Miss Universe Canada yanks transgendered contestant from pageant

[mr-kink]

The Miss Universe Canada organizers concede Jenna Talackova is a ?real girl,? but that doesn?t mean they will let her in their beauty pageant.
Talackova, a Vancouver native, will not be competing in this year?s Miss Universe Canada pageant because she was born a male.
According to Denis Davila, national director of Miss Universe Canada, the rules set by the Miss Universe franchise state that each contestant must be a ?naturally born female.?
According to Davila, Talackova claimed on her registration form she was born a female. He said he suspected otherwise and asked her about it on Mar. 13, when she admitted she was not.
She was pulled from the contest the same day.
?She feels like a real girl and she is a real girl. She didn?t expect people to question it,? Davila said.
?She was hoping we could put her back in the competition, but the rules are very clear and there?s no way we can go back on it.?
Talackova could not be reached for comment Friday night

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/a...t-from-pageant

[Rockheart]

Since it is a beauty contest it shouldn't really matter what her birth is.
It should just be the beauty and personality features that count.

If it was a contest of strength or sport then it may not be fair.
In this case there is no advantage to her birth gender that I can see.

I guess if it was in their rules already, there isn't much you can do.

[Raging Bob]

Apparently beauty is in the eye of the Census taker.

[merelypink]

boo hiss!!!

[Pantyhose1]

boo hiss!!!

I think Donald Trump was behind it all giving her the boot. I would love to have seen her compete !

[Bawb]

Since it is a beauty contest it shouldn't really matter what her birth is.
It should just be the beauty and personality features that count.

If it was a contest of strength or sport then it may not be fair.
In this case there is no advantage to her birth gender that I can see.

I guess if it was in their rules already, there isn't much you can do.

Crag, isn't discrimination based on gender unconstitutional? should she take it to the human rights council?

[kitana.mai]

She's a friend of mine. She's such a sweet, nice person. She has a lawyer and she'll be releasing statements next week. She's going to get a lot of news coverage over this, so I'm sure it won't go unheard. I hope she ends up on Ellen so the world can see that TS's and TG's are normal, beautiful woman, instead of the girls they show on Maury.

[toban]

That has to be a big downer for her but - - ->

In that the contest is more or less a privately operated, by invitation only, financial venture I can't see any way to fight it using human rights legislation.

I believe that she will still find considerable benefit anyway, just from the exposure to this turn of events.

[Rockheart]

Crag, isn't discrimination based on gender unconstitutional? should she take it to the human rights council?

It's a private event, they can do what they want.
They are not regulated by the Canadian government, nor sanctioned.
Participating in a beauty contest is not a right in any way.

The constitution does not describe a third sex that has special rights.
Essentially you cannot be discriminated in getting Government assistance or a job based on gender or sexuality.
You must be allowed all basic freedoms.

Plus this is an International Competition and many countries would not agree with a TS being in the contest.
Many countries religions and people believe there is only 2 sexes physically, and at birth that is essentially true.
You cannot argue with people that believe this, you must accept their beliefs, just like you hope they will accept yours.

Transsexuals are self identifying as they get older and medical professionals are agreeing with them.
TS are not going to medical centers with a problem and being told they are transgender.
So this would mean any guy could suddenly demand to be in this competition based on no proof.

I have a hard time believing that any MTF Transgender beauty contest would allow a woman ever.
It wouldn't make sense nor be good for the contests.

I think she gave it a try, got found out and that is it.
To sue over this would be excessive and very Canadian.
The greatest thing would have been if they didn't find out and she won.
However the fact that the judges know taints the entire process and just isn't fair anymore.

We in Canada are just a little to fast to call everyone racists and intolerant at the drop of a hat.
When you are pushing the boundaries, you have to accept that some people won't agree.

Addtionally these rules have been around since before transsexualism was pronounced in society.
We need to respect some institutions as they are.
If society in future condemns these contests as a whole, then no one will support them and they will fold.
To push ideals on people that will never agree with them is not correct.

[Rockheart]

I also don't believe it's a human right issue as these things are not regulated by the government. I just think we have better things to worry about then a beauty pageant.

I just believe there are too many social issues to allow this to happen.

The fact is Transsexuals are 1-3% of the world population at best.

Human Rights have to be based on the Majority like everything else.

Basic human rights are food, housing, equal job opportunities and respect.
Freedom of sexuality and religion are in there too but nothing forces us to accept each others beliefs but only tolerate them.

To turn every institution upside down based on such a small percentage of humans does not make sense.
People seem to lose track of the "Human" in all this.

In fact, "Having Sex" is not a right.
Only "Freedom to pursue your sexuality" is a Human Right.
If nobody wants to have sex with you, well that is your individual problem.
The Government doesn't need to step in.

[Shyla Wild]

The America is not ready for this. How many times does a guy come into these forums and questions his sexuality? Could you imagine what would happen?

They just don't want genetic girls to get their ass kicked.... Would you want to be the girl that was beaten by another girl that was born a boy?

They do not understand gender identity and they do not accept Transsexuals as real woman. Personally, there are many other issues that I believe we should target, before trying to tackle something as objectifying as a beauty pageant. We suffer many human rights issues and I clearly believe this is a case of running before you can walk. Could you imagine a Black man trying to run for President in the USA during the time of slavery. I am not trying to compare transsexual rights, to the injustice of the US being a Slave Labor State before the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution but I am saying that we have a long way to go before we can subject ourselves to full public opinion. Not all States have gay marriage. Such a simple right, but yet seems to be an issue to let two people that love each other to form a commitment. If you cannot marry a TS in most of the States, why would they allow a TS to enter Miss Universe?

[Rockheart]

The America is not ready for this. How many times does a guy come into these forums and questions his sexuality? Could you imagine what would happen?

They just don't want genetic girls to get their ass kicked.... Would you want to be the girl that was beaten by another girl that was born a boy?

They do not understand gender identity and they do not accept Transsexuals as real woman. Personally, there are many other issues that I believe we should target, before trying to tackle something as objectifying as a beauty pageant. We suffer many human rights issues and I clearly believe this is a case of running before you can walk. Could you imagine a Black man trying to run for President in the USA during the time of slavery. I am not trying to compare transsexual rights, to the injustice of the US being a Slave Labor State before the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution but I am saying that we have a long way to go before we can subject ourselves to full public opinion. Not all States have gay marriage. Such a simple right, but yet seems to be an issue to let two people that love each other to form a commitment. If you cannot marry a TS in most of the States, why would they allow a TS to enter Miss Universe?

The fact is, this is not a human right and never will be.

Getting their ass kicked by a man is not the reason.
You can say the exact same thing about a Transgender beauty pageant with a woman entering
Once there is no boundaries, you let in one person born a man, then you have to let them all in.

Same with the olympics.
You let one man compete as a woman the the whole thing is stupid.
Then women are discriminated against.
They cannot compete at all because men have taken over both sides.
Then how do you "prove" who is a real TS and who is not, you can't.

People don't say that Mr. Universe should compete against Miss Universe, it doesn't make sense.
The same that Miss TG Universe should not compete against them either.
They just are not the same and cannot be compared.
Apples to apples, oranges to oranges.

TS have distinct advantages with thicker skin etc. just from being born male.
They tend to have less fat in all the places that count and can have high metabolisms in general.
You cannot change these things.

The only way a TS could compete fairly in this contest, is if nobody knew.
Otherwise it is just not fair to anyone involved.

[Shyla Wild]

I also don't believe it's a human right issue as these things are not regulated by the government. I just think we have better things to worry about then a beauty pageant.

I just believe there are too many social issues to allow this to happen.

[Canadiankrahe]

The fact is Transsexuals are 1-3% of the world population at best.

Human Rights have to be based on the Majority like everything else.

Basic human rights are food, housing, equal job opportunities and respect.
Freedom of sexuality and religion are in there too but nothing forces us to accept each others beliefs but only tolerate them.

To turn every institution upside down based on such a small percentage of humans does not make sense.
People seem to lose track of the "Human" in all this.

Similarly, "Having Sex" is not a right.
Only "Freedom to pursue your sexuality" is a Human Right.
If nobody wants to have sex with you, well that is your individual problem.
The Government doesn't need to step in.

I believe the proper term is discrimination, not human rights.
unfortunately the CPC has been blocking adding gender identity to the list of hate crimes and illegal things to discriminate on. however its possible that just like you can't discriminate based on the sex of a person for a job, this could be similar.

On a positive note, she is very beautiful, and the fact that shes not very angry with them (at least from that article) is definently a plus in her favour.

[Bawb]

It's a private event, they can do what they want.
They are not regulated by the Canadian government, nor sanctioned.
Participating in a beauty contest is not a right in any way.

The constitution does not describe a third sex that has special rights.
Essentially you cannot be discriminated in getting Government assistance or a job based on gender or sexuality.
You must be allowed all basic freedoms.

Plus this is an International Competition and many countries would not agree with a TS being in the contest.
Many countries religions and people believe there is only 2 sexes physically, and at birth that is essentially true.
You cannot argue with people that believe this, you must accept their beliefs, just like you hope they will accept yours.

Transsexuals are self identifying as they get older and medical professionals are agreeing with them.
TS are not going to medical centers with a problem and being told they are transgender.
So this would mean any guy could suddenly demand to be in this competition based on no proof.

I have a hard time believing that any MTF Transgender beauty contest would allow a woman ever.
It wouldn't make sense nor be good for the contests.

I think she gave it a try, got found out and that is it.
To sue over this would be excessive and very Canadian.
The greatest thing would have been if they didn't find out and she won.
However the fact that the judges know taints the entire process and just isn't fair anymore.

We in Canada are just a little to fast to call everyone racists and intolerant at the drop of a hat.
When you are pushing the boundaries, you have to accept that some people won't agree.

Addtionally these rules have been around since before transsexualism was pronounced in society.
We need to respect some institutions as they are.
If society in future condemns these contests as a whole, then no one will support them and they will fold.
To push ideals on people that will never agree with them is not correct.

I see, I wonder what Jenna and her lawyer will say when they address the media eventually. Do you think Trump, with all his supposedly fabulous wealth paid her to go away quietly?