Tia Phoenixx: "Tranny Mafia" does exist!- my real experience

[xoxJanexox]

Anyway, I do not see how this is any different than Canada.
If you go to Ottawa or Edmonton especially, it seems you will get attacked in many ways.
This is the local crew trying to run you off.

Just curious, what is special about Ottawa? No special forums for t-girls.
Do you mean the over all conservative atmosphere?

[Tia Phoenixx]

It is pretty simple to me.

That board is founded and moderated and frequented by Tgirls from New York City.
So it is not surprising to me at all that this would happen. I wouldn't call it a Mafia, rather a local union in a way.
I believe the forum is still run by them but now owned by Grooby, which is a new development.

I don't post there much because it seems if you post anything, you are subject to attack from all the shemales there.
So you have to be careful what you post there.

Anyway, I do not see how this is any different than Canada.
If you go to Ottawa or Edmonton especially, it seems you will get attacked in many ways.
This is the local crew trying to run you off.

Since NYC is the biggest city, they have the biggest forum and the most tgirls that want you to stay a away.
The only difference on this board, is it is not influenced or controlled by any escorts.
There is some built in control over this too.

Seems to me you have this problem often, not?
Maybe it is just a fact of life, if you are travelling.

You said it all. Yes, that's true. The difference is that you, as admin and one of the moderators do not involved. But the moderator, well the NYC moderator to be more precise, involves in this dirty game.

I'm ok being attacked since I will fight back. But if the moderator is clearly on their side and will modify everything to jeopardize my name, than i will be mad. I didn't take it seriously before, but once the moderator involves..i start taking it more seriously.


so again, yes i'm used to be attacked. You can see me being attacked here, in USA, Greece, France, New Zealand, and U.A.E.


C'est la vie. You said it too: that;s the fact of life. but I won;t give up. the more they attack me...the more I will prove it that i will be better than them...at least...i try my best

[Crossover1]

Tia, there is no winning on a message board. It may take you years to know it or maybe you already do. If it's not the moderators, who are usually small-minded computer nerds with no sense of proportion, it's the mob mentality and the fact that an argument is never settled until everyone decides it is, unlike the real world where everyone just agrees in real time who wins or loses and then raises their glasses or goes home.

Yes many men don't want their (paid) women to be heard, and the world of trannies is already one of hissyfits and hormonal rage. It's one big soup of arguing and fighting. I used to come here and HA, but both places I avoid generally and believe in brief visits to keep myself sane. Pity the girls who need the boards to drum up business.

One day soon the industry will mature and girls will avoid any public discussions of themselves and simply count on men who want them to be lovely and sweet and interesting in the room, but not on message boards.

[xoxJanexox]

Yes many men don't want their (paid) women to be heard, and the world of trannies is already one of hissyfits and hormonal rage. It's one big soup of arguing and fighting. I used to come here and HA, but both places I avoid generally and believe in brief visits to keep myself sane. Pity the girls who need the boards to drum up business.

Agree with the last sentence very much.

One day soon the industry will mature and girls will avoid any public discussions of themselves and simply count on men who want them to be lovely and sweet and interesting in the room, but not on message boards.

This depends on the type of clientele. Those who are seeking short visits (1 hr) are mainly interested in the flesh. Those who are seeking companionship, in a addition, would like to have a glimpse at the girl before the rendez-vous. Longer sessions are way more about what is outside the bedroom.

[Rockheart]

Just curious, what is special about Ottawa? No special forums for t-girls.
Do you mean the over all conservative atmosphere?

For some reason in the years I have been doing this Ottawa is one of the worst places for protectionism.

Police are called, hotels are informed, travelling escorts are threatened, harassed, bothered, cheated, and generally make trouble for tgirls visiting there.

Just an observation, not saying any forum is involved.

[Rockheart]

You said it all. Yes, that's true. The difference is that you, as admin and one of the moderators do not involved. But the moderator, well the NYC moderator to be more precise, involves in this dirty game.

I'm ok being attacked since I will fight back. But if the moderator is clearly on their side and will modify everything to jeopardize my name, than i will be mad. I didn't take it seriously before, but once the moderator involves..i start taking it more seriously.


so again, yes i'm used to be attacked. You can see me being attacked here, in USA, Greece, France, New Zealand, and U.A.E.


C'est la vie. You said it too: that;s the fact of life. but I won;t give up. the more they attack me...the more I will prove it that i will be better than them...at least...i try my best

This is what i am saying, here there is not escorts controlling the board.

Most likely on that board the powers are local escorts.

What I am saying is you make it personal to you, which it is not.
Most escorts that I have talked to have this problem all over the place, just like you.
If you don't take it personally and just understand it is part of the business, you life will be much happier.

In fact, in a world where escorts are all licensed and regulated, you would have a very hard time travelling around.
You could have a very hard time getting licenses as you travel because the local providers already will control the pool of licenses.
Only so many legal escorts would be allowed in a certain city or jurisdiction.

You could get a special permit to work there if you could show a job you had been hired for, or a special talent that no one else in that city cannot provide. If you are not providing anything special or different you are just cutting into the locals profits, not creating new customers for yourself.

Also in a legal world the tax department would probably not allow travelling expenses because there is no real reason for you to travel unless you can provide something the local escorts can't. Why should you be able to deduct expense to fly to NYC when they already have lots of escorts that can do exactly what you can.

In the old world there wasn't tgirls everywhere and you could travel places and be the only game in town.
This has changed, there is more and more TS coming onto the escort scene and now every place has tgirls, for the most part.
You will find that there is more and more trouble when you visit places, because there is more and more tgirls working.
In truth now, you are cutting into their business, not the other way around.
You cannot say locals are cutting into your business, because you are the invader, outsider or however you like to frame it.
This is now their territory, it doesn't matter if you have been there before.
You are coming and taking their clients and profits.

Expect it more and more.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Tia, there is no winning on a message board. It may take you years to know it or maybe you already do. If it's not the moderators, who are usually small-minded computer nerds with no sense of proportion, it's the mob mentality and the fact that an argument is never settled until everyone decides it is, unlike the real world where everyone just agrees in real time who wins or loses and then raises their glasses or goes home.

Yes many men don't want their (paid) women to be heard, and the world of trannies is already one of hissyfits and hormonal rage. It's one big soup of arguing and fighting. I used to come here and HA, but both places I avoid generally and believe in brief visits to keep myself sane. Pity the girls who need the boards to drum up business.

One day soon the industry will mature and girls will avoid any public discussions of themselves and simply count on men who want them to be lovely and sweet and interesting in the room, but not on message boards.

I agree with you to some extend hon.
Unfortunately I have to post here and there since it is part of my marketing strategy, but there are good people out there too...therefore actually a role of moderator is crucial. They have to limit and if necessary ban those who make the board like this become a scumbag fool of skunks if you know what i mean.

and your last sentence:"One day soon the industry will mature and girls will avoid any public discussions of themselves and simply count on men who want them to be lovely and sweet and interesting in the room, but not on message boards"

Gosh..i wish i could agree with this statement. Unfortunately, I have to market myself well in order to be "heard" by potential clients all over the globe.
Remember that i'm a traveling girl, not a local girl. It's a challenging task to conquer the local market since the local clients have already had their favorite girls. Therefore, one of my strategy to conquer the market is by my online persona and presence. It simply means that i have to post often in the board like this for the whole world to see and read what i have expressed and written. They may or may not like what i read in the forum like this or on my facebook account. But for those who like it, they will call me once i arrive in their city.

Unlike most girls who work in this industry. Not only i sell my body and face, but I also sell my personality, charm and intelligence. That's why Toban calls me a courtesan. Love that term!

Nevertheless my time is limited. I'm, like everybody else, getting older, and as you (and Crag below) just stated that the market will be tougher in the future, thus it will limit my market and potential income. this is my last opportunity.

Another reason to be a post op, it is part of my strategic decisions.
You see, if you read my blog entryhttp://www.tia-phoenixx.com/blog?page=2 . I did not say this on it, but i already foresee that the future market will be more segmented thus it will be harder for me to penetrate the new market in the future. I may just become a woman and marry one of my boyfriends lol
I'm going to call Chris Evans soon lol....(joke!)

[Tia Phoenixx]

For some reason in the years I have been doing this Ottawa is one of the worst places for protectionism.

Police are called, hotels are informed, travelling escorts are threatened, harassed, bothered, cheated, and generally make trouble for tgirls visiting there.

Just an observation, not saying any forum is involved.

How do you know that...it seems you are an expert.

I'm embarrassed to say this: I got kicked out from Ottawa few years ago. I got called from a hotel manager and he asked me to leave the hotel.

I was pissed of course, but i left anyway to avoid unnecessary drama

[Tia Phoenixx]

This is what i am saying, here there is not escorts controlling the board.

Most likely on that board the powers are local escorts.

What I am saying is you make it personal to you, which it is not.
Most escorts that I have talked to have this problem all over the place, just like you.
If you don't take it personally and just understand it is part of the business, you life will be much happier.

In fact, in a world where escorts are all licensed and regulated, you would have a very hard time travelling around.
You could have a very hard time getting licenses as you travel because the local providers already will control the pool of licenses.
Only so many legal escorts would be allowed in a certain city or jurisdiction.

You could get a special permit to work there if you could show a job you had been hired for, or a special talent that no one else in that city cannot provide. If you are not providing anything special or different you are just cutting into the locals profits, not creating new customers for yourself.

Also in a legal world the tax department would probably not allow travelling expenses because there is no real reason for you to travel unless you can provide something the local escorts can't. Why should you be able to deduct expense to fly to NYC when they already have lots of escorts that can do exactly what you can.

In the old world there wasn't tgirls everywhere and you could travel places and be the only game in town.
This has changed, there is more and more TS coming onto the escort scene and now every place has tgirls, for the most part.
You will find that there is more and more trouble when you visit places, because there is more and more tgirls working.
In truth now, you are cutting into their business, not the other way around.
You cannot say locals are cutting into your business, because you are the invader, outsider or however you like to frame it.
This is now their territory, it doesn't matter if you have been there before.
You are coming and taking their clients and profits.

Expect it more and more.

it's time to be a real woman for me lol. Check my explanation above.

[Crossover1]

I agree with you to some extend hon.
Unfortunately I have to post here and there since it is part of my marketing strategy, but there are good people out there too...therefore actually a role of moderator is crucial. They have to limit and if necessary ban those who make the board like this become a scumbag fool of skunks if you know what i mean.

and your last sentence:"One day soon the industry will mature and girls will avoid any public discussions of themselves and simply count on men who want them to be lovely and sweet and interesting in the room, but not on message boards"

Gosh..i wish i could agree with this statement. Unfortunately, I have to market myself well in order to be "heard" by potential clients all over the globe.
Remember that i'm a traveling girl, not a local girl. It's a challenging task to conquer the local market since the local clients have already had their favorite girls. Therefore, one of my strategy to conquer the market is by my online persona and presence. It simply means that i have to post often in the board like this for the whole world to see and read what i have expressed and written. They may or may not like what i read in the forum like this or on my facebook account. But for those who like it, they will call me once i arrive in their city.

Unlike most girls who work in this industry. Not only i sell my body and face, but I also sell my personality, charm and intelligence. That's why Toban calls me a courtesan. Love that term!

Nevertheless my time is limited. I'm, like everybody else, getting older, and as you (and Crag below) just stated that the market will be tougher in the future, thus it will limit my market and potential income. this is my last opportunity.

Another reason to be a post op, it is part of my strategic decisions.
You see, if you read my blog entryhttp://www.tia-phoenixx.com/blog?page=2 . I did not say this on it, but i already foresee that the future market will be more segmented thus it will be harder for me to penetrate the new market in the future. I may just become a woman and marry one of my boyfriends lol
I'm going to call Chris Evans soon lol....(joke!)

Hey make hay while the sun shines. It's a complicated game to market yourself on the boards, I admit. There are a few enlightened people on every board, and then there's the knuckle draggers and people who treat anyone who charges money as a cheap trick to be diminished and haggled over. I don't think the current outlets (including this one) properly reflect the ideals of trans escorts. There will come a time, and I might even create it myself, when INFORMATION technology properly created, will bring together escorts and clients in a much more efficient way than is done now.

As you know Tia, at the end of the day most men want you to be their fantasy, and yet we exist as humans in many dimensions, not just sexual or fantastical. Reality intrudes. Myself I like having fully formed humans as my sex partners, accepting all their rough and smooth contours the same. But most are not like that. They prefer their cartoonish fantasies come to life. So when someone like you has strong opinions, most men run for cover. In the end, people pay money to escape the daily bitching and fighting that goes on in regular life.

I think Craig's analysis is, as usual, completely wrong. There is fact not enough supply and too much demand for tgirls. There's big money to be made in many corners of the market, and a girl for every niche. Most of my tgirl friends are making $20k a month without even working hard. Shemale fan communities are exploding, tgirls are becoming quasi-stars. The market is huge and growing. Craig's position is that there's only so much to go around, which is nonsense, because the market and appetite for tranny escorts is EXPLODING.

I know a pleasant and lovely girl who doesn't go near the boards and would hardly be called exceptional by most men (I disagree, think she's gorgeous) who is making $10k a week! No need for the boards! Just supremely good body, a really humble personality and exceptional cock-sucking skills.

As for the "courtesan" term, if you want to market yourself as a courtesan, start charging $1000 for two hours min. It's a strategy that has worked very well for a few girls I know on TERB (they also travel). They aren't exceptionally attractive, but they offer a detailed and terrific prostate massage as part of their service. Men always pay for what is considered shameful or not accepted. I've looked at your profile and pics and you could easily charge $1000 per session. There are always two or three men in any city at any given time on any given night that will pay that rate FOR DISCRETION ALONE.

I've always said that if I could teach most tgirl escorts the massage and prostate techniques that I've learned from my masters, their salary would quadruple.

I think your strategy of marketing is incomplete and one-dimensional when it could be so much more. I admire what you're doing, but with your looks and body, you should be making $300k-$500k a year (if you're not now). There has never been a better time to be a trans escort. The money is flowing, the world is a little more accepting, and men are discovering that the third sex is the perfect confluence of male and female energies, and they'll pay for the form as flesh. "Tranny mafia" is nonsense. There's always blowback and competition wherever cash money is flowing. Big business brings big ballast.

[Tia Phoenixx]

as usual interesting input Crossover1!
Let me highlight some of you statements and ask some questions, so our discussion will be clearer and not "all over the place":

1. You: There will come a time, and I might even create it myself, when INFORMATION technology properly created, will bring together escorts and clients in a much more efficient way than is done now.

me:
I plan to retire within 5 years from now. I'm no longer 17 to wait that technology to come on this market. I don't foresee it to come in the next 5 years. I foresee it the other way around. As I stated, the market will be more segmented, there are more and more countries will legalize and decriminalize escorting as a profession. There are more and more tgirls on the market, and only few, those who are attractive and have good communication skills and know how to treat their clients, will survive. Very few will thrive in this industry. Check out Germany and Holland. More and more countries will be like that. I have some friends who work as escort and they are doing fine, but again, since it is legalize and there is at least one girl in every block, they, by far, don't earn what i earn. But they are comfortable, and they have a partner.

That's actually my future plan to become one of them: to be a local escort, staying in one city, so i have time to socialize thus hopefully have a real social life, real friends, and real partner.
Now i'm all over the place. The money is good though. You mention about the income bracket that i'm supposed to have. Hell yes, i work so hard lol. I even deserve to earn more than that lol.

2. You: when someone like you has strong opinions, most men run for cover. In the end, people pay money to escape the daily bitching and fighting that goes on in regular life.

me: totally agree. Men, especially those who are busy, need assurance that when they come to see an escort, they will have a great time.
I have solid reviews all over the place, i enjoy the company of men, i love to please them, and i love sex too. that's why i'm still here.
I have strong opinions, thus those who come to see me, are those who are self confident and superior in their life. the alpha males type. Or those who like being in control for a moment and let me lead the session. However, since i'm Asian, slim, and feminine...there are men who come simply to fuck me (hemm....this is what i like best of course lol )

3. You:
I think Craig's analysis is, as usual, completely wrong. There is fact not enough supply and too much demand for tgirls. There's big money to be made in many corners of the market, and a girl for every niche. Most of my tgirl friends are making $20k a month without even working hard. Shemale fan communities are exploding, tgirls are becoming quasi-stars. The market is huge and growing. Craig's position is that there's only so much to go around, which is nonsense, because the market and appetite for tranny escorts is EXPLODING.

me: I disagree. Though the market is absolutely growing, only some tgirls earn more than 100K a year, and very few who earn more than 200K, and it's a rarity to earn 300K or more a year. If you look at Eros, those girls are professionals and most of them earn more than 100K. However, if you look at backpage or SMC, then you know that some to most girls just do it part time, and won;t get that much income as an escort.

4. You: I think your strategy of marketing is incomplete and one-dimensional when it could be so much more.

me: save the best for last! I'm so looking forward to hearing your opinion and advice on this one. Tell me how to be one of those girls you mention: don't work that hard but earn $10K a week. Mama mia....i will love to have that.
However, yes i plan to charge more the moment i'm no longer working full time, since as you mention, i have the quality of a courtesan.


Tia

[rider014]

Any Clients views?

As a prospective client myself, I'm just wondering if there are any opinions regarding the whole"supply and demand" issue from a client's point of view?

[Rockheart]

Tia, there is no winning on a message board. It may take you years to know it or maybe you already do. If it's not the moderators, who are usually small-minded computer nerds with no sense of proportion, it's the mob mentality and the fact that an argument is never settled until everyone decides it is, unlike the real world where everyone just agrees in real time who wins or loses and then raises their glasses or goes home.

Yes many men don't want their (paid) women to be heard, and the world of trannies is already one of hissyfits and hormonal rage. It's one big soup of arguing and fighting. I used to come here and HA, but both places I avoid generally and believe in brief visits to keep myself sane. Pity the girls who need the boards to drum up business.

One day soon the industry will mature and girls will avoid any public discussions of themselves and simply count on men who want them to be lovely and sweet and interesting in the room, but not on message boards.

Huh?
Small minded nerds with no proportion? Proportion to what?

You think arguments are resolved so easily in the real world?
Not the case, arguments can go on for years with no resolution.

Men don't want their paid women to be heard?
So this means they want their unpaid women heard?
Sorry to say, the world of women is hissyfits and hormonal rage too, they invented it, not sure what you are saying here.

I am not sure how girls will drum up business if they do not advertise on websites and participate in boards and forums.
Are you advocating they go back on the streets and flag down cars for recognition?

The fact is boards and websites give them exposure they need and the opportunity to advertise.
By creating personae and engaging possible clients you build your name and clientele.
Much of the benefit of the forum is not seen in public.

I do not really support the concept of a travelling escort, if you don't have a local home and base, you are a leech on everyone elses homes to some extent. You don't pay taxes, rent or shop there supporting local business, yet you swoop into town and steal business from others. In some respects, shouldn't people be able to defend their home base and livelihood?

Also to say that you are abuses and treated badly somewhere but say you "HAVE" to advertise there is totally misguided.
Then to complain about it, well i will stop now.....

I feel if someone doesn't want me around then I leave.
To force yourself in a situation you are obviously not 100% welcome is beyond me.
To put yourself at risk for a couple bucks is also beyond me.

[TSFantasia]

Huh?
Small minded nerds with no proportion? Proportion to what?

You think arguments are resolved so easily in the real world?
Not the case, arguments can go on for years with no resolution.

Men don't want their paid women to be heard?
So this means they want their unpaid women heard?
Sorry to say, the world of women is hissyfits and hormonal rage too, they invented it, not sure what you are saying here.

I am not sure how girls will drum up business if they do not advertise on websites and participate in boards and forums.
Are you advocating they go back on the streets and flag down cars for recognition?

The fact is boards and websites give them exposure they need and the opportunity to advertise.
By creating personae and engaging possible clients you build your name and clientele.
Much of the benefit of the forum is not seen in public.

I do not really support the concept of a travelling escort, if you don't have a local home and base, you are a leech on everyone elses homes to some extent. You don't pay taxes, rent or shop there supporting local business, yet you swoop into town and steal business from others. In some respects, shouldn't people be able to defend their home base and livelihood?

Also to say that you are abuses and treated badly somewhere but say you "HAVE" to advertise there is totally misguided.
Then to complain about it, well i will stop now.....

I feel if someone doesn't want me around then I leave.
To force yourself in a situation you are obviously not 100% welcome is beyond me.
To put yourself at risk for a couple bucks is also beyond me.

Well I suppose in the new era of escort and escort agency licensing and local turf protectionism there is still room for the travelling escort at the request of clients and local escort agencies to sponsor bringing in travelling "talent" ,collecting their agency fees and commissions in return for providing the travelling escort the "umbrella" of their escort agency license. So the travelling escort can operate without herself paying for a travelling vendor license (where avail. most cities this is non-existent) and be free from harassment from By-law enforcement. Which in that scenario it does benefit an escort, travelling SP very much to have as visible and unique public/internet persona possible to set themselves apart from the crowd and illicit demand. So until there is "new technology" ie transporter beams? LOL I think the internet, escort sites, and forums is the way to go for the foreseeable future

[Tia Phoenixx]

Be nice to each other boys. We have to get used to different opinions and point of views.
Besides, don't take everything too seriously and personally. You just stated few days ago Crag

TsFantasia has a simple, yet optimistic approach about escorting, including the traveling girl.
I see the whole world as ONE big market for me to roam around freely. well, obviously it's not the case in reality.
But at least in USA, where most professional tgirl escorts actually do travel, i don't feel that i'm intruding their territory, though it might be the case in some countries.
In a smaller market, like Canada, i notice lots of tgirls do travel as well. So why not?

there are reasons for tgirls who travel and not to travel. Some have boyfriend, family or simply they don;'t like traveling and opt for staying in one city. I love traveling, so it's a perfect option for me at the moment. Seeing new cities....scenery...different culture...different food...and ultimately tasting different men lol

Anyway, here I am in Florida...very relaxing and green...full of trees. It's a little cool...but nothing compared to Canada.
My life might change soon though, but I will enjoy my 2nd life of being a tgirl for the last time...before transforming to my 3rd life as a woman.
I'm a phoenix, remember?