Tia Phoenixx: is escorting business of tgirls in decline? unedited interview

[Tia Phoenixx]

Over all I don't think that there is a decline in the t-girls escorting market. To the opposite, everyday there are new comers to the scene.

Having said that, I concur also that there is a disproportionate increase in the supply. Let's face it, a quick browsing of any advertising website will reveal that that the number of t-girls is increasing everyday. I believe that the market has the mechanisms to correct itself over the long run.

I am currently sitting at the highest rate in Ottawa and honestly didn't face significant problems. I am sending a clear message through my ads, website etc targeting my clients and I think that they are getting the message very well. Competing with lowering prices is that worst strategy in my view as girls should put more effort in providing a top notch quality service.

Let's take the ggs escorts as an example, you will find in the same BP ads escorts charging 150/hr and others charging 300/hr. Clients will ultimately decide where to go based on many thing, but a major determinant is the affordability. When it comes to intimate times. quality prevails and clients know that.

It might be the case that starting escorting these days is not as easy as it used to be, it might be the monthly income of established escorts is declining, but this is an unavoidable consequence of the free market, unless each girl develops her own niche! You can see very clearly that a lot of girls in the market will leave it or stay where they are and few that are coming and bringing something new to the table!

It takes time, effort and most important a "brain" to bring something new to the table and that's why few escorts (tgs or ggs) can do it and succeed!

no further comment, great answer Jane! Thanks for the input

[Tia Phoenixx]

]I don't think anyone should consider escorting as a permanent profession.[/B]
It should be a job to help you get to another career, or a part time job for extra money.

All the service jobs generally are used by young people and unskilled people to make good money.
However going to school and getting a trade or professional career is a far more lucrative option.

Bartenders, waitresses, escorts, strippers etc.
These are all service related jobs that pay quite well compared to other entry level jobs.
Sure these jobs are much more preferred to other minimum wage level jobs because you can make more money, specifically when you receive tips or bonuses over and above the basic.
Escorts and strippers, of course, can charge a higher basic charge due to the personal nature of the business.

Service industry jobs like this pay well but usually you do not improve and make more money over time.
Once you are proficient you will make the maximum possible right away but never make more really.

A good career or profession will always provide you more money and more possibilities as time goes on.
Some people say sex is a skill but really it is all about effort and looks, many many people can do this job the same.
A true professional skill is something you improve your whole life, you can only get so good at sex.
A computer programmer or a welder can always get better and study more modern techniques.

Escorting is a fabulous profession for those that need good money with little skills.
It can help pay for transition or school.
It can be a life long profession but not the best one you can choose.

The fact is most people in the service industry are looked down on as servants.
There is nothing you can do about this as you are accepting this by taking on this work.

I agree with you to certain points Crag.
However, there is no doubt that your thought is very relevant and realistic.

Few exceptions exist though....

Escorting has helped me a lot in life. I mean, i have accumulated millions from this industry...and i'm not exaggerating.
Therefore, though I agree that escorting is not advisable to be a profession for most girls , but few exceptions indeed exists, and I and few other girls can be the example for that.

Lucy for instance, I admire her for being so long in this industry and still can manage to be at the top of her game.
We have other girls too, like Terah, Sunshine, Victoria, and Karolina, who have been working longer than most of us.

They must have their secret of their longevity in this industry.

However, as I already mentioned on no.8 of my interview with Peter, that we need a safety net, just in case something wrong happens, or just in case that the market changes....economic meltdown for instance, so we will not be able to sustain our decent income any longer since the demand may drop significantly.

Last but not least, i totally agree with you that escorts are looked down on as servants, actually sometimes even worse, people see us as a criminal or immoral.

That;s why i start revealing my personal life, including my daily life story so people can see and learn about my life, and hopefully they will realize that even though i'm an escort i'm pretty much the same like other people. I have sad stories...happy stories...success stories..etc

I hope someday the perception about escorting will change!

we just have to wait and see...

[Rockheart]

I agree with you to certain points Crag.
However, there is no doubt that your thought is very relevant and realistic.

Few exceptions exist though....

Escorting has helped me a lot in life. I mean, i have accumulated millions from this industry...and i'm not exaggerating.
Therefore, though I agree that escorting is not advisable to be a profession for most girls , but few exceptions indeed exists, and I and few other girls can be the example for that.

Lucy for instance, I admire her for being so long in this industry and still can manage to be at the top of her game.
We have other girls too, like Terah, Sunshine, Victoria, and Karolina, who have been working longer than most of us.

They must have their secret of their longevity in this industry.

However, as I already mentioned on no.8 of my interview with Peter, that we need a safety net, just in case something wrong happens, or just in case that the market changes....economic meltdown for instance, so we will not be able to sustain our decent income any longer since the demand may drop significantly.

Last but not least, i totally agree with you that escorts are looked down on as servants, actually sometimes even worse, people see us as a criminal or immoral.

That;s why i start revealing my personal life, including my daily life story so people can see and learn about my life, and hopefully they will realize that even though i'm an escort i'm pretty much the same like other people. I have sad stories...happy stories...success stories..etc

I hope someday the perception about escorting will change!

we just have to wait and see...

I never said you cannot make money doing it, I am saying it is not a good profession to make a career.
It should only be a stepping stone along the way.
However you can accumulate millions working at any decent career.

In fact if you really want to be rich, escorting is no guarantee.
There is too many risks and unknowns.
Hard work at a profession and moving up the ladder is a guarantee.

You may think you have more freedom but you don't.
You are a slave to your job 24 hours a day.

You don't have the sex life you want as an escort, you have other peoples sex lives.
From what you experienced you may thing you have had a great and varied sex life as an escort,
but it was always on someone else's terms.
You give up your privacy and put yourself at many risks.

A good profession you get leisure time and money to spend on it.
You dictate your sex life and leisure hours, not others.

Sure you can make good money as an escort when you are young but as you grow older the money declines.
You may think you can save enough but an escorts career is often short, with no pension or benefits.

I guarantee you that going to school and getting a profession will give you every benefit over being an escort.
A brighter future,
More money,
More leisure time,
more freedom,
more respect.
more benefits.

It's just a fact.

[brendan888]

many years ago the local news paper would have one maybe two in the adult section now there is 8to12 every day mainly flooded by low end asians visiting from o/seas so when we get a good one the don't stay long to competitive market and move on

[xoxJanexox]

I never said you cannot make money doing it, I am saying it is not a good profession to make a career.
It should only be a stepping stone along the way.
However you can accumulate millions working at any decent career.

In fact if you really want to be rich, escorting is no guarantee.
There is too many risks and unknowns.
Hard work at a profession and moving up the ladder is a guarantee.

You may think you have more freedom but you don't.
You are a slave to your job 24 hours a day.

You don't have the sex life you want as an escort, you have other peoples sex lives.
From what you experienced you may thing you have had a great and varied sex life as an escort,
but it was always on someone else's terms.
You give up your privacy and put yourself at many risks.

A good profession you get leisure time and money to spend on it.
You dictate your sex life and leisure hours, not others.

Sure you can make good money as an escort when you are young but as you grow older the money declines.
You may think you can save enough but an escorts career is often short, with no pension or benefits.

I guarantee you that going to school and getting a profession will give you every benefit over being an escort.
A brighter future,
More money,
More leisure time,
more freedom,
more respect.
more benefits.

It's just a fact.

I must question your facts really!

- Success in escorting is comparable to success in life. Few reach the top of the pyramid and the majority struggle climbing! This applies to all paths of life.

- Going to school and getting a degree doesn't guarantee you anything. It is merely a tool that could lead to success but not a guarantee! Are you aware of the many highly educated individuals who are jobless or accepting minimum wages jobs to pay the bills.

- Talking about enslavement, please tell me who is not enslaved these days to their corporation. In fact, the most prestigious professions are the ones where implicit enslavement is rampant.

- Respect: I have never lived to satisfy society standards and any escort that is sensitive to society criticism should quit. We are like politicians. Only the ones with thick skin can survive! Have you ever respected a politician? But the fact of the matter is that they rule at the end!

[Tia Phoenixx]

I never said you cannot make money doing it, I am saying it is not a good profession to make a career.
It should only be a stepping stone along the way.
However you can accumulate millions working at any decent career.

In fact if you really want to be rich, escorting is no guarantee.
There is too many risks and unknowns.
Hard work at a profession and moving up the ladder is a guarantee.

You may think you have more freedom but you don't.
You are a slave to your job 24 hours a day.

You don't have the sex life you want as an escort, you have other peoples sex lives.
From what you experienced you may thing you have had a great and varied sex life as an escort,
but it was always on someone else's terms.
You give up your privacy and put yourself at many risks.

A good profession you get leisure time and money to spend on it.
You dictate your sex life and leisure hours, not others.

Sure you can make good money as an escort when you are young but as you grow older the money declines.
You may think you can save enough but an escorts career is often short, with no pension or benefits.

I guarantee you that going to school and getting a profession will give you every benefit over being an escort.
A brighter future,
More money,
More leisure time,
more freedom,
more respect.
more benefits.

It's just a fact.

We have completely different way of thinking since we grew up in a different country.
Your way of thinking seems very ordinary, typical middle class Canadian.
Which is totally fine and right in most cases, but that is not my case

Without escorting I might still be living in a hut without clean water and electricity, instead I have bought, without any exaggeration:
1. a great big house for my parents in a gated, upscale community West Jakarta
2.one house for my dogs in Toronto lol (I literally still keep my house in Toronto just because of them), East York. That the first house I bought after working 3.5 months as an escort in Toronto.
3.one office building of 2000 (or 2500) square feet, i'm not too sure measuring it in feet, Jakarta
4. a commercial, rented house, built especially for tenants (it is now sold), Jakarta
5. One apartment in downtown Toronto (it is now sold)
6. And last but definitely not the least my newest house with a swimming pool, rooftop terrace, indoor garden in a nice, upscale, gated community in South Jakarta
7. Investments $$$
8. Savings $$$
9. 3 to 5 months vacation in a year
10. Traveling around the globe, meeting interesting people
11. not to mention i can manage my own schedule...remember that I am the boss, nobody will tell me what to do.
12. Putting some money aside for my retirement (yes I do too!)

I can't imagine me working elsewhere and can accumulate that assets in merely 7.5 years, and this is purely from escorting. I don't have sugar daddy, to be more precise I don;t need a sugar daddy. I'm comfortable financially.
Nevertheless, i'm definitely an exceptional case. Most girls by far don't do this well. That's why i never recommend this profession to anybody, unless if you have what it takes to be successful.

what do you think?

[Rockheart]

We have completely different way of thinking since we grew up in a different country.
Your way of thinking seems very ordinary, typical middle class Canadian.
Which is totally fine and right in most cases, but that is not my case

Without escorting I might still be living in a hut without clean water and electricity, instead I have bought, without any exaggeration:
1. a great big house for my parents in a gated, upscale community West Jakarta
2.one house for my dogs in Toronto lol (I literally still keep my house in Toronto just because of them), East York. That the first house I bought after working 3.5 months as an escort in Toronto.
3.one office building of 2000 (or 2500) square feet, i'm not too sure measuring it in feet, Jakarta
4. a commercial, rented house, built especially for tenants (it is now sold), Jakarta
5. One apartment in downtown Toronto (it is now sold)
6. And last but definitely not the least my newest house with a swimming pool, rooftop terrace, indoor garden in a nice, upscale, gated community in South Jakarta
7. Investments $$$
8. Savings $$$
9. 3 to 5 months vacation in a year
10. Traveling around the globe, meeting interesting people
11. not to mention i can manage my own schedule...remember that I am the boss, nobody will tell me what to do.
12. Putting some money aside for my retirement (yes I do too!)

I can't imagine me working elsewhere and can accumulate that assets in merely 7.5 years, and this is purely from escorting. I don't have sugar daddy, to be more precise I don;t need a sugar daddy. I'm comfortable financially.
Nevertheless, i'm definitely an exceptional case. Most girls by far don't do this well. That's why i never recommend this profession to anybody, unless if you have what it takes to be successful.

what do you think?

Why are you judging me?
I have lived on the street, I have lived in my car.
I will guarantee the hut my dad's family grew up in Canada here was far worse than what your parents lived in.
Did your family live in a sod hut in the prairie wasteland at -40 degrees, no you lived in a tropical paradise. (boo hoo for you)
Middle class people in Canada had to fucking work their asses off to be that way, unlike anything you could imagine!
My grandparents had it harder than your parents will every know!
But they were happy all their lives and didn't need money because they had each other.

Just because you think you were poor or whatever that is no excuse to say your opinion is better.
That is bullshit.
You know nothing about my life to assume what I am.

Escorting is not a good life to choose period.
Nearly every other profession on earth is better than being an escort.

Yes you can make good quick money but it is not something to do forever.
You can make more money 100% of the time by going to school and getting a good career.

You could have bought property or whatever you wanted.
This excuse you give is complete bunk.

The fact is escorts do not live their own lives.
They are the slaves and playthings of others.
I know you cannot see this but you are a sex slave to others.
You do not have sex on your terms and you are not free.

You essentially have no personal life or vacation.
Sure you travel but it is hollow.

Money is not the be all and end all.
You parents didn't need a pool to be happy, they need each other and love.
This is what makes the world go around, not money.

If money is number one for you, then take a step back.
Escorting is not a profession that anyone should pursue as a main profession.
No matter where you come from.
It warps your reality of what life is really about it.

Life is about love, family, and living.
Whether you have money is not significant if you have love and family.
Money won't do you any good when you are dead.

You are wrong, there is a million other ways you could have accumulated this money, but you only see the one that is obvious and easy.
Live your own life, not someone elses.
There is no love and companionship in your life, ony sex often with strangers.
I would give anything to have a nice girlfriend or family over a "house for my dogs".

I would have loved to be born in a hut in a poorer country to a loving family.
I could have had a simple life and raised a family and be happy.
I might have less money than I have now but I would be happy.

You seem to think that nobody wants to live your life in Jakarta and that it is a bad life.
It is not a bad life.
If your family knew how you got this money would they agree it was worth it?
The pursuit of wealth is the worlds greatest disease.
It makes people irrational and lonely.

People in third world countries are the happiest people in the world.
It is only our warped society that makes people think otherwise.

I will soon be moving to Thailand or somewhere like that because life is better.
I don't need a whole bunch of money, cause I just don't need it.
Life is about far more than mone, I have some money and that is not what I want in life.

If I end up losing all my money and working in a rice field, there is nothing wrong with that.
I am still living life on my own terms.
thanks

[Ray]

Tia, will you marry me?

[Tia Phoenixx]

Why are you judging me?
I have lived on the street, I have lived in my car.
I will guarantee the hut my dad's family grew up in Canada here was far worse than what your parents lived in.
Did your family live in a sod hut in the prairie wasteland at -40 degrees, no you lived in a tropical paradise. (boo hoo for you)
Middle class people in Canada had to fucking work their asses off to be that way, unlike anything you could imagine!
My grandparents had it harder than your parents will every know!
But they were happy all their lives and didn't need money because they had each other.

Just because you think you were poor or whatever that is no excuse to say your opinion is better.
That is bullshit.
You know nothing about my life to assume what I am.

Escorting is not a good life to choose period.
Nearly every other profession on earth is better than being an escort.

Yes you can make good quick money but it is not something to do forever.
You can make more money 100% of the time by going to school and getting a good career.

You could have bought property or whatever you wanted.
This excuse you give is complete bunk.

The fact is escorts do not live their own lives.
They are the slaves and playthings of others.
I know you cannot see this but you are a sex slave to others.
You do not have sex on your terms and you are not free.

You essentially have no personal life or vacation.
Sure you travel but it is hollow.

Money is not the be all and end all.
You parents didn't need a pool to be happy, they need each other and love.
This is what makes the world go around, not money.

If money is number one for you, then take a step back.
Escorting is not a profession that anyone should pursue as a main profession.
No matter where you come from.
It warps your reality of what life is really about it.

Life is about love, family, and living.
Whether you have money is not significant if you have love and family.
Money won't do you any good when you are dead.

You are wrong, there is a million other ways you could have accumulated this money, but you only see the one that is obvious and easy.
Live your own life, not someone elses.
There is no love and companionship in your life, ony sex often with strangers.
I would give anything to have a nice girlfriend or family over a "house for my dogs".

I would have loved to be born in a hut in a poorer country to a loving family.
I could have had a simple life and raised a family and be happy.
I might have less money than I have now but I would be happy.

You seem to think that nobody wants to live your life in Jakarta and that it is a bad life.
It is not a bad life.
If your family knew how you got this money would they agree it was worth it?
The pursuit of wealth is the worlds greatest disease.
It makes people irrational and lonely.

People in third world countries are the happiest people in the world.
It is only our warped society that makes people think otherwise.

I will soon be moving to Thailand or somewhere like that because life is better.
I don't need a whole bunch of money, cause I just don't need it.
Life is about far more than mone, I have some money and that is not what I want in life.

If I end up losing all my money and working in a rice field, there is nothing wrong with that.
I am still living life on my own terms.
thanks

I'm sorry if you are offended Crag, i didn't intend to hurt you.
Yes, there is some truth in your argument.
That's why i know and set my limit until when I will be an escort.
I would say, I will work up to max. 5 years from now, doing it as a full time job, and then retired or semi retired.

There will be a lonely moment for sure, and it is hard to have a real boyfriend and friend when I am on the road, but hey...you forget my point of having 3 to 5 months vacation every year! That's my time to be just myself as a person, surrounded by family and friends.

Anyway, this is my choice....and i have the feeling i'm on the right track as long as i'm not becoming too greedy and become possessed with money.

cheers,
Tia
I

[Tia Phoenixx]

Tia, will you marry me?

good idea. I need a US passport urgently

[ATM]

x

[Ray]

Hey, if you got it, flaunt it.

[Rockheart]

I must question your facts really!

- Success in escorting is comparable to success in life. Few reach the top of the pyramid and the majority struggle climbing! This applies to all paths of life.

- Going to school and getting a degree doesn't guarantee you anything. It is merely a tool that could lead to success but not a guarantee! Are you aware of the many highly educated individuals who are jobless or accepting minimum wages jobs to pay the bills.

- Talking about enslavement, please tell me who is not enslaved these days to their corporation. In fact, the most prestigious professions are the ones where implicit enslavement is rampant.

- Respect: I have never lived to satisfy society standards and any escort that is sensitive to society criticism should quit. We are like politicians. Only the ones with thick skin can survive! Have you ever respected a politician? But the fact of the matter is that they rule at the end!

I would never recommend anyone take up a career in escorting.
It is far more dangerous and unsavoury than any other profession you could name.
I never said that anyone should not do it but I do not recommend it for a life ever!

You deal with low lifes all the time.
Drug user and wasted people.
You run the risk of disease and you ruin a future doing another activity.
Your useful career is limited and the market is growing, subsequently limiting your possible future income.

If escorts actually paid alot of tax they wouldn't think it was so lucrative.
The fact is you get paid more for sex because it is personal and you are giving a little of your soul away.
Also once you give sex, you cannot get it back.
If you can cum 8 times a day and you sell 6 of them, you only have 2 left that day which are not even as good as the first 6.
The fact is most can only do it 2 or 3 times and then have nothing left for a personal life.

I will equate this to being a bartender.
You are always out at the bar, but you are working and wasting time you could be out partying on your own personal time.
You don't have a personal party life because you are off only on Mondays when everything is closed.
As an escort you are sacrificing a portion of your personal life to make money.
Have a relationship as and escorting is pretty shallow from my view.

When you get a job you work 8 hours a day and go home.
Corporations don't control you, you just quit and go to another one that you like better.
Explain how corporations can control you? They make you do work for money but that is all.

I worked for a corporation, I got:
Money,
vacation,
pension,
free food,
free clothes,
unemployment insurance,
disability benefits,
health benefits,
dental benefits,
half price company products .. etc etc.

I am not saying you have to go to school specifically but do something you are interested in, start a business, whatever.
Having sex should be for your personal life, not a business really.
Do escorting to pay for school, transitions, business startup costs whatever.

Have fun when you are young, party and get laid.
You don't need to be sitting in a hotel room in a strange city wondering if anyone will call.
Go to that city on vacation and get out and see the place.
As an escort Travelling is hollow, sex is hollow.

You are a slave to others sexual desires.
You cannot set your own hours in fear of not making money.
Other businesses say they are open certain hours and people adhere to that.
Escorting, if you are not open, you lose the business.
You don't know when it is coming, you just have to wait around.
It interrupts every facet of your life, i know because i have tried to hang out with escorts.
It sucks because no matter the time of day or night they will ditch you for a sudden client.

The fact is in Canada specifically, getting a degree or training does guarantee you a job.
There is such a shortage of skilled workers in every sector and great paying jobs are a dime a dozen.
Learning anything technical is a ticket to unlimited wealth.

The fact is you can make millions at any job.
Start working at Macdonalds when you are 16 and guaranteed you will make millions.

Sure with escorting you may be able to make good money in a short time.
You are wasting your best years and giving a little of your soul each time.
You can make far more money in a short period of time doing other things these days.

[Tia Phoenixx]

First of all, i didn't intend to show off or hurt anybody's feeling, i'm just telling the truth....by being honest...too honest probably.
However, i do realize that, as always, my honestly, can be perceived as being arrogant.
Can't help it.

I'm realistic and logical as well as observant. Based on my solely observation, i have not seen any tgirl escort in the world who does better than me, financially speaking, over the same period of time. Maybe they do exist...but i just have not seen one. And if they really do exist, I truly love to hear their success story. I want to learn about their secret.

There are things that make us successful, and one those things is the willingness to learn from others.
I'm here willing to share my story of my life as an escort, a successful one indeed though it's very challenging.
And for those who don't see the benefit or learn from my story...I simply cannot help it.
But for those who are eager to learn.... and for those tgirls who are still young and innocent...I'm more than happy to lead their way to a better direction.

and one last thing,
Upscale escorts do not see "the low lifes and drug addicts". Majority of our clients are professionals, and trust me, they are better looking and in a better shape than average guys you see on the street. Seriously

anyway, enjoy our Sunday. I've been busy since 8 am this morning. I deserve my mango smoothies for sure!

cheers,

Tia

[xoxJanexox]

Crag, I think that you are confusing the modern concept of private companions (i.e. escorts) with the street hookers. Yes, our business is challenging, could be risky at times but not in the way you portrayed it.

I have declined seeing many client, they were not wasted or drug addicts, but simply because they didn't follow my instructions or were not respectful. Yes, I am not picking boyfriends in this business, but I still have to ensure my safety and well being.

The clients we see vary in terms of the physical and sexual attractiveness. But trust me on this one: I have seen clients that you would accept having them on the TV screen as stars. People think that desperate and loser type of clients are the only one that seek companionship. To the contrary, the majority of the clients I have seen are the executive type of gentlemen (Lawyers, bankers, business men, managers and more).

Yes, our profession is not perfect and not for everyone, but if you got what it takes, it is lucrative. But this applies to all professions in life generally. The reason you see more drama with escorting is that everyone can chime in as it is an underground business.