Do you know for certain?

[Rockheart]

Well I think too much is made of the word "fool" here, especially since a tgirl said it first.
Fooled has many meanings and in our English is not necessarily offensive.

v. fooled, fool?ing, fools
v.tr. 1. To deceive or trick; dupe: "trying to learn how to fool a trout with a little bit of floating fur and feather" (Charles Kuralt).
2. To confound or prove wrong; surprise, especially pleasantly: We were sure they would fail, but they fooled us.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fooled

I would say we mean number 2

[toban]

Definitely, being "fooled" can be very, very exciting and enjoyable!

Right on Crag!

Being pleasantly surprised is why we do many things in our lives e.g. the anticipation we feel upon receiving a beautifully wrapped gift, watching a murder mystery only to be "fooled" when the murderer turns out to be the one we had never considered capable of that act, etc., etc.

The majority of those here in the forum are interested in pre-op girls and certainly know darned well that being "fooled" by a TS is what we expect and there is nothing devious about it! For heaven's sake, the majority of TS ads take care to mention the "surprise" with which we expect to be "fooled".

Well I think too much is made of the word "fool" here, especially since a tgirl said it first.
Fooled has many meanings and in our English is not necessarily offensive.

v. fooled, fool?ing, fools
v.tr. 1. To deceive or trick; dupe: "trying to learn how to fool a trout with a little bit of floating fur and feather" (Charles Kuralt).
2. To confound or prove wrong; surprise, especially pleasantly: We were sure they would fail, but they fooled us.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fooled

I would say we mean number 2

[Dita Dior]

It's up there ... lol

hahahaha.

[sunshine]

A better way to express the idea

Well I think too much is made of the word "fool" here, especially since a tgirl said it first.
Fooled has many meanings and in our English is not necessarily offensive.

v. fooled, fool?ing, fools
v.tr. 1. To deceive or trick; dupe: "trying to learn how to fool a trout with a little bit of floating fur and feather" (Charles Kuralt).
2. To confound or prove wrong; surprise, especially pleasantly: We were sure they would fail, but they fooled us.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fooled

I would say we mean number 2

I also fell on the bandwagon and used the word fool. Rantsalot addressed himself principally to the men but few have responded. Rather, many girls have jumped in. This is understandable because it is a subject of great interest to us. From a man's perspective, the question is: Do you know if you are in the company of a shemale? But, from the Tgirl's perspective, how would you describe that? I believe that's where the word "fool" came in. If a Tgirl appears to a man as a woman, she has "fooled" him. It isn't that she had any evil intention or that she wants to gain some advantage, it is that the man was not able to tell that she was something other than a genetic woman. The illusion was successful. Perhaps avoiding the word "fooled" would be better. Perhaps I could say that a tgirl has presented the elements of a convinsing illusion or she has not. But this does not really address Rantsalot's topic. The topic is: Can a man tell the difference?

My main point was to say that differences exist and it is a matter of how closely you look that will determine whether you can tell or not. The pelvis is an area that cannot be changed through surgery. As Toban points out, the male pelvis is not configured the same as the female version. The biggest visible difference is the angle of the structure. Some Tgirls resort to injections and implants to change the shape of the buttocks but this does not change the underlying pelvic structure. If you have a look at some drawings of the male and female pelvic structures, you will find that the angle is different. I am referring to the angle of the opening at the bottom of the basin in relation to the vertical plane. It is in this opening that you find the anus and sexual aperture. The bigger angle of the female pelvis is the reason the buttocks look different than the male version. The other difference is the relative width of the structure; wider in females, narrower in males. This also impacts the shape of the buttocks. The thigh muscles also appear different because their points of attachment to the skeleton are in different places. Of all the differences between the sexes, the pelvic structure is the most outwardly visible. Once you visualize this difference, you will have a far greater success ratio in identifying Tgirls.

And Toban has just said what I think is on the mind of most men. There are those who want to be "fooled". These are the shemale fans who may seek out the company of a Tgirl. It is perhaps the confluence of a convincing illusion and the subsequent revelation which is most exciting to a man. Of course, I think a Tgirl should never withhold vital information about herself in a situation where this might cause someone to be uncomfortable.

I enjoyed posting on this thread. I think it is a subject of great interest to most Tgirls. It is not surprising that jealousy pops up its ugly head during this discussion. I have often wondered what happens in the case of hermaphrodites but I have not done any research in this direction. And what about intersex people? What happens to the configuration then? I've also wondered if there is such a thing as a female configuration with male sexual organs. Does this ever happen?

I'd like to hear more from the men. What do they think about all this?

Sunshine

[Rantsalot]

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I'll share my answer to the proposed question as it really is just a basic statement to a topic that should've also just been taken at face value without all this over analyzing coming into play.

5 years ago it was hard for me to tell who a t girl was and years later I can easily tell. If I come across someone who has disproved me, fine, I don't get excited nor do I get insanely sexually aroused, quite the contrary, rather I just say a polite hello and how are you and just treat that person as I would everyone else.

i.e

Rantsalot: Hello
T girl: Hello
Rantsalot: Care for a drink?
T Girl: Oh that's nice but you don't mind if I tell you something?
Rantsalot: What's that?
T Girl: I have something extra unlike other girls.
Rantsalot: Oh? You're a T Girl? Thats nice. So, do you like to watch sports?

I guess for some men and women when seeing the reaction when the truth come out is thrilling, meh .... I just say live and let live.

[LOLA_]

I wish every guy is nice and understand like you Ransolat.

Rantsalot: Hello
T girl: Hello
Rantsalot: Care for a drink?
T Girl: Oh that's nice but you don't mind if I tell you something?
Rantsalot: What's that?
T Girl: I have something extra unlike other girls.
Rantsalot: Oh? You're a T Girl? Thats nice. So, do you like to watch sports?

I guess for some men and women when seeing the reaction when the truth come out is thrilling, meh .... I just say live and let live.

[maddplotter]

Check one box please

So this morning, I went to the Scarborough Town Center for a free flu shot. Cheers for our Canadian medicare system! On the form, I noticed that you could tick (1) Male (2) Female (3) Transgender (4) Other. Wow, the times they are a changing.

[Dita Dior]

So this morning, I went to the Scarborough Town Center for a free flu shot. Cheers for our Canadian medicare system! On the form, I noticed that you could tick (1) Male (2) Female (3) Transgender (4) Other. Wow, the times they are a changing.

thats beautiful

[Rantsalot]

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Ok. Looking back on this thread things were going well and men and women were stating their ideas then somewhere along the way this thread spewed into a tangent and took a different course. Some replies got removed and the latter part of this subject isn't making sense.

Ok no matter.

Best course of action just forget about any posts that may have brought about any tension and we move on , that is, if people wish to add more to this. I think that the more thats taken away from the thread the more it'll make even less sense.

So here we are ....clean slate. Anybody else have something to say before this thread goes away? Say so if not then no problem.

[alyssa1]

not the question

Since some girls seem to have negative comments and think about hurting others on here.im closing this thread. One more reason why i stay clear of the community. I consider myself an intelligent transgendered woman and i am not here on this planet to hurt others. i will not mention any names but shame!! i will have no part of this hateful community after my surgery. case closed