Transsexuals BANNED from Airline Travel in CANADA.

[Rockheart]

well i wont have that problem cause i am afraid to fly lol

I get a little scared sometimes on the 14 hour flights to Hong Kong.
You are sealed in a big metal box, hurtling over the Pacific ocean.

The other thing is now days everyone has to give up some rights to fly.
Flying is not a right, it is a luxury.

If you are asked to be searched at security, you either have to be searched or scanned.
Someone is going to see you naked and there is nothing you can do about it.

[chantel]

I get a little scared sometimes on the 14 hour flights to Hong Kong.
You are sealed in a big metal box, hurtling over the Pacific ocean.

The other thing is now days everyone has to give up some rights to fly.
Flying is not a right, it is a luxury.

If you are asked to be searched at security, you either have to be searched or scanned.
Someone is going to see you naked and there is nothing you can do about it.

Well i have only flown 3 times in my life,all to UK,nothing unusual happened on the flights but i am just afraid now,maybe i have changed with old age setting in

[merelypink]

i see that the us is not the only county that makes stupid rules

[Mutau]

Shyla is correct.

If the regulation already exists, then it has force and effect, i.e. it can be enforced. There is no need for Parliamentary votes whatsoever. Regulations are administrative in nature and are written and approved through a completely separate system.

What you are referring to Lisa are the Statutes of Canada (SC). They start off as Bills in either the House of Commons or the Senate. These pieces of proposed legislation are voted upon by Parliamentary committees and then the full houses. Regulations or rules evolve from statutes.

The informal priority of laws/regulations is as follows from highest to lowest:

1. statutes;
2. regulations/rules;
3. policies;
4. administrative practices.

Hope this helps.

[tslisaparadise]

i agree but i honestly believe it would be rare for a tgirl whose photos on her ID match her appearance will not be allowed on a flight because it says M,it may happen once in a blue moon and if it does they have to seek legal recourse,but i would say it would be very rare here in canada...another prob is when some girls get discriminated against they dont do nothing about it,i have known a few that were refused washrooms at places and complain to friends but do not do nothing about it,that is a disgrace ,i took on manulife financial few years back ,which is a billion dollar company for discrimination and won,if you dont do nothing the problem persists......on a side note,no i didnt get rich but at least it showed the company discrimination will not be tolerated and maybe it will help someone else out down the road.

i agree my photo is a perfect match so maybe thats why i never have a problem but im sure as hell not gonna fly air canada again thats for sure.

[tslisaparadise]

Shyla is correct.

If the regulation already exists, then it has force and effect, i.e. it can be enfoced. There is no need for Parliamentary votes whatsoever. Regulations are administrative in nature and are written and approved through a completely separate system.

What you are referring to Lisa are the Statutes of Canada (SC). They start off as Bills in either the House of Commons or the Senate. These pieces of proposed legislation are voted upon by Parliamentary committees and then the full houses. Regulations or rules evolve from statutes.

The informal priority of laws/regulations is as follows from highest to lowest:

1. statutes;
2. regulations/rules;
3. policies;
4. administrative practices.

Hope this helps.

this is a human rights issue air canada will never throw a transgender whos photo matches there id on a passport period.

[toban]

Much ado about nothing!

The title of this thread is a bit sensational and in fact misrepresents the reality. This regulation is not directed in any way towards transexuals but is part of the ongoing process of anti-terrorism protection instituted by most nations around the globe. Its purpose is strictly to apprehend any “potential terrorist” attempting to board an aircraft while in disguise.

It seems to me that the reaction on this forum to this change to the Identity Screening Regulation is very misdirected. This change has been in effect now for quite some time already. During this time many transexuals have been flitting freely back and forth across the country without any of them being turfed at the boarding gate.

Have there actually been any reports of any transexuals being turned back at the boarding gate or even being challenged at the boarding gate because of a mismatch in their presentation? I suspect that if there were, we’d have already heard the outcry from that person, forced because of this regulation to make their way to their destination by cab, bus, rental car or train! All we’ve heard so far is about the regulation itself.

[hon123]

this is pretty stupid, as long as the pictures match who cares if it saids M or F...

[dom r]

Afternoon everyone,

As someone quite active with Transsexual rights, I bring this to your attention and ask for your help. Yesterday, new sections were added to the Identity Screening Regulations. This most disturbing section is the following:

5.2 (1) An air carrier shall not transport a passenger if ?
(c) the passenger does not appear to be of the gender indicated on the identification he or she presents;

This is not only alarming but discrimination. So, I ask you the members of this forum, to please help my sisters and myself get back on the plane. Any girls that had travel plans I recommend verifying your travel plans as you will not be allowed to board a plane if your ID says male. If your ID says female and your are pre-op, be prepared to explain fraud.

What You Can Do:

• Find Your MP and write them a letter. Tell them you are not okay with this discrimination.
• Contact the honourable Minister of Transportation Denis Lebel by phone, letter, or email.
• Share this article by clicking the ?Like? or ?Recommend? button above (or below).
• Sign this online petition: Tell Harper to Allow Trans People to Fly on Airplanes

Facebook Group: ? bas l?interdiction a?rienne transphobe?Against Canada?s trans flight ban

It's a sad day for transsexuals everywhere in Canada.

Source : http://chrismilloy.ca/2012/01/transg...nes-in-canada/

This is definately discrimination and this airline should get sued. For what reason would this airline refuse someone's ticket because he or she does not look like the gender as indicated on their birth certificate? What this airline has failed to understand is a person may decide at anytime to change his or her own gender and all that should matter to this airline is if its the SAME person as whos on the birth certificate or other identification card. Thats all that should matter, NOT if he or she looks like a different gender or in between both genders. So whats next,a person cannot board the plane if hes wearing white make up like a black metal dude because he didn't appear that way in his driving license photo? Its about time that airlines are put in their place by sueing them or getting the government to go after them to have them change their discriminatory ways.

[WastedYouth]

this whole nut allergy thing has gone too far.

[Tasha Jones RIP]

I'mmm Bacckkkk...lol

I fly at least once a month, in both Canada and to the States. Not once have I had any issue with boarding my plane. Further more no one has blinked an eye because my passport says M. It is a non issue because I have a recent photo of myself. If you change your look, as most transsexuals do as they go further though there transition. Maybe updating your picture would be a simple way to not confuse people or have unnecessary issues while traveling it is just common sense.

I think Crag was correct in his statements that safety needs to come first. With the world that we are living in today, we all have to give up some rights. I do not think this issue is about gender. I think it is more about matching the picture with how you look on the day of travel. That is one of the first things they look at when looking at your passport. If you look different then your passport photo, it is there job to protect the rest of the passengers by going the extra mile to confirm your identity.

This could also be an issue with identity theft. Some guy could steal some girl?s wallet, dress as a woman and because there worried about offending the Transgender groups is allowed to walk right though. In that case anyone could just walk though. That would not be a flight I wished to take.

The other thing that makes me laugh. When I see a girl posting about how she was treated and not allowed to use the woman?s bathroom or people were stirring at her and making fun. Well here are a couple rules that might help because reality is life nor people are always very kind.

If you are just starting your transition or are not passable, it might be better to dress down until the day comes you are able to walk the streets in the day without concrete on so no one notices your 5?o clock.

This one really gets me going, act like a lady while in public. There is no need to look like some Good Will street walker mid day while picking up your kids from school or doing some shopping. There is nothing wrong with blending into the world and not having to be noticed, because that will get you the wrong attention. There is a time and place for that. You want to be a lady then act like one because those looks you?re getting are NOT looks of approval but looks or disgust and embracement.

There are rules for a reason, we may not agree or like them but most are there to protect us. We all have to bend over and take it up the ass dry now and then so we have the freedom most countries do not have. It seems that every rights group these days picks a issue out of a hat or searches for one so they have something to complain about. May I suggest we deal with issues within our own group first!

Here is an issue you can complain about. How Trans people are represented in pride. So the general public watches on there tv?s at home some red neck who thinks we are all freaks. What do we do, prove him right. First we have a bunch of ? naked guys making out on then street just because they can. Then you have some 300 pound gay guy, in a dress, wig with a bread dancing on some float for all the world to see and that is what the public sees us as. A big fat gay guy in a dress with facial hair wearing woman?s clothes. I do not get what any of that has to do with Pride to begin with. But, the big question is, were are our fellow sisters who are fighting for our rights on such issues when a real issue so close to home comes up? That?s right partying next to the big fat guy in a dress.

At least in 2010 we had Mandy & Todd walk the frontline for our rights?.where were all the Trans that could have walked with them again? Would that not have been the correct time for them to take the spotlight and walk as a proud group? For them to have a voice as one of our ?sisters? was leading the Pride with honour? Not to mention that the tv stations all took notice that this was the first Trans woman to have that honour. That could have been a giant leap in the public seeing what a Transsexual really looks like.

Sorry got off topic there, but I think that those points needed to be made for all those Trans who are standing up for our rights and letting there voices be heard.

Bottom line, this issue is not Trans related it is safety related. Pick your battles and clean up our own back yard before expect change from others.

[Horizon1]

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[chantel]

The other thing that makes me laugh. When I see a girl posting about how she was treated and not allowed to use the woman’s bathroom or people were stirring at her and making fun.

What makes me laugh is people comment and did not read what was wrote.Also what people see on tv at pride ,they also see the buisness banners that are at the front and back of the fat guy,have you talked to the buisness owners you know about not representing pride as they condone all that goes on in pride else they would not be representing it.Really would be a good idea to take action .like i said if you do not do anything the problem persists...1 question..How do you think transgender have the rights they do today? Well let me tell you,it was girls who were noticed and thought they were being treated unfairly and fought for them rights

[Tasha Jones RIP]

What makes me laugh is people comment and did not read what was wrote.Also what people see on tv at pride ,they also see the buisness banners that are at the front and back of the fat guy,have you talked to the buisness owners you know about not representing pride as they condone all that goes on in pride else they would not be representing it.Really would be a good idea to take action .like i said if you do not do anything the problem persists...1 question..How do you think transgender have the rights they do today? Well let me tell you,it was girls who were noticed and thought they were being treated unfairly and fought for them rights

I agree with what you?re saying?to a point. Yes there have been some Trans who have stood up for there rights and have done it the right way. As I noticed you did. See, I did read everything that was written. There are some Trans these days who have taken a stand on issues and have gone about it in a correct way. They have taken those issues and brought them to the forefront in a way that you can respect them being a voice in the Trans committee.

But then there are those who put us back 10 steps when we take 5 steps forward. There are those who only complain and look for issues when sometimes it is better to be happy to be able to have the choices we have and allow things to change over time rather then right now. Those who take stands on things that does not help us as a hole but helps them. Not seeing that unless we are wholes as a committee, we can not move as forward as we could if we stood together.

As for business it really is anther issue but again could be looked at as us changing the views of others but supporting each other. There have been others like myself that have taken offence to the way we are represented within the committee and pride. But in order for us to have change it comes in numbers, support and a respectful way of handling things. Again, 2010 was a chance for us to take a stand and walk in the front of the line.

I was out of town or I would have been at the Pride 2010. I did however turn my tv on, sat on the couch and held my head high when I say Todd & Mandy at the front. It was a moment that us as a group could and should have all shared and been proud of. But then I noticed where were my ?sisters?? Where were all these girls who want change? These girls that take for granted those who have come before them that have walked the hard line to allow us to be where we are today?

Anyways this is getting off topic some?.

[chantel]

Well i agree todd and mandy have done alot for the community and many other people i dont even know,i really do not think a guy at pride dressed as a woman with a beard really hurts us,i think most just get a laugh out of it or roll there eyes...the public that look down upon us always will and will only improve with more education,which i believe there has been alot more out there the last few years and more and more are becoming understanding,in my situation it was discrimination in the form of a letter,as no one at manulife had even seen me at all,they knew i was trans by my work benefits and wrote me a letter saying they would not provide me with what dr wanted because being trans (they called it lifestyle) was the reason for my depression at the time,which was absurd,one day i will post that letter when i dig it up from locker.