Working in Alberta

[sunshine]

As many of you might know, there safe places to work and there places that are not as safe. Many cities in Alberta have escort bylaws in place which control the activities of escorts. The bylaws differ in detail but they all have a common feature. If you do not have an escort license or you break the rules stipulated in the bylaw, you are subject to stiff fines. As well, if there are illegal activities are involved, the police may get involved and charges may be laid. A far as I know, Edmonton, Calgary, Medicine Hat, Lethbridge, and Grande Prairie and Red Deer have escort bylaws.

I'm not saying that girls will get busted or fined for sure if they go to these cities and work without a license. I'm saying there is a risk of fines or arrest that is greater than in unregulated cities. Recently, several girls received stiff fines in Edmonton. I myself was called out recently to an outcall which was really a sting operation in Calgary. Of course, I have a license and, after checking my paprework, I was sent home without any problem.

There have been some rumours about me calling the cops on other girls. I don't do things like that. I don't care too much what other girls do or don't do. I believe in live and let live. The point I want to make is that there is a risk in girls working in Alberta locations without a license. If you get a fine or you get arrested, it is probably because you caught the attention of an inspector or you got caught in a sting. It is very unlikely that it is someone who sent the police to get you.

I speak with the Calgary City Inspectors regularly. It is part of the responsibility of having a license that you agree to show them your paperwork, inspect your office, answer any questions, etc. I often hear about recent activity during these visits. I don't always hear, but I often do. Of course, I only hear about it afterwards. What alarms me is the severity of the "sweeps" that are conducted. The sting operations may not happen everyday but when they happen, it is a pretty big deal.

Be careful in Alberta girls. Take precautions and screen your clients well. Do not discuss "incalls" unless you know that you are talking to a real client. If you can't confirm that this is a real client, be on your guard.

I notice lately that many girls are posting "incall" on their ads. This is likely to attract the attention of the City Inspectors. You may get away with it but it may be the thing that puts your name on a list. You don't want your name on a list like that, girls.

Recently, I posted my little cumshot video on my shemalecanada profile. I got a call from the inspector about it. Apparently, the bylaw stipulates that I cannot have sexually explicit material in my advertisements. My site is clean so I wasn't worried. But now I know they check shemalecanada too. I'm going to take my video down from there. No mention of this forum so I don't think they know about this place.

I wish you the very best, girls. If I can help you, let me know. It is always my pleasure to help a sister.

Sunshine

[sunshine]

An explanation

Of course I do incalls. If I didn't do incalls, I would hardly ever get any clients. I am happy to do outcalls but many clients are unwilling to go through the expense of renting a hotel room and they cannot entertain at home. All the visiting Tgirls offer incalls so I have to offer it as well. But I have to be careful about it because I work in Calgary. When a prospective client calls and starts the conversation with the question: "Do you do incalls?" I sometimes need to pull the reigns back. This is a very indiscreet question to ask someone in Calgary. If I do not immediately answer the question or if I say let me call you right back, or if I ask the person a few questions, it is because I am protecting myself. How do I know who I am talking with?

I also do not give out my address right away for the same reason. I have a fairly elaborate way to get clients to my place. I do this to weed out players and to create a last minute opportunity to pull the plug when the person turns out to be an inspector or LE.

I know these things may not be very popular with clients who have become habituated by risk-taking visiting Tgirls who give out their address without concern. But, whether a client likes it or not, I will protect myself. My clients know that, if they follow my rules, the visit is worth the trouble.

Some clients refuse to follow my rules. Their loss. My safety comes first.

Sunshine

[Alexis]

Working as a prostitute..

That's lame..

Until such a time as I can legitimately claim my income legaly there's no way in hell I'd pay for a license..

My guess is you can get off by stating you're a prositute not an escort..

Prostitution is legal in Canada in every province. You cannot be arrested for prostitution or prosecuted in any way.

Funds you get from prostitution cannot be claimed on your income tax return.

I suppose you could put it in the gift column if you wanted to which is 100% non taxable..

It doesn't count for shit tho to a bank or anyone else..

Until the laws change.. I don't need a license in Canada cuz they cannot collect on the fines in court..

Just a way that those particular provinces are harassing girls and taking their money..

Threatening to give you a hard time if you don't give them money..

Sound like pimps to me..

Fuckers..

[sunshine]

Actually...

I'm not suggesting that everybody should run out and get a license. To get a license, you need to have an office, you need to pay taxes and then you have to be at the beck and call of the inspectors. It is expensive and it is bureaucratic. Many girls do not want to get a license so you are not alone. I just decided that I wanted to be able to work without worrying about it. I started with a license in Calgary, then I got my own Agency license so I could be independant. Now I have a license in Edmonton as well.

But, if I can correct you on a couple of points. If the city can prove that you have an escort website, that you advertise in the escort sites, if the wording of your site or your ads can be construed as the words an escort would use, such as companion, money for time spent or any variation which can be associated with escorting, then the city has every right to fine you and can certainly get payment from you through the courts.

They can do that because "escort" is a senior principle to "prostitution". In other words, you can be an escort and a prostitute or you can be an escort and not be a prostitute. The city cannot say a word about prostitution because that is a federal matter. But they have jurisdiction over escorting.

Also, prostitution may be legal but "incalls" are illegal. It is not usually enforced on escorts, being mainly aimed at brothels. But in a city that has an escort bylaw, the police may be asked to enforce the "incall" laws as an additional way to control the girls.

You are absolutely right when you say that this is just a way for them to put their nose in your business and try and control you. But that doesn't mean you can ignore it. If the city goes through the trouble of passing a bylaw, it's because they want these controls in place. You just don't see that in Ontario. It is the more conservative provinces that do it. Alberta is conservative.

Sunshine

[Shyla Wild]

That's lame..

Until such a time as I can legitimately claim my income legaly there's no way in hell I'd pay for a license..

I declare my income...I am registered as an adult entertainer. I opened my own company under a Quebec INC. here in Quebec.

My guess is you can get off by stating you're a prositute not an escort..

Hooker, whore, prosititute, escort, call girl, street walker, etc. It's not the name that is illegal, it's the act. All of them (us) break the law in the sameway.

Prostitution is legal in Canada in every province. You cannot be arrested for prostitution or prosecuted in any way.

Careful with this one. Prostitution is legal, but everything else involved with it is. Do you work from your home? Welcome to the bawdy house rule. The only province in which it is "legal" is Ontario and even that is under appeal.

Here is the criminal code concerning this:

The Criminal Code of Canada makes unlawful the following: ^[6]

• owning, managing, leasing, occupying, or being found in a bawdy house, as defined in Section 197 (Section 210) declared invalid by the Ontario Superior Court - under appeal
• transporting anyone to a bawdy house (Section 211)
• procuring or living on the avails of prostitution anyone (Section 212)declared invalid by the Ontario Superior Court - under appeal
• paying for sex with anyone under the age of 18 (Section 212[4])
• communication in a public place for the purposes of prostitution (Section 213)declared invalid by the Ontario Superior Court - under appeal
• and transporting someone (Section 279). This does not specify for any particular purpose, such as sexual exploitation

As you can see, prostitution maybe legal, but you will get nailed from everything else.

Funds you get from prostitution cannot be claimed on your income tax return.

I suppose you could put it in the gift column if you wanted to which is 100% non taxable..

False. I declare income, write off everything from Internet, phone, travel expenses, bar tabs, restaurant bills, etc. Get an accountant girl. He will set this up for you. Or some of my Italian friends would show you the value of a front.

It doesn't count for shit tho to a bank or anyone else..

This is also false. You can deposit anything you want. If you pay taxes on it. Therefore you cannot deposit more then you declare. Hence if declare zero, you can deposit zero. Otherwise you risk an audit and back taxes. Remember, not paying taxes is considered Tax Evasion. We all use social services, therefore we all have to pay.

I'm not suggesting that everybody should run out and get a license. To get a license, you need to have an office, you need to pay taxes and then you have to be at the beck and call of the inspectors. It is expensive and it is bureaucratic. Many girls do not want to get a license so you are not alone. I just decided that I wanted to be able to work without worrying about it. I started with a license in Calgary, then I got my own Agency license so I could be independant. Now I have a license in Edmonton as well.

But, if I can correct you on a couple of points. If the city can prove that you have an escort website, that you advertise in the escort sites, if the wording of your site or your ads can be construed as the words an escort would use, such as companion, money for time spent or any variation which can be associated with escorting, then the city has every right to fine you and can certainly get payment from you through the courts.

They can do that because "escort" is a senior principle to "prostitution". In other words, you can be an escort and a prostitute or you can be an escort and not be a prostitute. The city cannot say a word about prostitution because that is a federal matter. But they have jurisdiction over escorting.

Also, prostitution may be legal but "incalls" are illegal. It is not usually enforced on escorts, being mainly aimed at brothels. But in a city that has an escort bylaw, the police may be asked to enforce the "incall" laws as an additional way to control the girls.

You are absolutely right when you say that this is just a way for them to put their nose in your business and try and control you. But that doesn't mean you can ignore it. If the city goes through the trouble of passing a bylaw, it's because they want these controls in place. You just don't see that in Ontario. It is the more conservative provinces that do it. Alberta is conservative.

Sunshine

So, how hard is it to get a license. I heard it is very difficult as most licenses are for Genetic Girls. I was planning on heading out there springtime and I REALLY don't want to call my lawyer from Calgary.

[Alexis]

Also, prostitution may be legal but "incalls" are illegal. It is not usually enforced on escorts, being mainly aimed at brothels. But in a city that has an escort bylaw, the police may be asked to enforce the "incall" laws as an additional way to control the girls.
Sunshine

This was actually beat down in supreme court about 12 years ago..

The only things that are illegal in regards to prostitution in Canada are communication for the the purpose of selling sex and living of the avails of prostitution..

Within the next 2-3 years we'll see the new supreme court rulings on the two laws above and new laws that make prostitution a declarable income..

Thanks to Madam De Sade

Shyla..

If the bawdy house law was enforcable then we'd all get busted all the time.. It got beat in Supreme..

If you declare your prostitution income on your tax return as an entertainer you're comitting tax fraud..

Look it up.. you're taking law aren't you?

I'm not going to worry about it.. wast of money..

[chantel]

This was actually beat down in supreme court about 12 years ago..

The only things that are illegal in regards to prostitution in Canada are communication for the the purpose of selling sex and living of the avails of prostitution..

Within the next 2-3 years we'll see the new supreme court rulings on the two laws above and new laws that make prostitution a declarable income..

Thanks to Madam De Sade

Shyla..

If the bawdy house law was enforcable then we'd all get busted all the time.. It got beat in Supreme..

If you declare your prostitution income on your tax return as an entertainer you're comitting tax fraud..

Look it up.. you're taking law aren't you?

I'm not going to worry about it.. wast of money..

I Believe the bawdy house ruling is still in effect pending a appeal by the fed govt,a ontario judge struck it down recently and will eventually end up in the supreme crt,The supreme court in 1990 heard similar arguements and dismissed the case.may be different this time but will have to wait and see.

[Alexis]

Hmm..

I'm obviously going to have too look up the case law and post it..

Laws are laws.. they are interpreted by the courts and applied by the judges..

Case law rulings don't define laws but they do help in particular cases..

I know hundreds of working girls..

No one ever gets busted for a bawdy house because it cannot be enforced on a single girl..

sorry..

That's why we don't get busted girls..

As for Alberta's fines.. I doubt they could collect on them if they had to..

Especially if you declare it was prostitution not escorting in court..

[Rockheart]

That's lame..

Until such a time as I can legitimately claim my income legaly there's no way in hell I'd pay for a license..

My guess is you can get off by stating you're a prositute not an escort..

Prostitution is legal in Canada in every province. You cannot be arrested for prostitution or prosecuted in any way.

Funds you get from prostitution cannot be claimed on your income tax return.

I suppose you could put it in the gift column if you wanted to which is 100% non taxable..

It doesn't count for shit tho to a bank or anyone else..

Until the laws change.. I don't need a license in Canada cuz they cannot collect on the fines in court..

Just a way that those particular provinces are harassing girls and taking their money..

Threatening to give you a hard time if you don't give them money..

Sound like pimps to me..

Fuckers..

Income tax is not tied to any type of prostitution laws.
If you are earning income in any way shape or form, it is taxable.
If you are not paying tax on this income, you are breaking Federal law period.

Prostitution per se IS NOT illegal in Canada.
Living off the avails, soliciting in public and running a common bawdy house are illegal.

These licenses are not for escorting or prostitution,
They are for running a business in a jurisdiction.
The fines are for not having a business license and not specifically about escorting or prostitution.

If you are running a business in a jurisdiction that requires a license, you must by law buy a business license.
If you are escorting, you are running a business.

If you make money in Canada in any way, you are required to pay tax above your personal exemption.
Revenue Canada will not report you to the police or refuse your tax money unless you are declaring drug dealing or something like that.
If you are doing something totally illegal, the cops will take all your money and assets then you don't need to pay tax.

As long as you are operating within the law, you are supposed to pay tax and business fees to operate.
I would say you are operating within the law.

[chantel]

Hmm..

I'm obviously going to have too look up the case law and post it..

Laws are laws.. they are interpreted by the courts and applied by the judges..

Case law rulings don't define laws but they do help in particular cases..

I know hundreds of working girls..

No one ever gets busted for a bawdy house because it cannot be enforced on a single girl..

sorry..

That's why we don't get busted girls..

As for Alberta's fines.. I doubt they could collect on them if they had to..

Especially if you declare it was prostitution not escorting in court..

To be honest i dont know alot about it,i do know in late 2010 it was struck down by a ontario judge,and im presuming theres a appeal,TGirl Nikki would know alot more as i believe she is closely associated with the case .I think the ruling can be enforced but most areas would not bother unless they received complaints.

[Rockheart]

To be honest i dont know alot about it,i do know in late 2010 it was struck down by a ontario judge,and im presuming theres a appeal,TGirl Nikki would know alot more as i believe she is closely associated with the case .

No matter what, Taxation is not tied to any of these laws.

You are required to pay tax and buy business licenses.

If you were arrested and your business deemed illegal, you would no longer have to pay tax or business licenses because you would not be in business anymore.

Just as an example,
I declared income I made working illegally in the USA.
Revenue & Customs Canada only cares that I made money, they did not care that I made it in the USA or that I didn't have a Visa to work there.

These prostitution laws only determine whether you go to jail or not.
For the most part, independant escorts are left alone.

[chantel]

No matter what, Taxation is not tied to any of these laws.

You are required to pay tax and buy business licenses.

If you were arrested and your business deemed illegal, you would no longer have to pay tax or business licenses because you would not be in business anymore.

Just as an example,
I declared income I made working illegally in the USA.
Revenue & Customs Canada only cares that I made money, they did not care that I made it in the USA or that I didn't have a Visa to work there.

These prostitution laws only determine whether you go to jail or not.
For the most part, independant escorts are left alone.

Agree

[Shyla Wild]

No one ever gets busted for a bawdy house because it cannot be enforced on a single girl..

sorry..

Sure about that? The definition of a Bawdy house.

a place that is kept or occupied, or resorted to by one or more persons, for the purpose of prostitution or the practice of acts of indecency.?

If you put a spotlight on yourself, it can and will be enforced. Not paying taxes is an easy way to get a spotlight on yourself.

[Rockheart]

Sure about that? The definition of a Bawdy house.

a place that is kept or occupied, or resorted to by one or more persons, for the purpose of prostitution or the practice of acts of indecency.”

If you put a spotlight on yourself, it can and will be enforced. Not paying taxes is an easy way to get a spotlight on yourself.

Still, not paying taxes will only bring the taxman.
Unless local police are looking for a way inside your "Operation"

Revenue Canada just does not deal with local police, unless the police are reporting someone to the Feds.
The Feds only care about Provincial and Federal Tax laws and don't have time to care about criminal law.

The local authorities use Business licensing because that is a sure way to convict you.
Since prostitution laws are so wishy washy in Canada, they have no way to truly prosecute you.
But if you break a municipal business law, they don't have to go to the supreme court.
It is the same as selling hot dogs without a license in a non-commercial zone.

[Alexis]

Just to be clear and on the record..

The people that come visit me do not pay me for sex..

They donate or give money to me as a gift and I spend my time with them..

I'm a slut and a nympho so the rest is easy to figure out..

As such any gifts I receive are 100% non taxable and legally do not need to even be claimed on my T1 and even if they did it would not reflect in the taxable income line that the banks and brokers look at..

Gifts are gifts..

I don't need to be employed and I get by with the generosity of the men that are my friends..

If I was to declare that as part of one of the companies I own or otherwise say that these gifts weren't gifts it would be a fraudulent representation of my income and a federal offense..

Shyla & Sunshine.. If you make over $35k you need to charge GST don't you? lol..

I've been in business all my life and own 2 corporations..

I also have a year of post secondary business law and a credit in criminal law and accounting 1 & 2..

There is nothing in Alberta's laws or city bylaws that says men cannot give me gifts and my advertising is never based in Alberta from a legal standpoint.. And as such they cannot collect if they fine me nor prosecute anything..

Any working girl that washes her ho money through a income source to claim it on her taxes is breaking a federal law..

It cannot legally be declared as income if it is the avails of prostitution.. sorry..

Why declare it anyways.. they are gifts.. lol..

And a single girl who sees a friend that gives her a gift is not going to get busted on a bawdy house law unless she's dumb..

If you ran it as a business you could get busted because you are selling sex.. lol..