Transsexuals BANNED from Airline Travel in CANADA.

[Christina]

I fly at least once a month, in both Canada and to the States. Not once have I had any issue with boarding my plane. Further more no one has blinked an eye because my passport says M. It is a non issue because I have a recent photo of myself. If you change your look, as most transsexuals do as they go further though there transition. Maybe updating your picture would be a simple way to not confuse people or have unnecessary issues while traveling it is just common sense.

I think Crag was correct in his statements that safety needs to come first. With the world that we are living in today, we all have to give up some rights. I do not think this issue is about gender. I think it is more about matching the picture with how you look on the day of travel. That is one of the first things they look at when looking at your passport. If you look different then your passport photo, it is there job to protect the rest of the passengers by going the extra mile to confirm your identity.

This could also be an issue with identity theft. Some guy could steal some girl?s wallet, dress as a woman and because there worried about offending the Transgender groups is allowed to walk right though. In that case anyone could just walk though. That would not be a flight I wished to take.

The other thing that makes me laugh. When I see a girl posting about how she was treated and not allowed to use the woman?s bathroom or people were stirring at her and making fun. Well here are a couple rules that might help because reality is life nor people are always very kind.

If you are just starting your transition or are not passable, it might be better to dress down until the day comes you are able to walk the streets in the day without concrete on so no one notices your 5?o clock.

This one really gets me going, act like a lady while in public. There is no need to look like some Good Will street walker mid day while picking up your kids from school or doing some shopping. There is nothing wrong with blending into the world and not having to be noticed, because that will get you the wrong attention. There is a time and place for that. You want to be a lady then act like one because those looks you?re getting are NOT looks of approval but looks or disgust and embracement.

There are rules for a reason, we may not agree or like them but most are there to protect us. We all have to bend over and take it up the ass dry now and then so we have the freedom most countries do not have. It seems that every rights group these days picks a issue out of a hat or searches for one so they have something to complain about. May I suggest we deal with issues within our own group first!

Here is an issue you can complain about. How Trans people are represented in pride. So the general public watches on there tv?s at home some red neck who thinks we are all freaks. What do we do, prove him right. First we have a bunch of ? naked guys making out on then street just because they can. Then you have some 300 pound gay guy, in a dress, wig with a bread dancing on some float for all the world to see and that is what the public sees us as. A big fat gay guy in a dress with facial hair wearing woman?s clothes. I do not get what any of that has to do with Pride to begin with. But, the big question is, were are our fellow sisters who are fighting for our rights on such issues when a real issue so close to home comes up? That?s right partying next to the big fat guy in a dress.

At least in 2010 we had Mandy & Todd walk the frontline for our rights?.where were all the Trans that could have walked with them again? Would that not have been the correct time for them to take the spotlight and walk as a proud group? For them to have a voice as one of our ?sisters? was leading the Pride with honour? Not to mention that the tv stations all took notice that this was the first Trans woman to have that honour. That could have been a giant leap in the public seeing what a Transsexual really looks like.

Sorry got off topic there, but I think that those points needed to be made for all those Trans who are standing up for our rights and letting there voices be heard.

Bottom line, this issue is not Trans related it is safety related. Pick your battles and clean up our own back yard before expect change from others.

Luv having you back sexy!

[Tasha Jones RIP]

Luv having you back sexy!

Oh thanks doll face...nice being back for a minute..haha

[Tasha Jones RIP]

Well i agree todd and mandy have done alot for the community and many other people i dont even know,i really do not think a guy at pride dressed as a woman with a beard really hurts us,i think most just get a laugh out of it or roll there eyes...the public that look down upon us always will and will only improve with more education,which i believe there has been alot more out there the last few years and more and more are becoming understanding,in my situation it was discrimination in the form of a letter,as no one at manulife had even seen me at all,they knew i was trans by my work benefits and wrote me a letter saying they would not provide me with what dr wanted because being trans (they called it lifestyle) was the reason for my depression at the time,which was absurd,one day i will post that letter when i dig it up from locker.

Chantal.

I have to 100% disagree with your statements that ?some fat guy in a dress will not hurt us or set us back? How can it not hurt us when that is what the public see us as? It really shows the lack of committee within when one of our own can not see how not only that type of behaviour is unsupportive but also very disrespectful to the trans committee as a whole.

I will agree that education is a good way for people to change there views on us. As well there has been a boost in media coverage of Trans issues which brings us an opportunity to show the world who we really are. But seeing us as normal people living, working and being a part of society would be the best way for anyone to understand who we are as people. That we are NOT just a guy in a dress! Being Trans has nothing to do with sexuality or how we choice to dress. Being Trans is who we are as people.

But again this is a mute point until there is support amongst our own committee we will never have the support of others. Cleary this topic shows that we do not have the same goals or values within our own committee. Which is sad but rehashing the same things over and over again will not bring change. Change really does have to come within.

[chantel]

Chantal.

I have to 100% disagree with your statements that “some fat guy in a dress will not hurt us or set us back” How can it not hurt us when that is what the public see us as? It really shows the lack of committee within when one of our own can not see how not only that type of behaviour is unsupportive but also very disrespectful to the trans committee as a whole.

I will agree that education is a good way for people to change there views on us. As well there has been a boost in media coverage of Trans issues which brings us an opportunity to show the world who we really are. But seeing us as normal people living, working and being a part of society would be the best way for anyone to understand who we are as people. That we are NOT just a guy in a dress! Being Trans has nothing to do with sexuality or how we choice to dress. Being Trans is who we are as people.

But again this is a mute point until there is support amongst our own committee we will never have the support of others. Cleary this topic shows that we do not have the same goals or values within our own committee. Which is sad but rehashing the same things over and over again will not bring change. Change really does have to come within.

Tasha i post on many daily news forums on a variety of topics and i will tell you what hurts us and has people all up in arms about pride,it is the nudity and the sexual tone,anyone you know support this.... go on any conservative news forum such as toronto sun and people are disgusted with everyone asociated with pride because of the nudity..you cant please everyone and there will always be people who have there negative views,there are many conservative extremists in this country and you will never change them.We have 1 as mayor and like all the others he is a arrogant SOB, ..you know we can go on about this all day and you know what,not much bothers me and i dont really give a fuck what these conservative arrogant bastards like or dont,i hate them as much as they hate us,and no matter where i engage them il be right in there face at there 1st words.finished with this

[Tasha Jones RIP]

Tasha i post on many daily news forums on a variety of topics and i will tell you what hurts us and has people all up in arms about pride,it is the nudity and the sexual tone,anyone you know support this.... go on any conservative news forum such as toronto sun and people are disgusted with everyone asociated with pride because of the nudity..you cant please everyone and there will always be people who have there negative views,there are many conservative extremists in this country and you will never change them.We have 1 as mayor and like all the others he is a arrogant SOB, ..you know we can go on about this all day and you know what,not much bothers me and i dont really give a fuck what these conservative arrogant bastards like or dont,i hate them as much as they hate us,and no matter where i engage them il be right in there face at there 1st words.finished with this

I am as well a poster on many other sites that have nothing to do with Trans or even the gay committee. My views that I have spoken about are not just my views but feed back I have gotten from talking to everyday people who have seen the parade on tv and commented about the "guys in dresses". When meeting me and talking to me they see the difference but there first thought was that is what all Trans people are like. Moreover they think that is what all gay people as a whole are like, freaks and sex addicts who can not act like a normal person in public. To be honest, what does nudity have to do with Pride anyway? But that is an issue with pride itself. We are talking about Trans issues and having the misrepresentation of ourselves for all the world to see.

[chantel]

I am as well a poster on many other sites that have nothing to do with Trans or even the gay committee. My views that I have spoken about are not just my views but feed back I have gotten from talking to everyday people who have seen the parade on tv and commented about the "guys in dresses". When meeting me and talking to me they see the difference but there first thought was that is what all Trans people are like. Moreover they think that is what all gay people as a whole are like, freaks and sex addicts who can not act like a normal person in public. To be honest, what does nudity have to do with Pride anyway? But that is an issue with pride itself. We are talking about Trans issues and having the misrepresentation of ourselves for all the world to see.

well last word on this,let me just say the people your talking to are pretty shallow and narrow minded if there thinking all trans are like the guys in dresses, sort of like racial profiling dont you think,tell them folks to get a life and get out the house a little.enjoy your night.

[Tasha Jones RIP]

well last word on this,let me just say the people your talking to are pretty shallow and narrow minded if there thinking all trans are like the guys in dresses, sort of like racial profiling dont you think,tell them folks to get a life and get out the house a little.enjoy your night.

Last Last word?.haha.

There not to be honest. They are educated people who mean no disrespect (Well most of them you always have your bad apples) but unlike us, the Trans lifestyle is not something they spend to much time thinking or educating themselves on. Why would they? They have everyday issues that they would rather focus on. They have lives and for most other then talking to me or reading my views on issues most of which has nothing to do with Trans, they do not know any Trans or have any in there life. So when we are represented by the likes of what is offered at most Prides. What else are they to think.

But getting out there and talking to other message boards and changing where I spend my time and who I spend it with has really been a life changer and opened my eyes to things and I now see things very different then I once did.

I have to admit. Since walking pretty much away from the Trans life and most of the people in it, I am a much happier person. I do not have the drama that still goes on. I can have a normal conversation with people about normal things and not talk about silicone or who is undercutting who. Now that I look back every fight or stress I every had was so worthless and a huge waste of my time. Not to mention some of these girls who I wasted my time on?.I look at them now and see what lonely pathetic lives they live. I see that they will never change nor evolve in life. They will be some 60 year old tranny swinging around a pole thinking she is still the cats?whatever.

My point is, because most of these girls will never change it will take much more time for us to evolve into a supportive committee. This new bread of Trans people are more supportive and less back stabbing and selfish as most of the girls I had to deal with. There nice and grateful for what they have.

Anyways I think this topic is pretty much dried up. I see no one else posting or caring to be honest?maybe flash a cock they might show interests in talking about something other then there sexual fetish of the week.

[tslisaparadise]

[QUOTE=TashaJones;343849]Last Last word….haha.

There not to be honest. They are educated people who mean no disrespect (Well most of them you always have your bad apples) but unlike us, the Trans lifestyle is not something they spend to much time thinking or educating themselves on. Why would they? They have everyday issues that they would rather focus on. They have lives and for most other then talking to me or reading my views on issues most of which has nothing to do with Trans, they do not know any Trans or have any in there life. So when we are represented by the likes of what is offered at most Prides. What else are they to think.

But getting out there and talking to other message boards and changing where I spend my time and who I spend it with has really been a life changer and opened my eyes to things and I now see things very different then I once did.

I have to admit. Since walking pretty much away from the Trans life and most of the people in it, I am a much happier person. I do not have the drama that still goes on. I can have a normal conversation with people about normal things and not talk about silicone or who is undercutting who. Now that I look back every fight or stress I every had was so worthless and a huge waste of my time. Not to mention some of these girls who I wasted my time on….I look at them now and see what lonely pathetic lives they live. I see that they will never change nor evolve in life. They will be some 60 year old tranny swinging around a pole thinking she is still the cats…whatever.

My point is, because most of these girls will never change it will take much more time for us to evolve into a supportive committee. This new bread of Trans people are more supportive and less back stabbing and selfish as most of the girls I had to deal with. There nice and grateful for what they have.

Anyways I think this topic is pretty much dried up. I see no one else posting or caring to be honest…maybe flash a cock they might show interests in talking about something other then there sexual fetish of the week. [/QUOTE lol

[Shyla Wild]

I found a Loophole in the Identity Screening Process.

This is the part that could lead to a discrimination issue. Here is the entire section.

5.2 (1) An air carrier shall not transport a passenger if

(a) the passenger presents a piece of photo identification and does not resemble the photograph;

(b) the passenger does not appear to be the age indicated by the date of birth on the identification he or

she presents;

(c) the passenger does not appear to be of the gender

indicated on the identification he or she presents; or

(d) the passenger presents more than one form of

identification and there is a major discrepancy between those forms of identification.

Okay, I do understand the safety concerns. That is understandable as I would not want some Terrorist trying to pretend that he is his sister. And most girls will tell you they have no problem travelling. But let me bring you to the next section.

(2) Despite paragraph (1)(a), an air carrier may transport a passenger who presents a piece of photo identification but does not resemble the photograph if

(a) the passenger?s appearance changed for medical

reasons after the photograph was taken and the passenger presents the air carrier with a document signed

by a health care professional and attesting to that fact;

or

(b) the passengers?s face is bandaged for medical reasons and the passenger presents the air carrier with a

document signed by a health care professional and attesting to that fact.

So...why can't a Transsexual show her papers proving she has Gender Identity Disorder? We have to rely on the judgement of someone at a boarding gate? I think not. I agree with airline security 100%...but if another Airline or other Terrorist incident occurs, they will enforce the book. I just want the right to show my papers, medical or otherwise and be on my way.

Lastly, considering the MAJOR loophole in 2(b)...don't you think that would be easier to pull that off then dressing as the opposite sex?

[daisuki888]

Why should they banned it? it is not right to do that to a person