Dita and Tainted Highschool Pretty Boy

[Raging Bob]

People who live in glass houses...yadda, yadda, yadda......

it's amazing this conversation is happening in this forum of all places...Wow!

[Dita Dior]

Very hot Dita. I am one such kind of guy. I wish some girl like you would "trick" me too.

I wouldn't even know where to find a T-girl in my city so I am seriously deprived.

What city do you live in boo hehe

[Dita Dior]

We all started somewhere...



An opinion cannot be wrong. It is YOUR opinion afterall. But you can have a good or bad opinion.

I don't like how my girl singled out Admin, but she is right in my eyes of her opinon on transexual to crossdresser.

Just dishin' the truth.

That's what I was trying to explain but I got mis construded. Don't ban me off here before explaining myself, just trying to explain what I ment.

[Adventure Time]

From the threads I've read I can see why Dita gets mistaken for a CD. Just from the way shecarries herself and sounds. But hey, who am I to judge.

[Dita Dior]

From the threads I've read I can see why Dita gets mistaken for a CD. Just from the way shecarries herself and sounds. But hey, who am I to judge.

Baby they can call me a CD all they want, the majority are just trying to stir up problems, cant mind their own buisness, jealousy, or hatrid.
If it lets them sleep at night, then they can call me their mommy their grandma, or their girlfriend I don't care. I know who I am and I am not here to impress anyone or change anyones opinons. I am here to be myself and state my own, the same as everyone else has stated their opinons on me.

[Rockheart]

Of course I am serious, I wouldn't post something on here unless I say its a joke or I explain myself. But when I say something as a opinon or how I feel (which I think is the same thing) it isnt me fooling around its me taking it seriously.

But on a side note really? I didn't know hemaphrodites couldnt get pregnant I thought they could. I learned something today.

I got expelled from highschool because of discrimintaton they did everythnig in their power to get me kicked out . When I was supposably gay I posted a youtube video of my 6 year old brother becuase he wanted me to put make up on him and I called him Becky, it got back to the school and the principal said that I was trying to change my brothers sexuality. They put me in a cousniler for sexual diviancy.. yeah thats how fucking immature and stupid these basterds were to me. Then I got jumped by 15 people ( suprisingly my close friends) from not accepting my sexuality and then I got expelled becuase I was a disturbance in the school, and they told me that they didnt want my kind there.
On the most lovely part of this is, when I went back to PEI from Montreal that basterd that expelled me is now one of the head of the school board..



If only I was there to trick you my love.

i havent ruined anything, and whatever.
its not my fault, i get what i want. even if i have to do something wrong to do so.
i deleted the screenshot for his safety even though i already did so by blurring things out.
i lured him yes, but any girl would do the same if they wanted someone correct? i was just using my first insticnt.
even if i told him at first he probably still would be chasing after me.

I don't like how my girl singled out Admin, but she is right in my eyes of her opinon on transexual to crossdresser.

Just dishin' the truth.

That's what I was trying to explain but I got mis construded. Don't ban me off here before explaining myself, just trying to explain what I ment.

Dita if you were a victim of discrimination then you should shut the fuck up.
You are not making any sense by claiming discrimination on one hand then calling down other groups yourself.
(Some of these groups you fall into whether you like it or not)

You will not get banned for you views but no one is going to protect you from the people that don't like your views.
Attack away, as far as I am concerned, no one will protect you here.

You are not dishing the truth you are dishing Bullshit that is not true and has no truth in it at all.

Megan is the biggest hypocrite of all.
Her views are so fucked up, that is why she doesn't post here anymore,
because all she can do is insult and laugh at people she thinks are not as good as her.

She lived as a crossdresser for years.You know she wasn't living full time then and wasn't even considering herself a transsexual at that time.
Suddenly she is the source of all transsexual, give me a break.
I didn't even have to watch the video because I know exactly what it says.
How crossdresser are bringing you all down is a psychosis you all have not a reality.
It is just a superiority complex, not a real problem. (maybe a cashflow problem)

Here is a good example,
Dita your so called good friend Samara was a self professed crossdresser.
She did not hide this from anyone.
You were all upset when she passed away now you spit on her grave, I think.

She was also my friend and I take offense at your BS attitude.
The last posting Megan had here was to attack Samara and her post about another tgirl whom was thought to be a CD by others.
When she was scolded for attacking others for no reason, she had a big hissy fit.

Dita is many respects you are a crossdresser, you have to admit that.
You may have decided that you are TS but only in your head.
You have not gone to any doctors about your transgender dysphoria, that I can see.

You tgirls that go buy illegal hormones and suddenly think they are the only true TS,
are the real disgraces to Transsexualism.

Transgender people have enough discrimination without their own kind turning on them.
You have no fucking idea what is in anyones head and neither does Megan.
You only know what is in your own head. (that I even question)

Using Megan or other people as an excuse for your hate, is just wrong.
You are obviously influenced by all the other tgirls and have no original thoughts of your own.

The issue bother you and Megan and other has nothing to do with Transsexualism at all.

It has to do with the extra escort competition you are trying to shame.
Say it like it is, say you are scared of the competition.
Say that you feel that they are under cutting you and causing you less business.
That is what it really is.

Anyone that cannot accept crossdressers or others that identify as transgenders, you are a weak human being.

Crossdressers were around before TS and are not there to make TS look bad.
When I was a teen ager I put on womens panties got turned on and jerked off, at no time was I looking down on TS.
I was just horny and it felt good end of story.

I have no reason to keep quiet on this anymore and don't care what any of you think of me because I know I am morally right.
You are all basing your bigotry on your personal feelings and not considering anyone else.

If you are going to dish it out here, I am going to tell you what I think of your crap.
Expect more of it.

I have nothing to gain by being quiet anymore and everything to gain by speaking up.
I am for people, all people.
From now on all you rednecks will hear exactly how I feel about you.
I really dont' care how anyone feels about me anymore because I know I am a good person who gives everyone a chance.
I've reached out and helped people all with mostly nothing in return, so fuck it.

This crap about deceiving guys and luring them in is something SOME women do to get their way.
However this a small group of women that have no scruples. To say it ok because women do it is bullshit.
If you wouldn't want it done to you then don't do it to others.
This goes for your bullshit discrimination.

[Rockheart]

Baby they can call me a CD all they want, the majority are just trying to stir up problems, cant mind their own buisness, jealousy, or hatrid.
If it lets them sleep at night, then they can call me their mommy their grandma, or their girlfriend I don't care. I know who I am and I am not here to impress anyone or change anyones opinons. I am here to be myself and state my own, the same as everyone else has stated their opinons on me.

You are not stating your own opinion.
You are just repeating this bullshit TS superiority complex that some of the other girls have.

You can be called a CD with all rights, if you don't like it too bad.
It is up to personal interpretation and you are obviously early in your transition.
If you can spew your hateful bullshit, other should be able to call you whatever they want.
Just stop taking such offense to it.

[Modulus]

a fucking hermathodite YUCK

true, i just hate crossdressers i think the majority of them are ugly pieces of ___ and i just believe that they give transexuals a bad name.

Baby they can call me a CD all they want, the majority are just trying to stir up problems, cant mind their own buisness, jealousy, or hatrid.

By your way of thinking, if people who put others down are just jealous, trying to stir up problems, hate or just can't make up their minds; then why do you do it? Who gave you the right to judge people the way you do?

Hate breeds Hate and I don't understand you. You ccndone people for their actions and words, yet you do the same. Lead by example.

[Dita Dior]

Dita if you were a victim of discrimination then you should shut the fuck up.
You are not making any sense by claiming discrimination on one hand then calling down other groups yourself.
(Some of these groups you fall into whether you like it or not)

You will not get banned for you views but no one is going to protect you from the people that don't like your views.
Attack away, as far as I am concerned, no one will protect you here.

You are not dishing the truth you are dishing Bullshit that is not true and has no truth in it at all.

Megan is the biggest hypocrite of all.
Her views are so fucked up, that is why she doesn't post here anymore,
because all she can do is insult and laugh at people she thinks are not as good as her.

She lived as a crossdresser for years.You know she wasn't living full time then and wasn't even considering herself a transsexual at that time.
Suddenly she is the source of all transsexual, give me a break.
I didn't even have to watch the video because I know exactly what it says.
How crossdresser are bringing you all down is a psychosis you all have not a reality.
It is just a superiority complex, not a real problem. (maybe a cashflow problem)

Here is a good example,
Dita your so called good friend Samara was a self professed crossdresser.
She did not hide this from anyone.
You were all upset when she passed away now you spit on her grave, I think.

She was also my friend and I take offense at your BS attitude.
The last posting Megan had here was to attack Samara and her post about another tgirl whom was thought to be a CD by others.
When she was scolded for attacking others for no reason, she had a big hissy fit.

Dita is many respects you are a crossdresser, you have to admit that.
You may have decided that you are TS but only in your head.
You have not gone to any doctors about your transgender dysphoria, that I can see.

You tgirls that go buy illegal hormones and suddenly think they are the only true TS,
are the real disgraces to Transsexualism.

Transgender people have enough discrimination without their own kind turning on them.
You have no fucking idea what is in anyones head and neither does Megan.
You only know what is in your own head. (that I even question)

Using Megan or other people as an excuse for your hate, is just wrong.
You are obviously influenced by all the other tgirls and have no original thoughts of your own.

The issue bother you and Megan and other has nothing to do with Transsexualism at all.

It has to do with the extra escort competition you are trying to shame.
Say it like it is, say you are scared of the competition.
Say that you feel that they are under cutting you and causing you less business.
That is what it really is.

Anyone that cannot accept crossdressers or others that identify as transgenders, you are a weak human being.

Crossdressers were around before TS and are not there to make TS look bad.
When I was a teen ager I put on womens panties got turned on and jerked off, at no time was I looking down on TS.
I was just horny and it felt good end of story.

I have no reason to keep quiet on this anymore and don't care what any of you think of me because I know I am morally right.
You are all basing your bigotry on your personal feelings and not considering anyone else.

If you are going to dish it out here, I am going to tell you what I think of your crap.
Expect more of it.

I have nothing to gain by being quiet anymore and everything to gain by speaking up.
I am for people, all people.
From now on all you rednecks will hear exactly how I feel about you.
I really dont' care how anyone feels about me anymore because I know I am a good person who gives everyone a chance.
I've reached out and helped people all with mostly nothing in return, so fuck it.

This crap about deceiving guys and luring them in is something SOME women do to get their way.
However this a small group of women that have no scruples. To say it ok because women do it is bullshit.
If you wouldn't want it done to you then don't do it to others.
This goes for your bullshit discrimination.

Samara wasn't a crossdresser, she was transexual. She just couldn't be herself from her families views. And I know when Meagane attacked Samara and got kicked off because of her, Meagane told me. I understand her views, because her views are the same as mine. Samara was on and off hormones, but because of her family's views and finding out she couldn't be the woman she was ment to be.

Thats your opinon on calling me CD Crag, and I respect your view. But Iknow in my heart who I am. I am not a dirty piece of shit that I self proclame myself to be. I have always wanted to be a woman because that is who I am. I cry in the morning because I don't see what I want, I haven't been happy for the past 17 years because of the lack of my transition and knowing who I am but still finding myself. Do you know how hard it is for me to be myself and then have peopel trash me ? Really I don't think you do. I'm a little girl that dreams to have a condo in the city center, wake up in the morning next to my boyfriend/husband/lover, have a adopted kid and a dog and go to my regular day time job and know that I have my family, friends and my boy that love me. Thats all I want, but I can't have it because I am not happy with myself.

I use coke because of a scapegoat to use as happiness because I am not happy within. When I started my illegal hormones I was the happiest person in the world, I called Shyla up at the middle of the night and told her and she can be the refference from hearing the happiness and the joy in my voice.

I'm not in this industry to get my addiction subsitded, I am here to get my transition leave this cruwel world and be happy and finally be normal.
How do you think I feel when I have to tell someone i'm transexual, I feel fucking dirty. Becuase I know I am a woman, I don't want my dick I hate it, I hate, I hate I was born this way.

And because you calling me a crossdresser, it is your opinon but please note that I want to be someone to, and I have dreams hopes and desires and yes my life is a train wreck right now. But I am trying to fix it, and with people giving me negative support and critisism it doesn't help me get anywhere further in where or who I want to be.

I've been living for 18 years searching for happiness because in the past I can't see any big memory of happiness, and I am starting to finally see the light.
God, I remember every year for my birthday I cried and cried and wanted to die because I hated the day I came on this earth becuase I came on this earth as a woman trapped in a pretty boys body. I just want to be happy, and everyone needs to understand that I am doing it the way I can.

If that means I look like the trashiest sluttiest dirty little whore that I have to make myself seem to be then I will do it because I know in the end I will be happy ,and I will have my family and the one who loves me by my side.

Recently Paris getting her SRS, I was so happy but I was so jealous because she has what I want now, and I would cut off both of my legs and get plastic ones for what she has. Same as when Valarie got her boobs, I didn tleave my room in Missisauga for a day because I was jealous because she got them before me, and now Mercedez is getting her boobs.

Thats why I am getting on with my tour and getting my breast implant money, and my goal is to get off coke, have my boobs by march. Because I am sick of looking in the mirror and being sad. And being invious of other people when I know I can do it and that I don't need to be jealous of anyone. And I should be fucking proud of myself for who I am and how far I have come and if anyone wants to put me down on the way go for it, its just making me stronger.

So please call me a CD, I've been contronting yes, but you should see the smile in my head when you say it because I know you are not understanding who I am, and where I have came from and what I want in life, so that is why my happiness glows from my small little tight body.

[Shyla Wild]

I called Shyla up at the middle of the night and told her and she can be the refference from hearing the happiness and the joy in my voice.

Dita, we are not we are not being hard on you for your views about yourself. It is your view of others that is very disturbing.

Like I have said to you many months ago, see a doctor, or a Psych. But you never did. You decided to get your hormones elsewhere. Yes I understand that you were excited, but at times I have looked at you and wondered if this is really what you want or if you are searching for acceptance. At 17-19 it is very hard to know what we want. I am sure many members who are older then you will confirm this. A doctor would have been the right road to take. I do not judge you for this, just remember that the TS community has the HIGHEST rate of suicide. This is why I wanted you to see a doctor before you made decisions that you may regret.

[Dita Dior]

Dita, we are not we are not being hard on you for your views about yourself. It is your view of others that is very disturbing.

Like I have said to you many months ago, see a doctor, or a Psych. But you never did. You decided to get your hormones elsewhere. Yes I understand that you were excited, but at times I have looked at you and wondered if this is really what you want or if you are searching for acceptance. At 17-19 it is very hard to know what we want. I am sure many members who are older then you will confirm this. A doctor would have been the right road to take. I do not judge you for this, just remember that the TS community has the HIGHEST rate of suicide. This is why I wanted you to see a doctor before you made decisions that you may regret.

I didn't want to say to anyone because it's not their buisness but why do you think I moved to GTA, no doctor for me in Ottawa. And I can't live in Montreal from lack of french. I have gone to see a doctor for one appointment so far, and me and my mom are looking for more resources. Why do you think my mom was trying to put me on DR.PHIL, so she could get me the right help I needed for my transition. Because she is worried about me and loves me, and she wants to see me happy and will do anything she can for it.

I will be staying on my illegal injection of Perludle because it does wonders and fast results and my andocure, but I am currently in the process to getting prescribed. Shyla I did listen to you even though I kind of tuned you out most of the time, but I realised after talkign with my mom and her doctor in PEI that you, her and also Lola were all correct on your suggestions and advice you have given me along the way. I just have to stop being so stupid and let people in .

But I am getting the right help I need, but as for help I think rehab is going to end up being the next step so if you randomly see me not updated for a while or such. Realise i'm doing what is right.

[Rockheart]

Samara wasn't a crossdresser, she was transexual. She just couldn't be herself from her families views. And I know when Meagane attacked Samara and got kicked off because of her, Meagane told me. I understand her views, because her views are the same as mine. Samara was on and off hormones, but because of her family's views and finding out she couldn't be the woman she was ment to be.

Thats your opinon on calling me CD Crag, and I respect your view. But Iknow in my heart who I am. I am not a dirty piece of shit that I self proclame myself to be. I have always wanted to be a woman because that is who I am. I cry in the morning because I don't see what I want, I haven't been happy for the past 17 years because of the lack of my transition and knowing who I am but still finding myself. Do you know how hard it is for me to be myself and then have peopel trash me ? Really I don't think you do. I'm a little girl that dreams to have a condo in the city center, wake up in the morning next to my boyfriend/husband/lover, have a adopted kid and a dog and go to my regular day time job and know that I have my family, friends and my boy that love me. Thats all I want, but I can't have it because I am not happy with myself.

I use coke because of a scapegoat to use as happiness because I am not happy within. When I started my illegal hormones I was the happiest person in the world, I called Shyla up at the middle of the night and told her and she can be the refference from hearing the happiness and the joy in my voice.

I'm not in this industry to get my addiction subsitded, I am here to get my transition leave this cruwel world and be happy and finally be normal.
How do you think I feel when I have to tell someone i'm transexual, I feel fucking dirty. Becuase I know I am a woman, I don't want my dick I hate it, I hate, I hate I was born this way.

And because you calling me a crossdresser, it is your opinon but please note that I want to be someone to, and I have dreams hopes and desires and yes my life is a train wreck right now. But I am trying to fix it, and with people giving me negative support and critisism it doesn't help me get anywhere further in where or who I want to be.

I've been living for 18 years searching for happiness because in the past I can't see any big memory of happiness, and I am starting to finally see the light.
God, I remember every year for my birthday I cried and cried and wanted to die because I hated the day I came on this earth becuase I came on this earth as a woman trapped in a pretty boys body. I just want to be happy, and everyone needs to understand that I am doing it the way I can.

If that means I look like the trashiest sluttiest dirty little whore that I have to make myself seem to be then I will do it because I know in the end I will be happy ,and I will have my family and the one who loves me by my side.

Recently Paris getting her SRS, I was so happy but I was so jealous because she has what I want now, and I would cut off both of my legs and get plastic ones for what she has. Same as when Valarie got her boobs, I didn tleave my room in Missisauga for a day because I was jealous because she got them before me, and now Mercedez is getting her boobs.

Thats why I am getting on with my tour and getting my breast implant money, and my goal is to get off coke, have my boobs by march. Because I am sick of looking in the mirror and being sad. And being invious of other people when I know I can do it and that I don't need to be jealous of anyone. And I should be fucking proud of myself for who I am and how far I have come and if anyone wants to put me down on the way go for it, its just making me stronger.

So please call me a CD, I've been contronting yes, but you should see the smile in my head when you say it because I know you are not understanding who I am, and where I have came from and what I want in life, so that is why my happiness glows from my small little tight body.

I am not specifically calling you a crossdresser.
You read crap into everything, maybe read what stuff really says before ranting.
I did not call specifically a CD, I said other rednecks and close minded people like you could call you one because of your transition status.
You are running around calling down crossdresser even though many crossdresser are Transsexuals,
you just don't know which ones.
Many men here say CD only meaning a shemale escort with no tits or that is just starting out.
It is not meant to be and insult, like you take it, it is meant to describe your status in a word.
Most customers couldn't give a shit whether you are a real transsexual or not.

I knew Samara for 10 years and she was never full time.
(how long did you know her)
She sometimes worked as a male escort too.
She was a crossdresser, you even said it.
She didn't fully transition due to family issues, this means she was a crossdresser.
However Crossdressers can be Transsexuals too, you just proved it.

The big issue between Transsexuals and Crossdresser you all cry about isn't that at all.
The issue is who is really and honest to goodness "Shemale Escort"
So you all say the more hormones you take and the more surgeries you have the more real "Shemale Escort" you are.
None of you have any idea who is a real transsexual, you just judge base on your twisted ideals.

This all escort posturing and nothing else.
If most of you were real Transsexuals, you would be seeing doctors and most likely have pussies by now.
If you have been a "Shemale Escort" for years and years and never made the transition fully, then you are probably not a real transsexual, you are a shemale, tranny, whatever. Basically real transsexuals do not want their cock.

I know more about real transsexuals than most of you.
I have nothing against any group but it does make me mad when you are all using transsexualism as a weapon and a status,
rather than a state or condition that is personal to each person.

Dita you really have to stop insulting people, because you cannot take it yourself.
If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I cannot even have this reasonable discussion with you because you think I am calling you names, I am not.

You wonder why I am constantly pissed of at you well this is why.
You constantly accuse me of being intolerant and calling people names.

This is not what I am doing and you are making all this up.
I am the most accepting guy towards trannies of all shapes and sizes.
I have dated pre-ops and post-ops and girls, i have seen it all.
I went with my girlfriend to her SRS surgery and support her through that.
I have met thousands of shemales, many that were true transsexuals too.

You cannot tell me anything about transsexuals I do not know.
So stop trying to tell me I am wrong and calling you names.

You and your friends are the main one's calling names here.

[Modulus]

I am not specifically calling you a crossdresser.
You read crap into everything, maybe read what stuff really says before ranting.
I did not call specifically a CD, I said other rednecks and close minded people like you could call you one because of your transition status.
You are running around calling down crossdresser even though many crossdresser are Transsexuals,
you just don't know which ones.
Many men here say CD only meaning a shemale escort with no tits or that is just starting out.
It is not meant to be and insult, like you take it, it is meant to describe your status in a word.
Most customers couldn't give a shit whether you are a real transsexual or not.

I knew Samara for 10 years and she was never full time.
(how long did you know her)
She sometimes worked as a male escort too.
She was a crossdresser, you even said it.
She didn't fully transition due to family issues, this means she was a crossdresser.
However Crossdressers can be Transsexuals too, you just proved it.

The big issue between Transsexuals and Crossdresser you all cry about isn't that at all.
The issue is who is really and honest to goodness "Shemale Escort"
So you all say the more hormones you take and the more surgeries you have the more real "Shemale Escort" you are.
None of you have any idea who is a real transsexual, you just judge base on your twisted ideals.

This all escort posturing and nothing else.
If most of you were real Transsexuals, you would be seeing doctors and most likely have pussies by now.
If you have been a "Shemale Escort" for years and years and never made the transition fully, then you are probably not a real transsexual, you are a shemale, tranny, whatever. Basically real transsexuals do not want their cock.

I know more about real transsexuals than most of you.
I have nothing against any group but it does make me mad when you are all using transsexualism as a weapon and a status,
rather than a state or condition that is personal to each person.

Dita you really have to stop insulting people, because you cannot take it yourself.
If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I cannot even have this reasonable discussion with you because you think I am calling you names, I am not.

You wonder why I am constantly pissed of at you well this is why.
You constantly accuse me of being intolerant and calling people names.

This is not what I am doing and you are making all this up.
I am the most accepting guy towards trannies of all shapes and sizes.
I have dated pre-ops and post-ops and girls, i have seen it all.
I went with my girlfriend to her SRS surgery and support her through that.
I have met thousands of shemales, many that were true transsexuals too.

You cannot tell me anything about transsexuals I do not know.
So stop trying to tell me I am wrong and calling you names.

You and your friends are the main one's calling names here.

Baby I can take the heat, hell I am the one that produces the heat and lights the flame and exentuates the fire so how could I not stay in the kitchen. HAHA.

I knew Samara for two years, that must have been back in the day as male escort, she was never full time no, but she wanted to be full time but couldn't. I remember when she was on hormones, me and her in the sam e room wasnt good. I remember we were watching Burlesque and I was wrecked out of my mind on Port (a flavoured cheap wine she introduced me to , which i love) and I didnt shut up the whole time and she wanted to kill me haha, she was like Dita! Do you ever shut up, im watching this. she was going to kill me, im laughing so hard remembering how mad she got. Hahaha. i miss her so much

[Dita Dior]

cant wait to get on to pei, first thing first pretty boy is fucking me tomorrow.

get ready for a story.
if only you seen the jerk off video i just seen, this is going to be one long plane ride.
ugghhh i hate being teased.

most of my fantasies have been fufilled but this is one that hasn't, i get everything i want and this proves it.

sit on it and spit baby, papi is going to be rubbin my clit.

[Meagan Nutwood]

Wow, this is extremely intense.

I don't know what rumors are flying around about dita - im not totally into rumors but this whole cross dressers can be transsexuals thing bothers me. In my opinion, a transsexual would never consider them self a cross dresser, ever! Yes we share similar stages in transition but, in my mind a cross dresser is simply someone who cross dresses. A transsexual in early stages is an individual seeking every possible moment to become the opposite sex to their desired degree. The term cross dresser is very degrading and not in a bad way but, more like insensitive to who the person really is. I feel it dismisses the long term goal of the individual. I feel like cross dressers, dress up for fun. I feel like transsexuals may have to flip gender roles due to their intense situation in life. I know it may be difficult to tell on the surface who is cd and who is ts but I definitely disagree with meshing the two together because I believe they a two very different types of people.

I keep hearing - we all start from somewhere. yes that may be true but we are not all going the same place.