it, after all Aston Martins don't fix themselves and neither do I. lol Later

OUCHHH, *hug* there i give u a hug!
hope you fix your situtation.


<3

[Aston Martin]

Thanks Kitanna, I was trying to say my Aston Martin is a money pit, could have put it a little clearer.

[Tasha Jones RIP]

20 K. Damm I should have jumped on that money train....lol

I have my popcorn Mr. Martin and I am already to hear the details.

But I am very sorry this happened to you...no one sould take advantage of someones trust and get away with it. So as they say...Light em up!

[tslisaparadise]

One of the con-artist expectation is that the person scamed will feel too embarrassed, stupid, ashamed, assholed, you name it, to ever bring attention to himself or the person perpetrating the scam. I'm not going to follow that path in this case for several reasons and in the next day or two I will try recall and post the details of this tgirls scam under a new thread in the chat section, how at the time it made sense to help a friend, and why now I know the false pretense used to seperate me from my money was planed for months. To those who will say "oh, I know her and she's not like that", I say that's what I thought too. To those who will say "well ya... you fell for that pile of shit " I say a hidden long term agenda coupled with a very strong conviction and believabilty in her words can allow one to suspend their disbelief and believe what one wants to believe. FYI $20k, and yes I can afford it, after all Aston Martins don't fix themselves and neither do I. lol Later

youve always been a stand up guy and i respect you alot i do hope you get your money back babe

[Clone 0101]

Now I have met both this tgirl and Aston Martin. It is said that this happened to you AM. I really hope things get sorted, but lets be honest for a second. These girls make a living at providing a fantasy for men. Some better actress than others. I can understand where the lines may get blurred sometimes. In all honesty though even though they may seem sincere and genuine. Keep in mind you are not seeing a real person you are seeing a business that is offering you a service. Please keep your guard up as like any business these girls would offer you the world if in some way it benefited them.

[Clone 0101]

youve always been a stand up guy and i respect you alot i do hope you get your money back babe

I agree he is a very stand up guy! He was nothing but a gentleman when I met him. I really do hope things are sorted out!

[fifthace]

I hear ya

I lost about 15,000 the same way so I hear what your saying.

One of the con-artist expectation is that the person scamed will feel too embarrassed, stupid, ashamed, assholed, you name it, to ever bring attention to himself or the person perpetrating the scam. I'm not going to follow that path in this case for several reasons and in the next day or two I will try recall and post the details of this tgirls scam under a new thread in the chat section, how at the time it made sense to help a friend, and why now I know the false pretense used to seperate me from my money was planed for months. To those who will say "oh, I know her and she's not like that", I say that's what I thought too. To those who will say "well ya... you fell for that pile of shit " I say a hidden long term agenda coupled with a very strong conviction and believabilty in her words can allow one to suspend their disbelief and believe what one wants to believe. FYI $20k, and yes I can afford it, after all Aston Martins don't fix themselves and neither do I. lol Later

[alyssa1]

aston is a swell guy

i remember aston telling me this story a while back wow! not even a cent? thats crumby!

[Aston Martin]

411 on Sue Mischka

First I'd to say as a member of the Forum I've tried to make it a practice of not trashing other people, life can be hard enough, and it usually just comes back to bite you anyways. But we have a well known escort who has crossed over from illusion into deceit and fraud and should be exposed as a conartist. Second I'd like to warn that you are about to learn why I make my income with a 500,000 RPM drill and not the pen.

My first visit with Sue was in the spring of 2008. Because of travel distance I booked a couple hours so that I might get to know the person a little more and relax from a long drive. I also called my friend Tia (some of you may have heard of her) and set up lunch in the Beachs afterword.
The visit with Sue went well, nice conversation, good sex, very upbeat time. As our time was ending Sue asked me if I'd like to see her fashion design portfolio. A collection of various concepts ranging from basic to couture. Sue told me she had produced a line of ready to wear clothes which sold in NYC and other places but there really was no market for the type of cloths she produced in Toronto as Torontonians prefered mostly hoodies and blue jeans. I left with understanding our next visit would be an over night stay, 2k for the better part of a weekend.
I had not told Tia of my visit with Sue, but I must of had that freshly fucked look on my face as with a big smile on her face Tia asked which girl did I just come from! Over lunch Tia expressed an intersest in meeting Sue sometime and becoming friends.

During the summer of 08 Sue and I had several fun weekends. Tia would sometimes join us out and about in downtown Toronto and Sue would often talk about her fashion design work. Sue was concerned about not mixing
her fashion design world with her transexual world, and wanted to keep the two apart (worked for me)

Sue would at times go into great detail about this other life she had in the design world. She talked about her frumpy buisness partner, who kept bringing her over the top design concepts back to earth, where someone could actually buy and wear her designs. How she would sometimes take a model with her to a boutique and in the dressing room completely photogragh all details of the piece they wanted to know how it was made and stiched. Sue talked about her interns some who teased her in fashion design school and now worked under her. She also told me the real money was in perfume. Once her brand had become more established
she would be able sell a perfume for big bucks that cost allmost nothing to produce next to cost of producing the clothing line. etc. etc. etc.
I asked Sue if I could see her studio where she worked. Standing on her upper level balcony Sue pointed to some red roofed building in a sea of buildings and agreed to take me there sometime.

THE CALL
On Monday September 15 2008 I called Sue, she was in a complete panic and told me she could'nt stop shaking, and needed to run a business proposition by me. She said she gone to all her friends and no one could help her. She needed an additional 20k to put in her bank account by Friday to act as collateral for a 500k loan she and her business partner needed from the bank to finance next seasons production line. Without the 500k loan she could not go into production. If I loaned her the money she would work it off with weekend visits and if I chose not to see her any more she would return the money. I have allways heard and believedthat loaning money to family and friends was a poor investment and that one should plan on the likely loss of there money, but I could use a few nice weekends, what the heck, maybe I could help save her fledgling business. I was able to get the money to her befor Friday and called later in the day to see if she had been approved. "Yep" but Sue asked that I please not tell Tia about the loan. I was good for about week. lol
I went to visit Sue mid December for a weekend. Tia met us out at Fusion for dinner. The Christmas season was underway, but there seemed to be flatness in the air. Sue had managed to piss Tia off with her attitude at dinner and then again later in the car back to Sue's but no words were traded.

Things were now heating up for me back home. I was now three years into a divorce, the economy was turning down, I had to lay off a couple employees, now half of my employees who still worked for me were pissed about the layoffs. It was not the way I wanted to start 2009.

I kept in touch with Tia who was expressing concerns over Sue's Fashion work. Tia's photographer a well known fashion photographer told Tia he knew all of fashion designers in Canada, and Sue was not one of them. Tia had also been told from Sue of a fashion show she was going to be putting on, but when Tia tried to get tickets for it nothing could be found relative to Sue had told Tia. When I asked Sue about the upcoming show she told me the modles were all ready so they went and did the show early!! WTF

Sue called a couple times in early 2009 and left a text message as to why I had not called her. I texted her back told her I was dealing with a lot of loose ends (which was true) but I also did not want to get into it.

Late summer 2009 I decided to give Sue a call and find out what was new. Although we never had any disagreement Sue would not answer or return my calls. I emiled and text her but no return. After a couple months of silence Sue emailed me. She did not want to hook up any more, she wrote, "I would like to give back the 20k that you gave me. Just need a little more time and I will send you a couple of certified cheque on your name. I need your complete address to courier it or we can meet up somewhere when you are visiting Toronto, whichever is better for you. Please I want you to take this."
I assumed Sue only owed me 18k but if she wished to pay me interest O.K. by me. I emailed her back and told her she could send me the checks.

Three months went by no word from Sue. She called me back when I left the message I was going to expose her as a fraud. She acted all flustered and wanted to know why I was acting like this. I told her she had promised to pay me back when she asked to borrow the money and again three months ago, and that I really did not want to expose her because it would put both of us in a bad light, but I really did not think she going to pay me back without a litttle proding.
Sue told me she had expenses, that she was not a millionaire, and this economy...I told her she could me 2k per month. No she was going to do that she was going to pay me back on her terms and I had to trust her. I asked when she was going to pay me back and she told me 3-6 months.

Six months later it is now August 2010. I catch Sue off guard by calling her on a unlisted phone number, again she tells me she has expenses (I tell her everone I know has expenses) She tells again she is not a millioaire (I tell her that most of the people I know are not either, but they still pay their bills) she again tells me this economy... I asked her when she is going to pay me back and she says she doesn't know when but that should stop calling her and she will call me when she is ready. She said she was not going to mail me any money and she did not want me to travel to Toronto for just a couple thousand dollars. I asked her if she was not to mail me the money or give it to me in person how she was going to get it to me?? At this point she told me she had another call and had to go.

Thats my story it's sad but true, about a girl that I once new...

Hopefully someone will catch this post and save himself from
this conartist. And for sure if Sue ever pays me back I would post that, I'm just not going to hold my breath. Now I feel better. Thanks for reading

[dan_calgary]

Wow

WOW,

I am speechless & all of a sudden don't feel so bad,

I helped out a girl, gave maybe up to $3,000, never saw a cent or any service in return, always promised to get back to me, Never did, luckily I cut off the train at 3
(will not mention name)

but no where near what some of you have gone through,

you know it does suck, some of us guys are decent, nice, do care, and that's how we get treated sometimes,

let's make a point not all girls are like that,

but you now understand why we are reluctant to help out anymore.

and the STUPID thing is, they WOULD of made that money off us anyways, over time, some girls are not to bright

just my $20,000 thoughts on the subject

[Tia Phoenixx]

My dear friend Aston Martin,

You really put me in a difficult position ..you know...

I told you several times to be faithful and marry me lol

And see what had happened now...?

Anyway, i don't know this tgirl well enough to give a fair judgement.

But one thing I know for sure, that you have told the truth and being honest and straight forward.

Well, I can't help much with this regards

Hopefully she will pay you back someday...?


Tia

[Paris-Montreal]

omg i heard the story of the 3k dan give to a girl from this girl ... i was thinking its crazy ... aand noow the 20k OMG

[Vine9]

Thanks again for the heads up AM.

[Lani]

Well Aston, in all honesty and in my solid prediction , you have more chances of getting your money back had you waited longer and channel this problem to a more diplomatic way rather than this revelation here.

I assume then that you didn't even have a promisory note nor a written agreement, which will now be very hard to prove in the court of law, but I'm sure all wasn't given in cash, could be money order? or personal cheque? which you can hold onto as proof, not only in the court of law, but in the public court as well to the veracity of this money lending story, but you know what? I do believe you that you lend her that cash, coz, no idiot would come in here and post this kind of revelation if it wasn't true, and I know you are far from being an idiot, even though some would think you are by lending that big amount of money, even a rural bank would ask for a collateral.

But I know you just succumbed to the lure of helping a beautiful person and your good heart succumbed to the pressure of wanting for her to find you an endearing person, succumbed to the prospect of having a gorgeous and trusted friend to be in your life and for her to find you as such! and you are!, now it's her turn to prove that she is not a crook and not a deceit and not a liar. She must give you assurances that she has every intention of returning all the money back, if not in lump sum at least in deferred. And to prove to you and to all, that our ilk, our kind are good people, that inspite of the sadness and hardships and the tribulations we endured thru-out our lives, it doesn't makes us a cunning and deceitful people.


Give her a chance to prove this and enough time to produce the said amount, coz, it's really big! let us know any development since you've involved us already. Let us know if she carry her part of the bargain. Then we would then decide to condemned her or not, should she decide to ignore your plea.


For now I/we reserves judgement on her, but if she's intent to perpetuate this fraud and failed to redeem herself, she should think 20 thousand times also, because many many people knows her and it ain't good for her designing business and her other career, not good at all. And most importantly she must realized what a big mistake to lose an ally and a trusting friend like you, the mere fact you have given and trusted her with this big amount of cash meant she is a special person to you, not because she is a good con-artist. I'm sure you are aware that not anybody can do this to you, but she got your trust that much, it would be sad to lose that because of money, really sad.

But let her explain her side and hear her out, that's the only way you can get your money back. Otherwise, say 'sayonara' to your 20 thou.