STD Test Results: I'll Show You Mine If You'll Show Me Yours

[xoxJanexox]

I'm not saying one excludes the other or that there are no lights available but most sessions start with "mood" lighting or nightstand lamps and a visual inspection although good is only what you can see with your eye and reveals symptoms during outbreaks (ie herpes, lesions, open sores, etc) not in between. Doesn't reveal what might be just inside the urethra or just inside the anal opening someone is darting their tongue into. And if a client's STD test result is irrelevant then so is the SP's! You both just take each other's word do your visual inspection and either wrap or don't wrap and hope for the best?? How do I know the guy didn't just find out he is HIV positive from a cheating GF or infected SP and he's out for revenge on all the dirty cheating whores! LOL. Again as a SP if I offer bare oral it will be at a premium as I'm assuming a greater risk.

Yes, SP papers too are irrelevant. It is just a creation of lack of knowledge and common sense when clients even think that any of these papers ensures safety!

First, how can someone ensure that the paper is authentic?
There is absolutely no way except taking the words of the provider's mouth.

Second, even if authentic, papers don't rule out everything?
This is a fact (e.g. HPV)

Third, even if authentic, papers testify only to "the time the samples were taken"?
So, for anything in between, the papers tell nothing for which they are supposed to test for.

Is this a rocket science and so hard to understand!

[TSFantasia]

Yes, SP papers too are irrelevant. It is just a creation of lack of knowledge and common sense when clients even think that any of these papers ensures safety!

First, how can someone ensure that the paper is authentic?
There is absolutely no way except taking the words of the provider's mouth.

Second, even if authentic, papers don't rule out everything?
This is a fact (e.g. HPV)

Third, even if authentic, papers testify only to "the time the sample were taken"?
So, for anything in between, the papers tell nothing for which they are supposed to test for.

Is this a rocket science and so hard to understand!

Well I'm not that skeptical of medical lab testing or convinced that visual inspection under poor lighting conditions trumps medically collected and tested blood, urine, anal and oral swabs. And if I make the effort in between testing to make sure my partners/clients are also testing negative to standard STD tests then I have not reduced the risk to zero but pretty close. And of course regardless of what the papers say if I see sores, warts, lesions, anything suspicious I'm going to refuse service and end the session. And I'm also not convinced we are dealing with criminal masterminds that are going around with fake IDs and tests. If we are dealing with those type of people we are probably going to get screwed over in some manner. In posting this I said its probably not practical to expect this so either a SP charges more for higher risk services or you cover everything all the time. And more in the vein that if a client is asking for clean STD test results from the SP it should be because he is a safe sex advocate exercising due diligence to protect himself and his loved ones. Not someone who wants to immed. expose the clean SP to higher risk services like bare oral, rimming, cum swallowing, etc.

[xoxJanexox]

Well I'm not that skeptical of medical lab testing or convinced that visual inspection under poor lighting conditions trumps medically collected and tested blood, urine, anal and oral swabs. And if I make the effort in between testing to make sure my partners/clients are also testing negative to standard STD tests then I have not reduced the risk to zero but pretty close. And of course regardless of what the papers say if I see sores, warts, lesions, anything suspicious I'm going to refuse service and end the session. And I'm also not convinced we are dealing with criminal masterminds that are going around with fake IDs and tests. If we are dealing with those type of people we are probably going to get screwed over in some manner. In posting this I said its probably not practical to expect this so either a SP charges more for higher risk services or you cover everything all the time. And more in the vein that if a client is asking for clean STD test results from the SP it should be because he is a safe sex advocate exercising due diligence to protect himself and his loved ones. Not someone who wants to immed. expose the clean SP to higher risk services like bare oral, rimming, cum swallowing, etc.

So you believe that clients and SPs wont fake STD test papers because they are not criminals?
Good for you and proceed with this assumption. Clients who are convinced shall follow.
Kids fake drivers licence/IDs, which are state IDs, to get into nightclubs, and we expect the grown up clients not to fake a piece of paper that can be produced with minimum technology to get advantage of a sex worker and avoid frequent STD examinations!
We also expect SPs who have done every thing possible from stealing pictures, altering pictures, creating multiple fake accounts in different forums not to fake a test paper if needed?!

And you believe that STD papers, even if they are authentic, are conclusive?
Unfortunately they are not. Do they diagnose HPV routinely.

How about in between the tests? Are they immune from getting an infection and spreading it out?

[TSFantasia]

So you believe that clients and SPs wont fake STD test papers because they are not criminals?
Good for you and proceed with this assumption. Clients who are convinced shall follow.
Kids fake drivers licence/IDs, which are state IDs, to get into nightclubs, and we expect the grown up clients not to fake a piece of paper that can be produced with minimum technology to get advantage of a sex worker and avoid frequent STD examinations!
We also expect SPs who have done every thing possible from stealing pictures, altering pictures, creating multiple fake accounts in different forums not to fake a test paper if needed?!

And you believe that STD papers, even if they are authentic, are conclusive?
Unfortunately they are not. Do they diagnose HPV routinely.

How about in between the tests? Are they immune from getting an infection and spreading it out?

Objection your honour my client has already been asked and answered the questions. Councillor is badgering the witness! LOL. So your position then is you never allow any form of bare oral giving or receiving in your sessions? Your position is also that you rely on a quick, discreet visual inspection in less than ideal lighting conditions to satisfy yourself your client is not infected? You further stipulate that getting STD tests is useless other than your own peace of mind, because the client will think that your clean STD tests results are faked and you will think the same if he shows you his? If those are your conclusions then I am assuming that the answer is "NO!" you never allow bare oral of any kind in your sessions. And if so then perhaps that should be the industry standard as it is clear that at present it is not, as guys do expect that to be a given and part of the package in a girl's hourly rate. And most girls would immediately lose most of their business if their 300/hr sessions only included CBJs followed by anal, which is a given that is protected.

[toban]

A couple of comments on lesions and on visual inspections for STI's

As I stated, any STI with open sores is a risk.
I am not saying to suck off a lumpy, red, and puss covered cock.
STI's with no open sores are not generally contagious.

The above highlighted statement is absolutely incorrect! Many very infective STI's have no sores at any point! Lesions are NOT necessary for transmission of most STI?s.

Visual inspections for STI's are very difficult to conduct in some cases:

Warts - Cauliflower types are easy to spot but during a quick visual inspection under normally poor lighting conditions it's going to be difficult to see warts that my be hidden in folds of skin or in creases! Don?t forget that there are FLAT warts that are generally only visible after treatment with vinegar! Who carries a flask of vinegar with their condoms etc.??

Syphilis - there is often no lesion (chancre) at all or it may be minute or may last only a very few days.

Gonorrhea/Chlamydia ? you may not see any pus on the penis but if infection is present, even if not known, pus is present in the urethra and but a flic of the tongue upon the meatus will easily dislodge but a few million bacteria into the mouth, or billions during an ejaculation.

Herpes - can be infective even with no blisters being present. Even before a blister occurs the virus begins shedding particles directly from skin cells and is therefore infective at that time.

HIV - there is no lesion but only a slight abrasion or tear in the skin allows the virus to penetrate.

[xoxJanexox]

Objection your honour my client has already been asked and answered the questions. Councillor is badgering the witness! LOL. So your position then is you never allow any form of bare oral giving or receiving in your sessions? Your position is also that you rely on a quick, discreet visual inspection in less than ideal lighting conditions to satisfy yourself your client is not infected? You further stipulate that getting STD tests is useless other than your own peace of mind, because the client will think that your clean STD tests results are faked and you will think the same if he shows you his? If those are your conclusions then I am assuming that the answer is "NO!" you never allow bare oral of any kind in your sessions. And if so then perhaps that should be the industry standard as it is clear that at present it is not, as guys do expect that to be a given and part of the package in a girl's hourly rate. And most girls would immediately lose most of their business if their 300/hr sessions only included CBJs followed by anal, which is a given that is protected.

No your honor, the reasons I provided were never commented on or refuted by any counter knowledge.
What I get instead is an illusive one paragraph amalgamating, perhaps, the witness misunderstanding of my original position.
Not only this will confuse the jury, but I object to the defense counsel repeated technique of blurring the issues at hand

[TSFantasia]

So you believe that clients and SPs wont fake STD test papers because they are not criminals?
Good for you and proceed with this assumption. Clients who are convinced shall follow.
Kids fake drivers licence/IDs, which are state IDs, to get into nightclubs, and we expect the grown up clients not to fake a piece of paper that can be produced with minimum technology to get advantage of a sex worker and avoid frequent STD examinations!
We also expect SPs who have done every thing possible from stealing pictures, altering pictures, creating multiple fake accounts in different forums not to fake a test paper if needed?!

And you believe that STD papers, even if they are authentic, are conclusive?
Unfortunately they are not. Do they diagnose HPV routinely.

How about in between the tests? Are they immune from getting an infection and spreading it out?

I am talking about minimizing risks dealing with the average client not the exception to every rule.Yes condoms do break and not 100% effective let's get rid of those too!?.
So to answer question #1 yes people are capable of doing this and that is what makes them a criminal. The average client is not going to go to the trouble of getting fake IDs , falsifying medical results in order to get a bbbj. He is going to go to a SP who doesn't require it.

#2 authentic STD tests are conclusive on the items tested at the time tested. It is due diligence not a 100% guarantee.

#3 Of course any one can get infected at any time with a new UNPROTECTED sexual contact. That is the whole point of the post reducing and minimizing risks to both the SPs and the clients by due diligence on both sides.

My question to clients would be are you more comfortable seeing a trusted SP who can show you several clean STD tests done every 1-3 mos, or would you rather see one that says . "Nah I haven't gotten one in years because no one believes their real anyways." ? Well then my answer would be the same as a SP I would be just that little bit more at ease with a client, who can show me a recent STD test . As it is I have pretty good radar and instincts for picking up on assholes just in the way they text and communicate. No I'm not claiming to know whether someone has an STD or not, other than the obvious.

[xoxJanexox]

I am talking about minimizing risks dealing with the average client not the exception to every rule.Yes condoms do break and not 100% effective let's get rid of those too!?.
So to answer question #1 yes people are capable of doing this and that is what makes them a criminal. The average client is not going to go to the trouble of getting fake IDs , falsifying medical results in order to get a bbbj. He is going to go to a SP who doesn't require it.

#2 authentic STD tests are conclusive on the items tested at the time tested. It is due diligence not a 100% guarantee.

#3 Of course any one can get infected at any time with a new UNPROTECTED sexual contact. That is the whole point of the post reducing and minimizing risks to both the SPs and the clients by due diligence on both sides.

My question to clients would be are you more comfortable seeing a trusted SP who can show you several clean STD tests done every 1-3 mos, or would you rather see one that says . "Nah I haven't gotten one in years because no one believes their real anyways." ? Well then my answer would be the same as a SP I would be just that little bit more at ease with a client, who can show me a recent STD test . As it is I have pretty good radar and instincts for picking up on assholes just in the way they text and communicate. No I'm not claiming to know whether someone has an STD or not, other than the obvious.

And who will determine which SP is "trusted"?
Is showing several clean STD papers the evidence required?
Guess what? several t-girls on Shemale Canada now went to publicly display copies of tests papers.
Can you tell me what these papers are worth in the absence of governmental regulation?
They are not even worth toilet papers in term of the technology needed to produce them.
Don't worry girls will do what girls gotta do!

And you say clients who produce fake papers are the criminals only?
Do you provide in calls? Do you know that it is criminal under the common bawdy house law at least until the SCC rule on the issue?!
So, by law if an escort is hosting in-calls, she is criminal!
Yes, I get you escorts are criminals with higher standards of morality!

The average client won't forge a paper!
But, the Senate members will forge every invoice possible to steal the tax payers money!

I guess that you are not getting my point when it is very clear and simple:
There is no safeguard in this business expect your own conduct.
Clients and providers who are lazy to educate themselves in this business and follow common logic are responsible when it turns bad.

[TSFantasia]

And who will determine which is SP is "trusted"?
Is showing several clean STD papers the evidence required?
Guess what? several t-girls on Shemale Canada now went to publicly display copes of tests papers.
Can you tell me what these papers are worth in the absence of governmental regulation?
They are not even worth toilet papers in term of the technology needed to produce them.
Don't worry girls will do what girls gotta do!

And you say clients who produce fake papers are the criminal only?
Do you provide in calls? Do you know that this a criminal under the common bawdy house law at least until the SCC rule on the issue?!
So, by law if an escort is hosting in-calls, she is criminal!
Yes, I get you escorts are criminal with higher standards of moral!

The average client won't forge a paper!
But, the Senate members will forge every invoice possible to steal the tax payers money!

I guess that you are not getting my point when it is very clear and simple:
There is no safeguard in this business expect your own conduct.
Clients and providers who are lazy to educate themselves in this business and follow common logic are responsiblwhen it turns bad.

Please carry on your debate with yourself as its clear your running in circles. Oh yeah and the judge has left too .

[xoxJanexox]

Please carry on your debate with yourself as its clear your running in circles. Oh yeah and the judge has left too .

So, you were the judge in your own case then! This is exactly the high moral standard I was referring too

And remember, this was a jury trial!
And the jury have just witnessed the whole episode!

[Shyla Wild]

1- If you ask client to produce papers, you are asking already too much. Why? Because clients don't want to have to make an effort to see you. They want to call, make an appointment and have fun....not go to a clinic(more problems for married men). This may work when you are the only girl in town, but the second it is easier to see someone else you will lose business.

2-Test results from clients mean zero to me. The can be faked. Moreover and what is worse, I do not know these clients. Therefore it is completely possible that they get infected between the time of the testing and the time he walks in through your door.

3-Government regulation on this is a waste of tax payers money. Escorting does not need regulation. Be smart, play safe and have fun.

I have a much better idea. I get tested regularly and I practice safe sex. Keep things simple.

[TSFantasia]

1- If you ask client to produce papers, you are asking already too much. Why? Because clients don't want to have to make an effort to see you. They want to call, make an appointment and have fun....not go to a clinic(more problems for married men). This may work when you are the only girl in town, but the second it is easier to see someone else you will lose business.

2-Test results from clients mean zero to me. The can be faked. Moreover and what is worse, I do not know these clients. Therefore it is completely possible that they get infected between the time of the testing and the time he walks in through your door.

3-Government regulation on this is a waste of tax payers money. Escorting does not need regulation. Be smart, play safe and have fun.

I have a much better idea. I get tested regularly and I practice safe sex. Keep things simple.

Thanks for your thoughts Shyla and pretty much my conclusion. I get tested regularly for my own peace mind but as I have seen the concept of presenting those results on SP ads and in clients posts/reviews I wanted to flip it around on clients, at least by presenting the question. Seems skepticism and mistrust over the validity or value of those results is on both sides.
I presented this on a female dominated board and seems like a foreign concept to them also(at least those participating in the forum), and same as here both sides would be skeptical of the validity and value of the results for that exact moment.

For a small market I am definitely not the only game in town as 2-3 travelling girls are coming through almost every week. I guess the thing each SP has to decide is, is the demand for bare oral services as part of a standard or GFE session worth the risks and exposures for any amount of money? I can say," No" and they can immed. turn to the travelling SPs , who will say, "Yes anything goes", or even to the 100s of GG escorts a lot of whom may say yes too.
So in the interests of smart business I'm thinking I need to say, "Yes but that it is not a standard service but only part of a VIP session at a higher hourly rate" . This automatically reduces my exposures because some will just say, "No that's ok we can use condoms then", and of course those who say," No that's too steep I will go see someone else".

[Shyla Wild]

My views stem from 2 things.

The first is that I trust no one. I prefer to keep things within my realm of control and will always make sure that I maintain control during a session. Over time I have learnt many lessons. I was attacked once and learnt never to turn my back on a new client. I have a professional trained Rottweiler, and feel very secure in my environment. I believe this is very important to do what we do. If an escort is nervous, or scared and no matter what, there will be no chemistry.

The second is that I hate government regulation. Anything fun, will be ripped out by the government. 100 years ago, Gambling, Prostitution, Drugs, and Liquor were illegal. Today they are regulated by the government. Did this make anything better? People have forgotten this important thing called common sense. With common sense the government doesn't need to step in. Because we police ourselves. I watch people today and I am amazed at the complete lack of common sense or the general stupidity of people.

[rider014]

Actual Client, not a paid actor!

Ok, from the deafening echo of silence from clients on this topic, none of you girls should have any worries.... I guess there are no clients on here at all and the reviews are just stories made up in a dark closet somewhere.
I'm guessing the typical client response to this would have been"why would I have to get tested and show papers, I'm the one paying for it!" In an industry that the word "discrete" is so often used, literally thousands of men would all of a sudden be flocking to clinics across the country and as one that truly believes in the six degrees of separation, the word "discrete" might as well be thrown out the window. Someone always knows someone else who knows somebody who knows YOU! Even if you get tested in a different part of a large center or in a different community, there is no guarantee of someone not finding out. Even thought clinic workers are bonded to secrecy, everyone talks, eventually.

So, why don't we forge some results? I guess anything is possible with the technology of today. Seems like a good idea, till the GF/wife goes on the ol computer and stupid ass you forgot to delete the page (got a lot of explaining to do now). Most guys probably wouldn't go to this trouble anyways. Men are lazy by nature.

Now I have my results, forged or real, but I picked up Flexy Floozy a couple of nights ago.... Nuff said. How long are they valid? At least to the SP?
Cuz I'm not running to the clinic after every sexual encounter, safe or not!

Why all the commotion about this anyways? Just bag it and call it a day ..... Oh but everyone has had that experience at least once in their life of those soft cherry red lips sliding up and down your uncovered shaft I'm sure. Pretty hard to back peddle from that to all of a sudden cover it up. Just doesn't feel the same!

Even though the risk is small, it exists and I guess some people are stupid enough to take that risk. But we neeeeed that bbbj and why do we get it? Competition. Plain and simple. Other than bbbj and fetishes, what does an SP have to entice clients? They're not gonna give a free flat screen tv or a free trip to vegas for every 10 visits. The real deal should be the level of service, that being said, there will always be a new kid on the block offering up pretty much everything and anything which may pull clients away. However, in agreeing fully with Shyla common sense needs to be utilized.

Flip the cup from half empty to half full here.... You may lose some clients due to being safe, but you may gain some as well Merry Christmas to all and don't give something you wouldn't want in return this holiday season

[xoxJanexox]

Ok, from the deafening echo of silence from clients on this topic, none of you girls should have any worries.... I guess there are no clients on here at all and the reviews are just stories made up in a dark closet somewhere.
I'm guessing the typical client response to this would have been"why would I have to get tested and show papers, I'm the one paying for it!" In an industry that the word "discrete" is so often used, literally thousands of men would all of a sudden be flocking to clinics across the country and as one that truly believes in the six degrees of separation, the word "discrete" might as well be thrown out the window. Someone always knows someone else who knows somebody who knows YOU! Even if you get tested in a different part of a large center or in a different community, there is no guarantee of someone not finding out. Even thought clinic workers are bonded to secrecy, everyone talks, eventually.

So, why don't we forge some results? I guess anything is possible with the technology of today. Seems like a good idea, till the GF/wife goes on the ol computer and stupid ass you forgot to delete the page (got a lot of explaining to do now). Most guys probably wouldn't go to this trouble anyways. Men are lazy by nature.

Now I have my results, forged or real, but I picked up Flexy Floozy a couple of nights ago.... Nuff said. How long are they valid? At least to the SP?
Cuz I'm not running to the clinic after every sexual encounter, safe or not!

Why all the commotion about this anyways? Just bag it and call it a day ..... Oh but everyone has had that experience at least once in their life of those soft cherry red lips sliding up and down your uncovered shaft I'm sure. Pretty hard to back peddle from that to all of a sudden cover it up. Just doesn't feel the same!

Even though the risk is small, it exists and I guess some people are stupid enough to take that risk. But we neeeeed that bbbj and why do we get it? Competition. Plain and simple. Other than bbbj and fetishes, what does an SP have to entice clients? They're not gonna give a free flat screen tv or a free trip to vegas for every 10 visits. The real deal should be the level of service, that being said, there will always be a new kid on the block offering up pretty much everything and anything which may pull clients away. However, in agreeing fully with Shyla common sense needs to be utilized.

Flip the cup from half empty to half full here.... You may lose some clients due to being safe, but you may gain some as well Merry Christmas to all and don't give something you wouldn't want in return this holiday season

So, because some people chose not to partake in a thread, they are not real clients any more?
And you are the real one?
Please do underestimate our faculties!

And when you say "all" the reviews here are fake, I guess yours are excluded because you are "actual" client!