Ladies, don't you think discrimination should be banned?

[greep]

If you think her thread is idiocy and boring, then get the hell off of it and shut the fuck up!!! All you are doing is causing shit.

I cannot understand why you go on threads you don't like and attack and argue with people for no fucking reason.

This is your last warning Greep, Plain and simple.

You are not being right, you are being a fucking asshole.
PERIOD.

Read the whole thread

Sorry, I was trying to have an intelligent exchange, between two people with different opinions. Untill Babe started belittling me and my opinions, because I am not a TG.

I guess because I'm not a Tranny, I cant possible have a legitimate opinion around here.

I thought this a forum. Not a platform for people to air their delusional beliefs unchallenged.

[Guest]

Read the whole thread, asshole.

Sorry, I was trying to have an intelligent exchange, between two people with different opinions. Untill Babe started belittling me and my opinions, because I am not a TG.

I guess because I'm not a Tranny, I cant possible have a legitimate opinion around here.

I thought this a forum. Not a platform for people to air their delusional beliefs unchallenged.

Uh huh!

[Guest]

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[greep]

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[Rantsalot]

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This is the last time that I'm posting on this issue. Greep I understand your stance but again as I said sometimes too much is too much. Babe I've also mentioned loosley that sometimes you have to take things with a grain of salt here.

I hold no sides on the matter. If neither of you can play nice together then don't play anymore.

Thats what I do in similar situations. If things get futile and theres no point to go on I just stop.

[greep]

There has been at least 20 complaints against you and yet you are still here.

Guess you wouldnt be willing to name names?

[Guest]

RENT. Oh yes, gentlemen, RENT.

Hi,

I've mentioned RENT in a previous post in this thread. It's my favorite movie, i'm sure.
I could watch this movie over and over, it seems.
I like the songs that much, the girls are sexy too, the guys are cute and Angel is very cool.

I've shown you Angel's dying scene and that alone could give people a bad image of TGs.
Sooooo, now let me show you Angel's spot light scenes so you can see how she was in the movie before she started to die.

The GUY playing Angel sings his own lines with his own voice.

The two middle (Angel) clips are favs of mine. Enjoy.

Babe,
xoxo

[discovigilante]

Informed myself, but a little long, sorry

Wow, that got messy for bit.
Anyways.
Yes, Babe, you were right, I skipped 2 of the pages earlier on in the thread and did not see you bring the focus of your concerns towards discrimination.
This is a terrible occurrence and I am sorry to hear that you have suffered professionally and personally because of another person's cruel choices.
However, I would appreciate it if you did not reply to me with comments filled with sarcasm and insults. I understand you are expressing your frustration and perhaps anger, but I will find it difficult to have further discussions if they are bogged down by such talk.
Unless you take the Rickey defense from "Trailer Park Boys", meaning, "If I can't fuckin swear and fuckin smoke, then I'm fucked." Joking
I declared my education background as an explanation of why I was responding in the way I was. Not as a declaration of superiority, but of someone who is informed and spends much of his time being informed on social issues because my present profession demands it. Which I will not state here because it has been proven that personal information in forums are too easily used as weapons against people. As you proved to me Babe.

You asked me one question: what are the elements of television?

Television (TV) here is not just the electronic device, it is a medium. All media have, basically, 4 elements that make them function and serve humanity.
First is the sender. A person must decide they have a message they want to send. This message will be fashioned by their attitude, knowledge, and emotions on the subject of the message. To do this, however, they must decide which is the best way to send that message. Luckily today we have many options, the TV is the one for our purposes here.
The second element is the technology. This is the television set, the camera, film, broadcasting towers, satellites, cables, etc. These all have influence over how we understand what is on the TV. Consider the very fact that you have used videos a great deal to explain and further your point. If you only had audio do you think it would be the same? Not likely, video has a greater impact because humans are heavily reliant on vision. Which leads me to the third element.
This is the content. The content is inspired and designed/written/expressed by the sender, but is modified to fit the demands of the medium. TV as a medium, or even online vids, have constraints. These constraints come from many places, like private corps, gov't, understanding the use of the tech, the abilities of the tech to capture the complete message (the right emotions often lose out).
Finally, the fourth element is the audience or receiver. The audience goes though the acts of observing, interpreting, and judging all messages given to them. And each of those acts is influenced by what the audience brings to the table within them. Their attitude, their knowledge, their emotions, and their physical ability (TV doesn't do much for the blind does it?) all factor into the understanding of the message that has been sent.

I know this is a little preachy and not very forum like. I hope it has some positive use.

[Guest]

Finally.

Hi discovigilante,

I accept your apology. Thank you.

I introduced you to my humor. When posts frustrate me, i try to reflect the frustration with the hopes the person thinks twice when they respond. It's sort of a dry humor i have.
I'm sorry if i offended you.

I am really sleepy at the moment - i need sleep. I wish you would have said more in your last post about how all that you've mentioned could be used to discriminate. You're the one who's studied all of this communication stuff.
I'm just complaining about what i see on the tube.

Enlighten me or maybe all of us. Tell us how television is such a powerful tool and how it can be used to influence the opinions of generations of people over say the span of...oh, i don't know...60 years, maybe. The span of two transsexual generations.
I'm sure discrimination had begun earlier, but i think television really promoted it.

Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

...TV doesn't do much for the blind does it?...

Actually, television does a lot for the blind. Now, we have TV stations that are geared to help the visually impaired by having a narrator describing the scenes.

Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

Cross-dressing Milton Berle on the Lucy - Desi Comedy Hour

Hi,

Here is another example of portraying cross-dressing in a negative light on television. Yes, yes, we all know that Milton Berle is a man and not a TS.
In this episode, Milton Berle plays himself as a man.

But when they show Milton Berle, the man, pretending to be a woman on television and he can't walk properly in his high heels and can't talk properly because of his low voice, which gets, by the way, lots of laughs from the audience, that was discrimination whether you care to admit it or not.

It's okay to have the Father of Television, Mr. Milton Berle, do his cross-dressing bit for Lucy and Desi but to make him look like an idiot really sent out a negative message to the viewers about Tgs.
They laughed at it - at us.

Also, see, especially, in the first clip, how Lucy acts totally subservient to the mouthy, bossy Ricky. He asks her if she understood what he'd just said, and Lucy, with her eyes down, responds with, "Yes, sir.", in a respectful manner - not as a joke. She acts likes a little girl, they all did for the most part, back then. That's what television made many women feel like back then. THAT was the way to behave. That is the influence of the media on the masses.
We gobble it up because it comes from a television set as God's truth.

I 'm sorry for the bad audio and for the high pitched sound in these videos, i've tried to find a better source but this is the best i could find. I just adjust the treble on my speakers.

Check out the discrimination of First Nation's people in the next clip. That is no longer allowed to do because the First Nations got together and complained. Yet TGs are still discriminated against.

This next clip shows the scene (from the same episode) i am talking about when Milton Berle REALLY hams it up in drag - better sound quality.

SURE, it's comedy, and it's funny to look at but does it make it right what's being done there?
I suppose back in 1959 it was alright to discriminate. The sneers, laughter, ridicule, job loses, evictions, social abuse and murders, however, still continue even in 2011, and all thanks to how the media has portrayed TGs in the past.

Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

Dr Jekyll and Sister Hyde? Yep, and she's the murderer, of course.

Hi,

In 1971, a movie came out based on Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. It seems the doctor transforms into a transwoman and then does the killing. Figures!
What's the purpose? Entertainment? Discrimination?

Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

Dr Jekyll and Ms Hyde? Oh no!! Now she's a nymphomaniac!

Hi

Dr Jekyll and Ms Hyde? Yep, it's a comedy now as he turns into a woman and tries to have sex with anyone with power in the office to climb the company ladder.

Doesn't a TG in the movies ever become a hero or a saint, or at least, dies screaming "FREEEEEDOMMMM!!!" like William Wallace (Braveheart) did? No. Hollywood has another role for us to play.

Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

Hi,

The Badge.
A good-old-boy small-town sheriff in a New Orleans parish happens upon a murder case that threatens to end his career in Behind the Badge, the embattled second feature of writer/director Robby Henson (Pharaoh's Army). Billy Bob Thornton stars as Darl, a divorced lawman first spotted sleeping in his truck outside his favorite bar. Darl gets a call about a truck accident, and happily hands out shoes from the ditched tractor-trailer to win over the locals for his re-election. But then the body of a beautiful woman is found in the mud near the wrecked truck. The "woman" turns out to be a transsexual with a .22 slug in her back. Prejudice reigns in the small community, and no one seems to be taking the murder too seriously. Local politicians, including a powerful judge (William Devane), are focused on the upcoming election, and are also angling to build a casino in town, and so they want to keep the sordid murder quiet. The victim's wife, Scarlet (Patricia Arquette), a New Orleans stripper, shows up. Despite Darl's own prejudices, he finds himself attracted to Scarlet, and starts to look into the case. Soon he learns that his investigation and his big mouth have cost him his slot on the ticket. When he presses on, he finds himself jailed on a trumped-up statutory rape charge. Struggling with his own family history of disgrace, Darl considers making a deal with the local bigwigs in order to keep his job. But when he learns that Scarlet is in danger, he's forced into action. Sela Ward and Jena Malone also star. Behind the Badge was heading for theatrical distribution before production company Propaganda Films went bankrupt. The film was unable to find a new distributor and premiered on Starz cable on September 7, 2002.

Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

Another viewpoint.

Hi,

No, its not starting all over again because i show this clip again. Look at the part, near the end of the time i focus on.
The lion says, "Seriously, though.", as if it's impossible and a total joke for a t-girl to have anyone finding her - or even a him in a dress, attractive.
Ok, it's all done as a joke - but at who's expense? Ours or yours? Or both?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A45jv...feature=fvwrel
See from 0:43 until 0:56

If i could edit out all the rest out, and just keep that little bit from 0:43 until 0:56, it would help you focus on the discriminatory part of this cute, entertaining trailer.
It's there to remind everyone, in as little time as a 13-second-segment of a thirty-second-spot on prime-time television, that it's okay to act that way when someone "comes out" regardless whether the person is sexy looking or ugly looking.
No one has the right to do that to another person. It's called gender discrimination, folks.

Here's another angle that maybe jives with all of you hetrosexual men a little better:
I know that when/if some guy says that the t-girl you like is ugly in these forums, boy, you guys would write to defend her, correct?
You would give the insulting guy a piece of your mind, right? Of course you would, you are all gentlemen. Right??
Okay, here's what's happening.
There is a team of writers who write up lines that insult and degrade the t-girls you like. Those lines make you laugh, ha ha ha, but it causes you to be laughed at when you want to take out a t-girl and she isn't 100% passable - sometimes even when she is 100% passable and some one just happens to know.
Those writers wrote those lines to make society look at you guys like you are a bunch of queers, and they insult your favorite t-girls at the same time.

Every time a movie hurts the image of a TG, your manly, male image is also ruined and affected because the image of what society sees as a tranny will drag you down, too, like it does her - that's why so many guys are all gung-ho on her being passable. You want the tranny, alright, but you don't want anyone knowing she is what she is. So, technically, you guys also discriminate against the very girl on your arm by doing what these movies have taught you to do - to feel shame in public.
That's what these movies and television shows have taught us all: that if you like a being with a tranny, then you must be as screwed up as a tranny - that's the message it sends about (giggles) "hetrosexual men" who like tranny sex.
{The 'giggles' was to demonstrate how discrimination can be easily get turned on to you, gentlemen.}

Think about that before responding.

Babe,
xoxo