THE FEDERAL ELECTION

[Rick6]

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The only thing pathetic about it all is your negative, shitty attitude about life and government. You need to thank god that you live in such a great nation. If you can't stand it, then f**k off. Grow up and accept the fact that death and taxes are inevitable. The tories have not opted out of the GST. They have lowered it to a more acceptable level, because we are overtaxed. BTW, the GST is a consumption tax, which means that the final user pays. Thats you and me, unless you resell what you buy. It is still the fairest form of tax. Everybody pays.
Corporations provide an indispensible service to our country and especially you. They provide employment  to people who pay taxes. Without them, there would be no economy. So don't give me that socialst bullshit about how bad corporations are.
If you think that your vote doen't count "Dallon", then you are a jerk. Its people like you that complain all the time about everything, but don't even care about voting.

[dallon]

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The only thing pathetic about it all is your negative, shitty attitude about life and government.

Negative? I am just showing you what the average six grader ought to know but doesn't due to the fucked up eduation system that pumps out morons like you.

You need to thank god that you live in such a great nation. If you can't stand it, then f**k off. Grow up and accept the fact that death and taxes are inevitable.

Greatful? for what? Canada has the highest individual tax rate than any other developed countries. I guess it is because guys like you who are stupid enough to think higher taxation is the road to prosperity.

The tories have not opted out of the GST. They have lowered it to a more acceptable level, because we are overtaxed. BTW, the GST is a consumption tax, which means that the final user pays. Thats you and me, unless you resell what you buy. It is still the fairest form of tax. Everybody pays.

Again, get you facts together and don't regergitate what you been spoon fed from the local shit box. Almost all corporations collect a billion in GST but few pass it to the government because of serveral tax schemes you would n't know if it crawls up your ass.

Corporations provide an indispensible service to our country and especially you. They provide employment to people who pay taxes. Without them, there would be no economy. So don't give me that socialst bullshit about how bad corporations are.

Socialist? Fair taxation is a socialist idea? Let me brief, my retarded friend. The modern economic system that you are so fond of, free market capitlaism, is nothing but a neo-facisim that benefits the rich at THE EXPENSE of the poor. Democracy is just a way to enforce it thru involentary mass consent. But I guess you are too dumb to undestand these BASIC concepts.

If you think that your vote doen't count "Dallon", then you are a jerk. Its people like you that complain all the time about everything, but don't even care about voting.

And the voting you have here is nothing more than a modern ritual that gives people like you the illusion of self adjusted socio-political destiny, while your being robbed blindely on a broad day light by few merchants of bullshit!

Finally, please do not insult me for your lack of understanding of the issues here. You can simple opt out of you obigations in standing up for your right as free citizen and forfiet the future of you children just by saying, this is the only system you know of.

[Rick6]

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You poor, sad, son of a bitch. It is obvious that you never heard of economics 101. The way you are talking,you never completed grade school. I am glad that there are too many morons like you loose around here.
It is obvious that I am wasting my time trying to talk some common sense into your fucked up soul.
You may carry on with your miserable life and hopefully, most people will take you for what you are, like I have.

Good luck to you Dallon, you poor miserable excuse for a Human

[tlover]

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Exactly, my point! Let us see who benefited from the free trade agreement and the GST. Multi-national corporations vis-vie the US.

Wrong, Canadian manufactures have done very well with the free trade agreement. The lower dollar certainly didn't hurt either but even with the rising dollar, Canadian manufacturers are still doing well. Another part of the reason is we seem to tend to rise to the challenge and make a better product and make it more efficiently which in some cases means cheaper than it can be done in the US.

Let me explain. Most companies DO NOT pay a cent of GST because of all the tax expemption schemes that are avail to them. Hence, over 90% of the GST reveue collected is from the average Joe like you and me here.

Sorry, wrong again at least with regards to manufacturing companies. They pay GST and everything they buy, all of the raw materials that go into making the finished products then yes they do collect GST on the finished products that are sold to distributers, retailers, etc. They remit the difference of what is collected versus paid out, assuming the finished products are sold for more than the sum of the components that went into making them.

Second, the Free trade agreement allows companies to move goods and services across the boarder without paying a dime in tarrifs and taxes, hence huge profits. It also removed all trade barriers that protected home grown CANADIAN OWNED companies from the flood of cheap labor and capital.

And you don't think the US corporations are also screaming about jobs leaving the US for Canada, just look at the softwood lumber dispute that has been ongoing.

When it comes to fair taxation especially, I want you think about this - over 90% of the tax revenue collected by revenue canada is from indivudual tax payers and not corporations. Just think about it, where is the fairness in the tax system? Why doesn't the governement replace the current tax system with something more fair across the board. It can not.

The GST, a consumption tax, came in to replace the old "manufacturers tax" which was a completely hidden tax. It was applied at the manufacturing level and just became a part of the base price of an item, then the typical mark-ups were added for distributers, retails, etc. In a free trade economy we couldn't compete with the old manufacturers tax in place as our goods would have a higher starting price than the same US goods. And being a consumption tax, everyone pays according to how much they consume or buy.

While the governement has emense power over the individual, it has zero power over the corporations as they can easily move show over night. As you see, our politicicans and the current governing system is pratically a burden for the average tax payer while it benefits the corporations thru the transfer of wealth... Open you eyes and see things for what they are, and by the end of the day, your pathetic vote does not amout to a dime!

Campanies are in busy to make money; if they don't they won't be around very long. They make money for their shareholders and they provide jobs. Any company will locate where they can make money and where the environment is better for the company overall, tax incentives to locate in a particular area, access to raw materials required by the company, access to a skilled workforce or just a stable workforce depending on level of skills required by the workers. So if we make it too hostile of an environment for a company they will locate elsewhere, thus taking the jobs with them.

[dallon]

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You poor, sad, son of a bitch. It is obvious that you never heard of economics 101. The way you are talking,you never completed grade school. I am glad that there are too many morons like you loose around here.
It is obvious that I am wasting my time trying to talk some common sense into your fucked up soul.
You may carry on with your miserable life and hopefully, most people will take you for what you are, like I have.

Good luck to you Dallon, you poor miserable excuse for a Human

I am afraid it is your mother and her mother that had been prostituized in this reched land of shitty weather. And just like them it will be you daughter and her daughter that will be sucking dick to make ends meet.As for my soul, it is whitter than the snow you worship. Money? I have made more of it by accident than your trashy great generations combined. It is you who lack the senses to see the filth your swimming in, I just call it what it is. I feel sorry for you that your own greed has blinded you to notice that the misery you call Canada has done nothing for you or your fore fathers excepts inslave them in perpetual servtiude. Go on and enjoy what you know and I certainly don't want to be the to let you know that, yes, other do live better than you will ever know. Adieu my retarded friend!

[dallon]

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Exactly, my point! Let us see who benefited from the free trade agreement and the GST. Multi-national corporations vis-vie the US.

Wrong, Canadian manufactures have done very well with the free trade agreement. The lower dollar certainly didn't hurt either but even with the rising dollar, Canadian manufacturers are still doing well. Another part of the reason is we seem to tend to rise to the challenge and make a better product and make it more efficiently which in some cases means cheaper than it can be done in the US.

Let me explain. Most companies DO NOT pay a cent of GST because of all the tax expemption schemes that are avail to them. Hence, over 90% of the GST reveue collected is from the average Joe like you and me here.

Sorry, wrong again at least with regards to manufacturing companies. They pay GST and everything they buy, all of the raw materials that go into making the finished products then yes they do collect GST on the finished products that are sold to distributers, retailers, etc. They remit the difference of what is collected versus paid out, assuming the finished products are sold for more than the sum of the components that went into making them.

Second, the Free trade agreement allows companies to move goods and services across the boarder without paying a dime in tarrifs and taxes, hence huge profits. It also removed all trade barriers that protected home grown CANADIAN OWNED companies from the flood of cheap labor and capital.

And you don't think the US corporations are also screaming about jobs leaving the US for Canada, just look at the softwood lumber dispute that has been ongoing.

When it comes to fair taxation especially, I want you think about this - over 90% of the tax revenue collected by revenue canada is from indivudual tax payers and not corporations. Just think about it, where is the fairness in the tax system? Why doesn't the governement replace the current tax system with something more fair across the board. It can not.

The GST, a consumption tax, came in to replace the old "manufacturers tax" which was a completely hidden tax. It was applied at the manufacturing level and just became a part of the base price of an item, then the typical mark-ups were added for distributers, retails, etc. In a free trade economy we couldn't compete with the old manufacturers tax in place as our goods would have a higher starting price than the same US goods. And being a consumption tax, everyone pays according to how much they consume or buy.

While the governement has emense power over the individual, it has zero power over the corporations as they can easily move show over night. As you see, our politicicans and the current governing system is pratically a burden for the average tax payer while it benefits the corporations thru the transfer of wealth... Open you eyes and see things for what they are, and by the end of the day, your pathetic vote does not amout to a dime!

Campanies are in busy to make money; if they don't they won't be around very long. They make money for their shareholders and they provide jobs. Any company will locate where they can make money and where the environment is better for the company overall, tax incentives to locate in a particular area, access to raw materials required by the company, access to a skilled workforce or just a stable workforce depending on level of skills required by the workers. So if we make it too hostile of an environment for a company they will locate elsewhere, thus taking the jobs with them.

tglover,

You have missed the big picture. The issue here is fair taxation and the consequences of GST. It is not my sole opinion that by enlarge, corporations do not pay their FARE share of taxes. and on top of that, the free trade agreement has given them a much bigger leverage in avoiding taxes just by moving goods and captial around. No government today, be it from the left or the right, can in reality, reform the the tax code to reduce the tax burden from the individual tax payer. Simply put, canada has surrender its soverign right to assess its own tax law in any shape or form. and that is the tragedy here and no matter who we vote into the office, they have very little muscle in shaping the future of this country.

[curious]

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hi yu i wonder what shakespeare would have said have a good evening sweet prince what air the morrow shall bring not so Curious

[pusherman]

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I guess the country is like those girls who cant appreciate a good guy and want to be treated like dirt once in a while. I mean Canadians have had too much good times financially and socially so now they want to run a defict again and have some rights taken away.......

[crisis]

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I'm not a Canadian but you've got a great country, don't let the narrow-minded, Capitalistic mentality take over your country. It will slowly(maybe not so slowly) grow into an ugly Bush.

[Karen]

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I have read the different viewpoints from some readers in this forum topic and while I admire those who have contributed their ideas, I am not very comfortable with the name-calling some people have lodged towards each other. I just thought that name-calling should have no place in a civil political discourse but only ideas backed up with facts to prove or disprove why one is not better than the other. One of the great things about this country that I have called my new home is that people can present and defend their ideas and peacefully co-exist - without the danger of loosing a limb or their life and yet get respected for what they believe in.

From the outside, we have to realize how good Canada is as a country and how have we established our reputation as a caring people throughout the world. All these we got from those great political leaders who passionately and honestly presented and defended their ideas and established the social programs and an economy dreamed by almost everyone in the world, the likes of Lester Pearson, Tommy Douglas and Pierre Trudeau.

Canada is still far from perfect and while there could be no such thing as a perfect country, it is a fact that we are a lot better than most countries in the world. To prove that, we don’t have to look far to see how good and how respected we are, how the countries in the world look up to Canada when issues of international concern occur and affect beyond our national borders or the borders of other nations. One of the things that were not fully debated in this election is foreign policy but it's sad that this part is always put in the backburners during elections.

But for one thing, some of the programs and legislations that have been passed in Parliament are at stake in this election, issues that have come of national importance to women, minority groups and the economically disadvantaged. While the Liberals have not been perfect as a government, the good thing about them is they acknowledged they made a mistake and the investigations are still ongoing. And for those who cannot stomach the Liberals, there is a viable third option untainted by scandals yet proven to be very effective in the delivery of their promises to ordinary people. I know, “strategic voting” could be crucial in the outcome of today’s election but with the predicted Conservative/Reform minority government, the number of seats that could be gained by the NDP will hopefully be good enough to rein and balance the governing power. This scenario is a lot better than an outright Conservative/Reform majority.

I just thought right wing agenda should be reined in if not totally controlled or eradicated. Had Harper had his way, we could have been in Iraq right now initially to look for those so-called weapons of mass destruction that some Americans still believe is hidden somewhere. (I know this sounds ridiculous but in spite of the advancement of technology and mass communications, there are still some core Republican/neo-conservative supporters who believe so and who thought Saddam Hussein had a role in the 9-11 tragedy.) If Harper will have his way as a result of today’s elections, the southern neo-cons will be trumpeting and rejoicing his victory and I’m sure Bush and his ilk will be rushing to call and congratulate him.

I am not that well-verse in defining the different programs of each of these political parties but all I realize during my stint as a Bay Street accountant (back in the old days) is that corporations are already taken cared more than enough by the Federal and Provincial Liberal and Conservative governments alike and the poor and the disadvantaged are as always left in the cold. Corporations and big businesses are already wining and dining almost for free and big banks are still parading who gets most of the billions of dollars at the end of their fiscal years. I know some will be asking about the Ontario NDP during their reign but we have to realize that Bob Rae came into power when recession caused by Mulroney/Reagan/Bush tandems (dubbed Reaganomics) was cropping up. Or look elsewhere in the country and see how have the provincial NDP governments fared compared to their Liberal and Conservative counterparts although I am not saying that the NDP will be winning to form a government today. I wish.

But that the NDP should be given the chance to get our support if that is where some of you are leaning towards.

Well, I’m sure tonight will be a long night with the so many three-way fights happening in BC. And yeah, that one seat in Alberta (Edmonton-Strathcona) that could probably go NDP, too. Imagine the entire Ralph Klein country going all blue with just one orange blot caused by this great woman environmentalist?

Well, guys, politics do excite me so it would be great to be discussing with you these matters one of these days when we could get the chance to get together and maybe some wine that goes with it.

But for God’s sake, go out and vote TODAY!

Karen

[Rick6]

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from Dallon January 22nd, 2006


I am afraid it is your mother and her mother that had been prostituized in this reched land of shitty weather. And just like them it will be you daughter and her daughter that will be sucking dick to make ends meet.As for my soul, it is whitter than the snow you worship. Money? I have made more of it by accident than your trashy great generations combined. It is you who lack the senses to see the filth your swimming in, I just call it what it is. I feel sorry for you that your own greed has blinded you to notice that the misery you call Canada has done nothing for you or your fore fathers excepts inslave them in perpetual servtiude. Go on and enjoy what you know and I certainly don't want to be the to let you know that, yes, other do live better than you will ever know. Adieu my retarded friend!
Need I say anything else?

[curious]

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hi yu need you say anything else not really because who really wants to hear such negative dribble.not the least bit Curious

[ShelbyWylde]

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Its a sad day for each and every Canadian, for everything Canadiana, and a huge step back for everything Canada has every stood for.
The Devil has come again.
Never have so many turned a blind eye to history.
God help us all and those too blind to see Satan rising yet again in this country.
Shelby

[curious]

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hi yu, i am assuming you mean the conservatives, well this in my opinion is the best system of government ever invented,for you to say the devil has returned well yes, read your history you'l find out that it's the people of the party that screw up not the party, i personally think being a conservative has it's very good side. Curious

[Knob Gobbler]

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So what will get cut down first? GST or Gay rights?