Rob Ford

[Shyla Wild]

I have been loosely following this situation as it amuses me to watch people judge this man. I really don't understand what the big deal is. He is a leader not a priest...why should what he does on his personal life count? Let's play a game. Since everyone seems so bent out of shape over this; here is the game. It's time to pick a world leader. Everyone must vote. Here are the 3 choices.

Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians and consult with astrologists. He's had two Mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and has never had any extramarital affairs.

Who would you pick?

Based on this most people will pick Candidate C. Here is who these candidates really are:

Candidate A
Candidate B
Candidate C

The answers have been hyperlinked.

Enjoy!

[Locomotion]

I did Nazi this coming...

[xoxJanexox]

Well, this is not the way to frame it Shyla, IMO.

We can also have the leader type who doesn't smoke crack etc. I understand where your argument is coming from, but when someone choose to be at that level of public administration then they must at least maintain some decorum. This is one point.

The other point, which is far worse, is that he "repeatedly lied" about the issue. IMO, he would have had more respect if he came out and admitted the whole issue when it came out initially.

Last, the activity he engaged in is illegal by all means. Officially he could be convicted on this one! This is not similar to a personal matter that is judged by society. It is not like having an affair with another woman etc. Or like Jack Layton and the massage parlor event.

[Guest]

Not worthy of being ousted!

Hi everybody

I was thinking of starting the same type of thread about Rob Ford.

My opinion to this thread is as follows:

Let's get some facts straight about candidate C because the way it's presented, he looks like the best candidate by his description in the forum. However, the truth is, he was a cocaine addict and was injected regularly with amphetamines and morphine and other drugs.
It's been written that his top physician fed him 80 drugs per day in total, including what i've just mentioned.

He was only a vegetarian for the last 4 of his 56 years of life.
Just saying.

As far as Rob Ford is concerned, though. He claims to have smoked crack ONCE, and admitted that he is not an addict. I've seen crack addicts and they are skinny and sickly looking and could never hold an office - they would sell everything and not show up for work. Search for "crackheads" in youtube and see the appearance and behavior of true addicts.

I know many people who drink and drive and have never killed anyone or have had any accidents - i won't get in a car with them, however, if i have another, safer option.

As far as escorts go...who cares.
I'd bet that most of Ottawa's politicians have hired escorts.

Snorting cocaine in a pub?... he denies it. Who's to accuse the guy?
I would bet that many politicians sniff cocaine at the occasional party. Big deal.

As far as drinking himself into a "drunken stupor"...well, some things don't have to be said (that was one of them).

Admitting that he buys illegal drugs?...well, pot is illegal (shouldn't be but it is). Doesn't make pot dangerous. Cocaine yes, heroine yes, crack rocks yes. Pot?...no.
So maybe he smokes a little pot to wind down after a days work at home. Big deal.

From what i've heard about Rob Ford, he's been doing a fine job as mayor before all these recent allegations and admissions.

Why don't they just do a drug test to determine how much drugs are in his system? If he's guilty with high levels of cocaine in his system, get him into therapy and if he refuses or slips back into using, THEN oust him. If not, let him be.

Using foul language on TV (like pussy )...get real. Is it so bad considering all the sudden and negative pressure being put on the poor guy accusing him of hiring escorts or whatever.
They are trying to break him down. I am afraid they will succeed because the public opinion is a great force when it's all against one person. (Hell, i should know all too well about that.)

I really feel sorry for him. He's being fried by the media who needs ratings.

And all the people who would like to take his place are like, "Oh it's disgraceful! He should be OUT of office, blah blah blah blah." Snakes! What can we expect?!
As Rob Ford has said, "No one is perfect", and i add that not even candidate A and B were perfect.

C was the correct letter to assign to candidate C as it is the first letter in the word, cocaine.

I liked Ford's speech that day when he said he was not stepping down.
I cheered for him when he said that. It showed he is in full control of himself - sure of himself. A real addict feeling guilty would have stepped down by now.

Now, i see the foxes and rats at the door literally trying to RUIN the guy, asking him all sorts of questions about his personal life to try to snare him,
Talk about 50 people against one with cameras flashing and microphones held in your face and, and, and, and, the list goes on.
A real addict would have stepped down out of pure paranoia by now.

I hope he gets to keep his office but i doubt that will happen as the public are sheeple who believe the radio and newscasters' propaganda.

Anyway, that's my five cents on the matter.

Babe,

[Guest]

Lying is bad, that's true.

Hi again,

Jane is right when she says Ford screwed up when he lied about it all. I agree with that.

BUT we all lie. Face it.
He did come clean when he saw the video that he initially thought did NOT exist. It would have been worse to have said something like, "Yea, i see that fat guy, but, that's not me!"
A real crack addict would have tried that one.

Babe,

[Ray]

Shyla, you are too much, LOL. And BTW, he looks like he does have a lot to eat at home.

[Shyla Wild]

I forgot...when did honest politicians become the norm? Does he do the job? Is he hurting anyone? Then it's none of anyones business what this man does on his personal time. He obviously has enemies who had nothing on how he did his job. So they attack his character....does anyone really believe the next person will or could do better?

As for it being illegal, Canada leads the world in drug consumption per capita, meaning he is a good representative to the population. Politicians lie all the time. Look at the situation with Bibiane...she claimed to be only escorting for 7 months when questioned by the media.

Where does it end? I stole a pack of gum when I was five...does that make me a thief? Should I be judged on this? People cheat on their taxes, lie on their resume, and cheat on the spouses all the time. It does not make these people thieves, liars, or bad husbands or bad fathers...it just makes them human. Personally, I'd rather have a human running the show, than a puppet.

Lastly, Hitler's drug abuse happened after he was in control of Germany in the late 30s early 40s. Not before. The reason was not to get high and party but to cure chronic eczema, stomach craps and flatulence Remember that at the time, the ill effect of cocaine were not yet know in the late 30s early 40s. It was seen as medicine and could easily be found in cough medicine.

[xoxJanexox]

The issue here is not honesty in the ordinary sense. It is simply a matter of public trust at all levels.

When someone choose to run for a public office, then they should expect that they are going to be judged by the same people who voted for them. Therefore, society in general is the one to set the norms here. If Canadians want to accept that their politicians, mayors and prime ministers smoke crack then let it be.

The issue of honesty here is more complicated. We know that a lot of politicians are not perfect, but when someone repeatedly lie and maintain a denial status, and only admit the facts after the Chief of Police affirms that the video tap is in their possession, then there is a serious issue of trust here.

Is he an addict or not? I simply don't know and at the same time can't rule it out because he simply denied being an addict. He is the same person that repeatedly denied smocking crack at the first place, so why should I believe him now.

If politicians private life is not to be questioned even on seriously illegal issues, then how about if one of them molested a child. it is his private life? Isn't it?

If you were a kid and stole a candy, you were a kid. But if you were an adult and caught stealing and got convicted, then for sure it will follow you if you want to run into politics. Whether the passage of time will make people forget it is a different story. But here we are dealing with a fresh scandal!

Is this scandal being used against him by his opponents? Sure it is, but this is politics, a dog will eat another dog!

[Rockheart]

Well, this is not the way to frame it Shyla, IMO.

We can also have the leader type who doesn't smoke crack etc. I understand where your argument is coming from, but when someone choose to be at that level of public administration then they must at least maintain some decorum. This is one point.

The other point, which is far worse, is that he "repeatedly lied" about the issue. IMO, he would have had more respect if he came out and admitted the whole issue when it came out initially.

Last, the activity he engaged in is illegal by all means. Officially he could be convicted on this one! This is not similar to a personal matter that is judged by society. It is not like having an affair with another woman etc. Or like Jack Layton and the massage parlor event.

How do you know that other people in city hall smoke crack or drink or do anything, you don't.
How do you know he even knew the video existed when he denied it, he probably didn't know it existed.
If you didn't notice people are filming him without his permission in private situations.
This is very low considering it is his friends and colleagues.

Officially he can be convicted for nothing, there is no proof of anything.
They cannot prove what he smoked, they cannot prove he drove drunk, there is nothing to convict him on.
Where is the proof, how do you know exactly what was in his pipe.
If he goes to jail for this, then so should Miley Cyrus and Micheal Phelps who were also on video smoking "something".
If you are going to bust him for weed, then bust the rest of Canada too, they have about as much evidence on all of us.

I forgot...when did honest politicians become the norm? Does he do the job? Is he hurting anyone? Then it's none of anyones business what this man does on his personal time. He obviously has enemies who had nothing on how he did his job. So they attack his character....does anyone really believe the next person will or could do better?

As for it being illegal, Canada leads the world in drug consumption per capita, meaning he is a good representative to the population. Politicians lie all the time. Look at the situation with Bibiane...she claimed to be only escorting for 7 months when questioned by the media.

Where does it end? I stole a pack of gum when I was five...does that make me a thief? Should I be judged on this? People cheat on their taxes, lie on their resume, and cheat on the spouses all the time. It does not make these people thieves, liars, or bad husbands or bad fathers...it just makes them human. Personally, I'd rather have a human running the show, than a puppet.

Lastly, Hitler's drug abuse happened after he was in control of Germany in the late 30s early 40s. Not before. The reason was not to get high and party but to cure chronic eczema, stomach craps and flatulence Remember that at the time, the ill effect of cocaine were not yet know in the late 30s early 40s. It was seen as medicine and could easily be found in cough medicine.

Ford is one of the hardest working people in City Hall. This has nothing to do with how good of a mayor he is.
In fact his personal actions have little to do with his job.
Perhaps he was a little tipsy at public events.

The issue here is not honesty in the ordinary sense. It is simply a matter of public trust at all levels.

When someone choose to run for a public office, then they should expect that they are going to be judged by the same people who voted for them. Therefore, society in general is the one to set the norms here. If Canadians want to accept that their politicians, mayors and prime ministers smoke crack then let it be.

The issue of honesty here is more complicated. We know that a lot of politicians are not perfect, but when someone repeatedly lie and maintain a denial status, and only admit the facts after the Chief of Police affirms that the video tap is in their possession, then there is a serious issue of trust here.

Is he an addict or not? I simply don't know and at the same time can't rule it out because he simply denied being an addict. He is the same person that repeatedly denied smocking crack at the first place, so why should I believe him now.

If politicians private life is not to be questioned even on seriously illegal issues, then how about if one of them molested a child. it is his private life? Isn't it?

If you were a kid and stole a candy, you were a kid. But if you were an adult and caught stealing and got convicted, then for sure it will follow you if you want to run into politics. Whether the passage of time will make people forget it is a different story. But here we are dealing with a fresh scandal!

Is this scandal being used against him by his opponents? Sure it is, but this is politics, a dog will eat another dog!

Most of the people judging him, did not vote for him.
This is an orchestrated smear campaign.
Ford should not have gone head to head with the Toronto Star.
The Toronto Star has nothing to lose and can buy Rob Ford's demise.
Plus they get a great story to boot.

If your friends and associates can be paid off to expose your very private moments.
Then you are screwed. That is what happened here.

Rob Ford was popular and was successful with his mandate.
The opposition hated this.
They are taking him down.

He was elected democratically and should stay in until voted out.
He has been convicted of no crimes and has done his job well.

It is city councils and others that are causing the city work to grind to a halt.
Ford is willing to work, but they won't let him.
Complete bullshit.

The most recent allegation is that he had an assistant buy some personal toilet paper on company time.
This is the worst actual professional blunder they can find?
They are grasping at straws.

What a joke of a democracy we have.

[Tgirlsoncall.com]

people will go with c but c has the most deep dark secrets..

Cop at day
killer at night

[xoxJanexox]

Crag,

I don't think that you are making the best argument to defend Rob Ford and here are the reasons:

Rob Ford smoked crack and he admitted that, he could have maintained his "big lie" and said that the video is fabricated etc. or as you said he didn't actually smoked crack. Guess what, this guy has a team of lawyers who must have convinced him to say the truth after the Chief of Police affirmed the existence and "content" of the tape.

Rob Ford "repeatedly" lied about the fact he smoked crack. This is a major public trust issue. Yes politicians are corrupted on average, but as long they keep their shit away, the public is not aware. You might be a father of kids at home and no one would know about your personal life, but if you smoked crack privately and one day one of your sons recorded you with a recording camera, then spend the rest of your life convincing him not to smoke crack or even attempt to play the father model with him. Guess what, you will get a pathetic look from your son!

I have said it in initial post and I will repeat it, if Canadians will let go on this one, then it would establish a precedent for others. Do you know what it is the difference between Nigeria and Canada? Both have corrupted politicians, but in Canada politicians are held accountable to the public.

Last, please see John Stewart comments on this issue and don't get angry as a "Torontorian"

PS. BTW, I love guys from Toronto including Rob Ford but not as Mayor! He would be an awesome client as I guess he would be an excellent tipper!

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpBOCa0-mTs!

[zipperzon]

At most jobs you can expect to be fired if you:
- Regularly leave work early, miss meetings altogether or leave meetings early to coach high school football
- On several occasions show up intoxicated at events where you are representing your employer, some of which you were supposed to give speeches at
- Use work resources and man-power for personal purposes (in Ford's case the most obvious having staff help him coach football during working hours)
- Ignore workplace rules (in Ford's case election financing, using office resources for soliciting donations)
- Out of incompetence or self-interest regularly mis-represent the facts around issues in an attempt to sway the public and your co-workers to your agenda
- Admit to breaking the law during work hours, going drinking in the park with your friend during work hours
- Refusing to attend functions that you disagree with for personal reasons (despite being encouraged by allies and opponents alike Ford shuns events such a pride)
- Using inappropriate language and creating a spectacle of yourself while being interviewed on live television

That's just the things Ford has done I can think of off the top of my head that would get most people fired.

Despite all that and my feelings that he is a horrible mayor I wasn't in favor of him being removed or stepping down until he started talking about eating pussy on television, for me that was the straw that broke the camels back. When you are a public official and the head of any organization whether it be government or a private company you need to be able to show at least a little bit of judgement when talking to the media, he's supposed to be representing the people of Toronto, and his language and interactions with the media are completely inappropriate.

As far as him being a good mayor or doing a good job, the only people who believe that are either misinformed or delusional. His political career is based on greatly exaggerating or out right lying about his accomplishments and exacerbating the tension between various regions of Toronto.

Again just off the top of my head, some of his 'accomplishments' and untruths:
- His whole campaign was based on his 'stop the gravy train' slogan, saying there was 1 billion of waste at city hall that could be cut without any changes to city services. Brought in external auditors after being elected and they basically found nothing.
- Saved the city 1 billion dollars, another bunch of bs, he loves that 1 billion number, some of the ways he comes up with this number... he cut some taxes, so those count as savings, he increased user fees and some other taxes, those also count as savings, that is some interesting math.
- Improved the cities credit rating... Toronto has had the same credit rating for years under numerous mayors
- Reduced the city budget... no, it's increased every year he's been in office, although at a small rate so I guess if we assume this is all his doing, that is a valid accomplishment
- Taxes are lower than ever... nope they are higher than under the previous mayor
- And his latest accomplishment, canceling a fully funded (including operating costs) 7 stop LRT line on which work had already been started with a much more expensive 3 stop subway despite planning experts indicating the LRT was the more appropriate solution. 87 million dollars wasted in sunk costs plus whatever costs are going to be associated with canceling of contracts for the LRT, means a property tax hike is necessary. Again a bunch of lies and mis-truths around this issue, he claimed the LRT would take out roads and interfere with car traffic causing more congestion than there currently is, which is completely not true as the LRT line was to be completely separated from the road. Basically he sold the city a more costly and less effective transit line so that he could drum up support in the suburbs by conning them into thinking that they were going to get screwed by city council and that he swooped in and gave them what they deserve, a subway, not an LRT which as we all know runs right down the middle of the road and is just a fancy name for a street-car.

His strategies do seem to work thou, I guess the saying a sucker is born every minute is true... and they all live in Toronto and vote for Rob Ford!

[Shyla Wild]

At most jobs you can expect to be fired if you:
- Regularly leave work early, miss meetings altogether or leave meetings early to coach high school football
- On several occasions show up intoxicated at events where you are representing your employer, some of which you were supposed to give speeches at
- Use work resources and man-power for personal purposes (in Ford's case the most obvious having staff help him coach football during working hours)
- Ignore workplace rules (in Ford's case election financing, using office resources for soliciting donations)
- Out of incompetence or self-interest regularly mis-represent the facts around issues in an attempt to sway the public and your co-workers to your agenda
- Admit to breaking the law during work hours, going drinking in the park with your friend during work hours
- Refusing to attend functions that you disagree with for personal reasons (despite being encouraged by allies and opponents alike Ford shuns events such a pride)
- Using inappropriate language and creating a spectacle of yourself while being interviewed on live television

That's just the things Ford has done I can think of off the top of my head that would get most people fired.

lol, you know the more I get into politics the more I think this is true....

I think guys in politics are just...you know, either retarded or high...
Remember this guy? Watch 3:20-3:31...that says it all about politics
3:50 is about Rob Ford.

[Rockheart]

Crag,

I don't think that you are making the best argument to defend Rob Ford and here are the reasons:

Rob Ford smoked crack and he admitted that, he could have maintained his "big lie" and said that the video is fabricated etc. or as you said he didn't actually smoked crack. Guess what, this guy has a team of lawyers who must have convinced him to say the truth after the Chief of Police affirmed the existence and "content" of the tape.

Rob Ford "repeatedly" lied about the fact he smoked crack. This is a major public trust issue. Yes politicians are corrupted on average, but as long they keep their shit away, the public is not aware. You might be a father of kids at home and no one would know about your personal life, but if you smoked crack privately and one day one of your sons recorded you with a recording camera, then spend the rest of your life convincing him not to smoke crack or even attempt to play the father model with him. Guess what, you will get a pathetic look from your son!

I have said it in initial post and I will repeat it, if Canadians will let go on this one, then it would establish a precedent for others. Do you know what it is the difference between Nigeria and Canada? Both have corrupted politicians, but in Canada politicians are held accountable to the public.

Last, please see John Stewart comments on this issue and don't get angry as a "Torontorian"

PS. BTW, I love guys from Toronto including Rob Ford but not as Mayor! He would be an awesome client as I guess he would be an excellent tipper!

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpBOCa0-mTs!

I am defending Rob Ford because this all just a bullshit attack.

You said he could be arrested for something, I say he cannot.
There is no proof of ANYTHING illegal to arrest him for,period.
Prove to me what is in his pipe, or prove to me anything he did illegal.

The worst misappropriation of office they can find is that one of his assistants picked up toilet paper for Fords personal ass wiping. This is what they are accusing him of? This is his worst actual offense on the job? What a joke!

He smoked crack, so what?
It is mostly people that know nothing about drugs that are making a big deal about this.

This has little to do with Canadians other than Toronto is in Canada.
However Canadian democracy as we know it is in trouble here.

I am offended by you calling Ford a corrupt politician.
He is not. Almost all of this has to do with his personal activities.
And most of what was revealed was from his friends and associates selling him out for MONEY!

As far as the Mayors job, Rob Ford did nothing wrong.
He did not steal, he showed up for work and he did his job.

The rest of this stuff is a railroad job by his opposers, of which there is many.

This has nothing to do with what his kids think or what any kids think.

This has to do with him doing his job, which he did.
The rest of this stuff is blown out of proportion by stodgy people.

This is a travesty of democracy.
Just wait, now everyone will try to throw politicians out.

No Ontario's old Dyke is threatening to help out.
The province has no place here, that old hag premier should just butt out.

Complete left wing bullshit.
I will never support the left wing again after this bullshit attack.

[Rockheart]

At most jobs you can expect to be fired if you:
- Regularly leave work early, miss meetings altogether or leave meetings early to coach high school football
- On several occasions show up intoxicated at events where you are representing your employer, some of which you were supposed to give speeches at
- Use work resources and man-power for personal purposes (in Ford's case the most obvious having staff help him coach football during working hours)
- Ignore workplace rules (in Ford's case election financing, using office resources for soliciting donations)
- Out of incompetence or self-interest regularly mis-represent the facts around issues in an attempt to sway the public and your co-workers to your agenda
- Admit to breaking the law during work hours, going drinking in the park with your friend during work hours
- Refusing to attend functions that you disagree with for personal reasons (despite being encouraged by allies and opponents alike Ford shuns events such a pride)
- Using inappropriate language and creating a spectacle of yourself while being interviewed on live television

That's just the things Ford has done I can think of off the top of my head that would get most people fired.

Despite all that and my feelings that he is a horrible mayor I wasn't in favor of him being removed or stepping down until he started talking about eating pussy on television, for me that was the straw that broke the camels back. When you are a public official and the head of any organization whether it be government or a private company you need to be able to show at least a little bit of judgement when talking to the media, he's supposed to be representing the people of Toronto, and his language and interactions with the media are completely inappropriate.

As far as him being a good mayor or doing a good job, the only people who believe that are either misinformed or delusional. His political career is based on greatly exaggerating or out right lying about his accomplishments and exacerbating the tension between various regions of Toronto.

Again just off the top of my head, some of his 'accomplishments' and untruths:
- His whole campaign was based on his 'stop the gravy train' slogan, saying there was 1 billion of waste at city hall that could be cut without any changes to city services. Brought in external auditors after being elected and they basically found nothing.
- Saved the city 1 billion dollars, another bunch of bs, he loves that 1 billion number, some of the ways he comes up with this number... he cut some taxes, so those count as savings, he increased user fees and some other taxes, those also count as savings, that is some interesting math.
- Improved the cities credit rating... Toronto has had the same credit rating for years under numerous mayors
- Reduced the city budget... no, it's increased every year he's been in office, although at a small rate so I guess if we assume this is all his doing, that is a valid accomplishment
- Taxes are lower than ever... nope they are higher than under the previous mayor
- And his latest accomplishment, canceling a fully funded (including operating costs) 7 stop LRT line on which work had already been started with a much more expensive 3 stop subway despite planning experts indicating the LRT was the more appropriate solution. 87 million dollars wasted in sunk costs plus whatever costs are going to be associated with canceling of contracts for the LRT, means a property tax hike is necessary. Again a bunch of lies and mis-truths around this issue, he claimed the LRT would take out roads and interfere with car traffic causing more congestion than there currently is, which is completely not true as the LRT line was to be completely separated from the road. Basically he sold the city a more costly and less effective transit line so that he could drum up support in the suburbs by conning them into thinking that they were going to get screwed by city council and that he swooped in and gave them what they deserve, a subway, not an LRT which as we all know runs right down the middle of the road and is just a fancy name for a street-car.

His strategies do seem to work thou, I guess the saying a sucker is born every minute is true... and they all live in Toronto and vote for Rob Ford!

Sorry, but every professional on salary usually has the freedom to leave work early to do things like childrens events and coaching childrens activities. Ford is not on an hourly wage, so i do not know how you can hold him to a different standard than anyone else. He was in city hall lots and doing his job and you know it. Do you know how many times other councillors left early? No you don't, you are just picking on Rob Ford. He goes to events nightly as part of work, don't you think he should have some freedom to do personal things or volunteer things during the day? Every professional job allows things like this.

A couple times he was noticed to be tipsy, but no doctor proved it or he was not sent to the police.
Sometimes people drink, sometimes they are tired or both.
I would bet that Ford attends 200 or more events a year on his same salary.
He has been seen possibly drunk a couple times, how is this a fair judgement.
So a guy that probably puts in 100 hours or more a week on his shitty wage, and you guys attack him over one or two incidents?
What a smear campaign over nothing.

You are just grasping at straws. Coaching football is volunteering with children.
If he used a few city resources to help out childrens activities, and this is what you are attacking him for?
Helping children? OMG what a monster!
Show me some real misappropriation, this is such a joke. This is the best you people can do.

Ignore workplace rules, really? Every politician campaigns in office.
He raised money for charity and you are calling his a flaw or illegal or wrong?
Charity is never wrong in any workplace.
Grasping at straws again.

Trying to sway co-workers and others to your agenda?
This what politicians do, they have an agenda and they use it to get voted in.
Now you are just making stuff up. Show me one mayor on earth that does not do this.

Breaking law during work hours?
Drinking during work hours is not against the law.
Going to the park with your friend is not against the law.
Where are you getting the BS from?
Again Ford is on a Salary, he is often expected to work 18 hours a day with events.
Anyone with this type of job should be allowed to take off during the day.
He is not allowed lunch break or anything in your books, it appears.

Refusing to attend functions?
There is no reason he has to March in Pride.
It is an event in Toronto but it is not far reaching event where all are included.
It does not celebrate a cultural event it celebrates people who like to have unconventional sex with each other.
There is no reason he has to march.
In fact people are telling him they don't want him at their events, if he doesn't seem to have a choice in your mind, why should they be able to stop him?

Ford is a colourful character, this is still no reason to kick him out.
I can name hundreds of colourful policitians.

Why don't you just say YOU don't like him.
None of this stuff is grounds for what is happening.

Sorry but Ford did not start the pussy talk.
People that don't like him are making stuff up, they said it first, he is just repeating it.
You don't like him, we get it, but all of this is esoteric.
You back someone into a corner and poke sticks at him, this is what you get.

Now to get into the money thing, I am not sure why you are making up hearsay off the top of your head.
It is not facts and it is mostly wrong and biased by your hatred for Ford.

Under Ford’s watch — and with the disciplined leadership of Del Grande — a total of $360-million in permanent savings have been found in the first two budgets. The budget hole has been reduced to $200-million with promises from Del Grande to apply an equal amount of discipline to the 2013 budget.
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/25...in-money-saved

The other things is savings Ford implemented may not be recognized during his term.
So future Mayors will get the benefit of his work, while pretending they did it.
The fact is previous mayors handed Ford a fiscal mess.

• $200-million from cancelling the vehicle-registration tax.
• $6.4-million from cutting expense budgets of city councillors and the mayor’s office.
• $78-million from contracting out garbage collection west of Yonge Street.
• $606-million from various “efficiencies” ($57-million in the 2011 budget, $327-million in 2012 and $222-million in 2013).
• $89-million from a streamlined labour contract with city employees.
• $24-million from higher user fees.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle12915419/
http://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto/r...al_record.html

You don't seem to understand his opposition to LRT.
The LRT is taking away space for extra lanes of the road.
Sure the LRT runs down the middle, however 2 extra lanes could be put in that space.
Those people do deserve a subway, whether you think so or not.
Why should they have to compromise.
Above ground transportation has addtional costs such as traffic concerns and addtional clogging of traffic.
In fact when bike lanes are pushing out Car lanes, they need this space, going underground is the best idea.
Now they can have enough bike lanes and car lanes.

How are people that support Ford's policies suckers?
Explain exactly how they are getting sucked in and ripped off.

All you do is attack based on hearsay.
You are not covering all the issues, you are just picking ones that are good for you.

The fact is this guy was hard working and followed the mandate he set out to, whether you like it or not.
No where can I see that he stole money, ripped off taxpayers or was convicted of a crime?

So let me see, Toronto has the lowest property taxes in the Country and some of the lowest in North America and you are complaining about this. Ford is committed to keeping Taxes low, and has done that. Maybe they aren't the lowest every but they are very low. The fact also is the cuts that Ford has made will make taxes in the future lower for sure. He will just not get the credit. In fact, you are blaming him for a tax load that is the responsibility of a previous mayor.

All of this is that your moral compass feels off.

Ford is a good mayor period.
If you people want to lynch him because you don't like his personality, go to it.
I don't think you can find a harder working or more fiscally honest person.
The guy is truly working for the taxpayers.
However all you guys care about is some minor BS that has been blown up into something it is not.

The police chief is biased and playing games.
This is a clear sign of a Coup de tat.