What A TG Woman Wants & Needs **For Top Guys Only**

[Gypsy1955]

What a t-girl wants

When I made my calls I initially told her over the phone what "my" desire was. Quite frankly, I didn't know what this top and bottom shit was although, it wasn't hard to figure out. I told her she absolutely will not be fucking me with her cock, toys nor anything else. Nothing was going in there! My pleasure was to provide pleasure to "her" but not that way. She could take me inside her. Over the phone I specifically said I want to do this with you, "is that ok, are you into being serviced?" Nothing heavy or perverted or deviant, very normal stuff. I further explained that I was looking for one girl only not to visit several in order to find the right one. Her job was to relax and enjoy. If she wanted me to do anything in particular that enhanced her pleasure, tell me and I will do it. If we were a match I could be a regular. Of course I understand she could lie because cash is the bottom line. What girl is going to say no?! So with open, honest communication between both why can't a client not know what a t-girl wants, then be prepared to give her that!?

[bottomguyusually]

I don't usually weigh in on these discussions, mostly because ther would be way too much for me to write, and I really do not like typing, but I will say a few things here.

First, the title of this thread "What A TG Woman Wants & Needs **For Top Guys Only** " to me is your opinion, not actually what TGirls around the world necessarily want or think, and the proof is in the varied opinions, the variety of services offered out there, and the fact that there is so much porn with guys on the bottom to name a few things.

Now this being said, I really wonder where I fit in lol. I got into this whole TG thing watching strapon sex which came about after years of receiving prostate massages and loving it to death since it taught me how extreme an orgasm can be this way. I had a few small dildos over the years, nothing excited me or felt great. This eventually led to me having the courage to try TG sex. I will also add that I am older, and for years now I really have a hard time staying hard once I get covered, and because I was bored to death with GG sex having virtually done everything over and over again, good and bad, I wanted to try something different, I guess we can call it my fetish.

Now, just the sight of 2 guys kissing grosses the hell out of me, and I have a life time gay friend, and I do believe everyone has a right to be gay, straight, bi, or anything else they choose I respect.

My user name here does not really apply to my thinking in some ways, since I still love to do the fucking, and I see GGs more than TGs, and except for one case, I always want a versatile session with a TG. I will say, when I am in the mood, and I do see a TG, the most important thing to me is being on the bottom, for me it is all about the anal play and pleasure I get from it. I only see what I consider to be passable girls, and have learned to think of TGs as real girls. Do I suck cock, well yes I have, but I do it not because it turns me on, because it really does not, I do it because I have always been someone who wants my partner to experience pleasure as well. I have NEVER tasted cum, I have NO desire to, but I might one day if this pleases my partner at the time. As a general rule, I don't even read the threads about "biggest load" "best tasting" etc etc., it just does nothing for me. On the other hand, watching a guy take a big load after he gets fucked is a turn on. The bigger the cock, the more I like watching it, and although I have stepped up in size over the years, I have no real desire to take a really big cock up my ass, small, medium, and a little bigger is what I want. I do enjoy watching a hot girl like Kimber James getting fucked, but if I am going to watch a girl get fucked, then I will watch GG taking it. I really only watch get turned on by guys getting topped as far as porn goes, and the harder they get fucked, the better I like it.

I am not in denial about anything, I know what I like and have the balls to go get it. Being someones slut is something I can totally get into, just ask the TG that have fucked me.

So I don't fit any of the stereo types mentioned here, not sure what that makes me

[Gypsy1955]

Top, bottom...porn

I've done a lot of chattering about my own experiences here. Maybe wandered off the subject somewhat. Ok, porn...any kind of gay porn to me, even 2 men kissing, is gross (unless it's 2 women.) only porn I watch are the free short clips and it's usually straight or tgirl with a male. I'm always home alone when I watch, my wife would find my behaviour deplorable. I make love to my wife almost every day and often twice a day (I'm 58 years old) and sometimes a little porn to help keep the libido flying high is ok. Thank you beautiful T-girls!! Porn... Male topping a tg...not for me! Tg sucking or fucking a man...not for me. Watching anal sex period, does nothing for me. Even the thought of seeing a mans junk or his ass is disgusting. Now...a tg receiving a blowjob or getting rimmed...YAHOOOOO!! The sight of seeing her face as she's being pleasured, watching her body move, hearing her moan...is extremely exciting! As for the junk itself...I don't mind at all seeing a tgirls package, a mans package...no way Jose!

[xoxJanexox]

I do get your point and yes it is hard for TG women to find real relationships but they do. And not all the guys are bottoms just because they are attracted to T-Girls. Very few of the guys I have dated even hinted at wanting me to "have my way with their ass". Mostly because I filter out the hard core wanna-be bottoms, who's 2nd or 3rd message is to this effect. And I'm not opposed to satisfying a BFs desire for anal stimulation through prostrate massage, using toys & strap ons and occasionally topping them but definitely wouldn't be a 50/50 split more like 70/30..lol. But I can also tell in conversing with guys that these bottom guy orientated scenes taking over the "she"male porn sites do affect guys' perception of reality . Some saying to me that while they are attracted to T-Girls they have no desire to be fucked up the ass, as they are starting to believe that's what we really want. Guys like this I make a date with as soon as possible! After telling them "No worries most T-Girls have no interest in that!"

I know also that this is a forum frequented by T-Girl hobbyists and admirers. Not all have taken the plunge into seeing an escort and I want to let them know there are other options to a paid encounter. And what their best chances of success are in approaching non escortgirls, or even us who are trying to have a social life outside of it. . So I'm not going to let the bottom-orientated guys totally take over and see them trying to convince all the guys that they really haven't had a T-Girl experience until they've gagged on a big cock, swallowed a load, and had their ass reemed out by a monster T-girl cock! At least not without a fight

Initially you took the position that this thread is meant to be irrespective of the escorting business and it seems now that the issue is really trying to bring "reality" into the escorting business!

So your argument is based on the premise that t-girls want to bottom in reality, therefore if you clients want something "real" Please only top us?!

Here is what is wrong with your position:

1- What you assume to be what t-girls want is your presumption and you can't eliminate that there are t-girls who enjoy topping mostly or totally even in their personal life. If you haven't heard about them, it doesn't mean that they don't exist. So, your presumption of reality falls apart here.

In analogy, there are many genetic girls who are doing domination scenes for money, but there are some who are truly dominant and enjoy this lifestyle in their personal life. So ,it is wrong to say that all women are into being submissive.

2- You presume that porn is diverting people from reality while porn simply responds to peoples fantasies. There are many sites with porn devoted for submissive or bottom t-girls, so this option was tested yet failed to generate the same traffic and demand for top t-girls.

Porn producers go where the money is, and the money is the subscribers credit cards, and who controls those credit cards are the same individuals you are trying to play some parental control over by saying: "You boys should watch only bottom girls porn, because this is what "reality" is about"

3- A lot of t-girls put in their ads that they are versatile (top and bottom), so the clients are aware of the existence of the options, but guess what, they already made up their minds.

4- Take this "reality" thing up a notch and you will admit that the whole escorting business is a fantasy. This is a paid companionship that would never have happened if not for the donation. Yes, we try to create and maintain the illusion but it is at the end a fantasy which clients pay for. So, do you want to convince the masses, that what you are offering as a bottom only provider is a the "reality of this fantasy". Good luck

[TSFantasia]

I had to go back to the original topic of this thread and it seems Fantasia was wanting a top guys opinion as to what a t-girl wants, right? This has flopped to a discussion about what men want from a t-girl( I'll start that thread tonight). From a "top" guys point of view..... I have no idea what a t-girl wants! We guys are having a hard enough time figuring out what the hell we want, let alone trying to pick the mind of a t-girl. That being said, unless a guy has somewhat of a relationship outside the bedroom with a t-girl and gets to know them, they won't have a snowballs chance in hell as to knowing what they really want

No the point of the thread is about what most TG women want in a dating and sexual relationship with men. They want guys who are top-orientated or at the most versatile with most of the receiving anal sex being the woman. We don't want guys begging us to top them in every sexual encounter. We do not want to fight for the woman's role and position during sex! That's why it is**For Top Guy Only** because guys who always want to bottom with T-girls are going to justify their "position" ,and are not going to want to hear that outside of "she"male porn and their paid T-girl encounters that TG women have very little interest in this in the REAL dating world. There are a lot of TG woman who absolutely detest their male genitalia won't even look at themselves naked in the mirror. They will not let a guy see or touch their genitals!

Obviously T-Girls in porn and escorting do not suffer with gender dysphoria to that extent. For those who are transitioning ,with the intent of complete sex change, porn and escorting is a means to an end. I'm sure there are those who have no intention of transitioning completely, do not have any gender dysphoria and are happy to have their raging testosterone coursing through their surgically feminized body as their intent is a career as a "she"male escort or porn star.

The thread title was not "What T-Girl Clients Want, or What T-Girl Escorts/Porn Stars are Willing To Do For $$$$s"
Obviously that is the only mindset most on this forum have and the only context they are interested in seeing a T-Girl in. The thread was for those who may look outside of that context to the REAL world and dating a TG woman. Obviously wrong forum for that!!

[TSFantasia]

Initially you took the position that this thread is meant to be irrespective of the escorting business and it seems now that the issue is really trying to bring "reality" into the escorting business!

So your argument is based on the premise that t-girls want to bottom in reality, therefore if you clients want something "real" Please only top us?!

Here is what is wrong with your position:

1- What you assume to be what t-girls want is your presumption and you can't eliminate that there are t-girls who enjoy topping mostly or totally even in their personal life. If you haven't heard about them, it doesn't mean that they don't exist. So, your presumption of reality falls apart here.

In analogy, there are many genetic girls who are doing domination scenes for money, but there are some who are truly dominant and enjoy this lifestyle in their personal life. So ,it is wrong to say that all women are into being submissive.

2- You presume that porn is diverting people from reality while porn simply responds to peoples fantasies. There are many sites with porn devoted for submissive or bottom t-girls, so this option was tested yet failed to generate the same traffic and demand for top t-girls.

Porn producers go where the money is, and the money is the subscribers credit cards, and who controls those credit cards are the same individuals you are trying to play some parental control over by saying: "You boys should watch only bottom girls porn, because this is what "reality" is about"

3- A lot of t-girls put in their ads that they are versatile (top and bottom), so the clients are aware of the existence of the options, but guess what, they already made up their minds.

4- Take this "reality" thing up a notch and you will admit that the whole escorting business is a fantasy. This is a paid companionship that would never have happened if not for the donation. Yes, we try to create and maintain the illusion but it is at the end a fantasy which clients pay for. So, do you want to convince the masses, that what you are offering as a bottom only provider is a the "reality of this fantasy". Good luck

LOL I'm sorry that you don't think TG women exist outside of porn and escorting. Even though my every reply in this thread has made the point that I am NOT talking about what T-Girls are willing to do for money in escorting/porn but what TG woman outside of that are interested from a man. There maybe some TG woman drooling at the mouth to top a guy, but the 100's of TG woman I converse with on my FB, Youtube, and other NON-ESCORT/PORN forums says the majority think like I do.

Did the majority of straight porn begin to focus on anal sex because this is what the majority of guys were practising with their GFs/wives? Absolutely NOT. Did it create an appetite for anal sex with women? Yes absolutely and a lot of guys can testify to the slaps in the face and "F.Offs!" they heard from their GFs/wives when they asked! Yes some said, "Yes sure why not" but that is the minority.

Porn producers go where the demand is but they also create demand by producing new images when the old ones get stale and "been there done that" a 1000 times.

Whether I choose to top or not as a SP is definitely my choice and I would rather work at MCDONALDS then do something I detest. My only issue as a SP with being versatile is with guys lack of hygiene in this area, which I won't get into that shit again ..lol.

[rider014]

Yeah

No the point of the thread is about what most TG women want in a dating and sexual relationship with men. They want guys who are top-orientated or at the most versatile with most of the receiving anal sex being the woman. We don't want guys begging us to top them in every sexual encounter. We do not want to fight for the woman's role and position during sex! That's why it is**For Top Guy Only** because guys who always want to bottom with T-girls are going to justify their "position" ,and are not going to want to hear that outside of "she"male porn and their paid T-girl encounters that TG women have very little interest in this in the REAL dating world. There are a lot of TG woman who absolutely detest their male genitalia won't even look at themselves naked in the mirror. They will not let a guy see or touch their genitals!

Obviously T-Girls in porn and escorting do not suffer with gender dysphoria to that extent. For those who are transitioning ,with the intent of complete sex change, porn and escorting is a means to an end. I'm sure there are those who have no intention of transitioning completely, do not have any gender dysphoria and are happy to have their raging testosterone coursing through their surgically feminized body as their intent is a career as a "she"male escort or porn star.

The thread title was not "What T-Girl Clients Want, or What T-Girl Escorts/Porn Stars are Willing To Do For $$$$s"
Obviously that is the only mindset most on this forum have and the only context they are interested in seeing a T-Girl in. The thread was for those who may look outside of that context to the REAL world and dating a TG woman. Obviously wrong forum for that!!

That's kind of what I was getting at. Outside the bedroom, away from the paid fantasy thing

[xoxJanexox]

LOL I'm sorry that you don't think TG women exist outside of porn and escorting. Even though my every reply in this thread has made the point that I am NOT talking about what T-Girls are willing to do for money in escorting/porn but what TG woman outside of that are interested from a man. There maybe some TG woman drooling at the mouth to top a guy, but the 100's of TG woman I converse with on my FB, Youtube, and other NON-ESCORT/PORN forums says the majority think like I do.

There are! Your facebook account, knowledge etc is not the definition of the whole "reality" in this world!

Did the majority of straight porn begin to focus on anal sex because this is what the majority of guys were practising with their GFs/wives? Absolutely NOT. Did it create an appetite for anal sex with women? Yes absolutely and a lot of guys can testify to the slaps in the face and "F.Offs!" they heard from their GFs/wives when they asked! Yes some said, "Yes sure why not" but that is the minority.

No, because this is what the majority of guys "fantasize" about. No guy will pay for porn to watch exactly what he is practicing in his daily life. This is exactly why guys want see escorts to achieve what they can't achieve at home.

So escorts offer such services, and some of them really enjoy these services at a personal level.

Porn producers go where the demand is but they also create demand by producing new images when the old ones get stale and "been there done that" a 1000 times.

False, you can't create a demand out of no where in porn. Porn only survive if it can tickle "consumers" brains. Gay porn has been there all the time, will this convert a straight guy to a gay guy to create a demand?! This is different from a guy with gay tendencies who finds gay porn stimulating!

Whether I choose to top or not as a SP is definitely my choice and I would rather work at MCDONALDS then do something I detest. My only issue as a SP with being versatile is with guys lack of hygiene in this area, which I won't get into that shit again ..lol.

Good, stay away from that shit. Topping is an art and if you can't master this art it will be shitty on many levels!

[TSFantasia]

Good, stay away from that shit. Topping is an art and if you can't master this art it will be shitty on many levels!

No worries Miss Jane I won't be competing with you in that dept.

[Gypsy1955]

Top guys only

I don't consider myself a dumbass by any stretch but....WTF are you ladies talking about? lol whoosh...never mind, over my head!

[TSFantasia]

I don't usually weigh in on these discussions, mostly because ther would be way too much for me to write, and I really do not like typing, but I will say a few things here.

First, the title of this thread "What A TG Woman Wants & Needs **For Top Guys Only** " to me is your opinion, not actually what TGirls around the world necessarily want or think, and the proof is in the varied opinions, the variety of services offered out there, and the fact that there is so much porn with guys on the bottom to name a few things.

Now this being said, I really wonder where I fit in lol. I got into this whole TG thing watching strapon sex which came about after years of receiving prostate massages and loving it to death since it taught me how extreme an orgasm can be this way. I had a few small dildos over the years, nothing excited me or felt great. This eventually led to me having the courage to try TG sex. I will also add that I am older, and for years now I really have a hard time staying hard once I get covered, and because I was bored to death with GG sex having virtually done everything over and over again, good and bad, I wanted to try something different, I guess we can call it my fetish.

Now, just the sight of 2 guys kissing grosses the hell out of me, and I have a life time gay friend, and I do believe everyone has a right to be gay, straight, bi, or anything else they choose I respect.

My user name here does not really apply to my thinking in some ways, since I still love to do the fucking, and I see GGs more than TGs, and except for one case, I always want a versatile session with a TG. I will say, when I am in the mood, and I do see a TG, the most important thing to me is being on the bottom, for me it is all about the anal play and pleasure I get from it. I only see what I consider to be passable girls, and have learned to think of TGs as real girls. Do I suck cock, well yes I have, but I do it not because it turns me on, because it really does not, I do it because I have always been someone who wants my partner to experience pleasure as well. I have NEVER tasted cum, I have NO desire to, but I might one day if this pleases my partner at the time. As a general rule, I don't even read the threads about "biggest load" "best tasting" etc etc., it just does nothing for me. On the other hand, watching a guy take a big load after he gets fucked is a turn on. The bigger the cock, the more I like watching it, and although I have stepped up in size over the years, I have no real desire to take a really big cock up my ass, small, medium, and a little bigger is what I want. I do enjoy watching a hot girl like Kimber James getting fucked, but if I am going to watch a girl get fucked, then I will watch GG taking it. I really only watch get turned on by guys getting topped as far as porn goes, and the harder they get fucked, the better I like it.

I am not in denial about anything, I know what I like and have the balls to go get it. Being someones slut is something I can totally get into, just ask the TG that have fucked me.

So I don't fit any of the stereo types mentioned here, not sure what that makes me

Well I will just a repeat of part of what I said in #34
The truth is human sexuality is a multi-coloured rainbow not 2 or 3 distinct colours with clearly defined lines. The colours blend into each other before they become full red, yellow, purple, etc. Men love sex and can enjoy it easier without emotional attachment better than women so the variation is going to be even greater.

You can get any type of sex you choose to when you go to see a SP if they are versatile or top only for the guys who only want to receive anal. You can watch whatever type of porn that you find arousing. If your only interest is in T-Girls in these two contexts.

For me being a TG woman with NO intention of making a long career out of either escorting or porn I am speaking to guys who want to date TG/TS women, whether that's approaching them on dating sites or T-Girl bars or they just happen to know one that they've been thinking of asking out. The whole reason TG women transition is diametrically opposed to the idea of being viewed or acting in the male roles in a relationship or society. So its not rocket science to figure how they like sex! Yes there will be exceptions but finding a TG woman is a pretty rare thing so if the first thing you want to do is piss her off try the alternate approach to what I'm suggesting and let me know how you make out?

[rider014]

She would never lie!!

When I made my calls I initially told her over the phone what "my" desire was. Quite frankly, I didn't know what this top and bottom shit was although, it wasn't hard to figure out. I told her she absolutely will not be fucking me with her cock, toys nor anything else. Nothing was going in there! My pleasure was to provide pleasure to "her" but not that way. She could take me inside her. Over the phone I specifically said I want to do this with you, "is that ok, are you into being serviced?" Nothing heavy or perverted or deviant, very normal stuff. I further explained that I was looking for one girl only not to visit several in order to find the right one. Her job was to relax and enjoy. If she wanted me to do anything in particular that enhanced her pleasure, tell me and I will do it. If we were a match I could be a regular. Of course I understand she could lie because cash is the bottom line. What girl is going to say no?! So with open, honest communication between both why can't a client not know what a t-girl wants, then be prepared to give her that!?

First of all "For top guys only" tells me that top guys answer, but I guess that isn't the case. Oh well threads get misunderstood all the time here but that makes for some good debates and interesting reading nonetheless.

Gypsy..... You're telling us that you know what a t-girl escort wants after a 3 minute(if that) phone call? You aren't schmoozing her, she's feeling you out and telling you what you want to hear my friend. What she really wants is the jingle in your jeans and will cater to your desires to satisfy your fantasy even if that fantasy is the ultimate pleasure of her. I do share your ideals of selflessness when it comes to sexual encounters, but always remember, when you're both exhausted and you leave pounding your chest that you gave her the best experience of her life..... You're the one that paid to have your fantasy fulfilled and a good SP will have succeeded in doing just that

[xoxJanexox]

First of all "For top guys only" tells me that top guys answer, but I guess that isn't the case. Oh well threads get misunderstood all the time here but that makes for some good debates and interesting reading nonetheless.

Wrong, this is general forum and nobody owns threads here!
How about if I start a thread and title it as "For t-girls only"!
Beside with anonymous handles anyone can create accounts by "proxy"!
And how do we know that you are "actually" a top guy only?!

[rider014]

Do you ever have a good day?

Maybe highlight the rest of the paragraph, as I misunderstood it's original meaning, and ya I'm a top only, got a tattoo on my ass that says "exit only"

[TSFantasia]

I'm a bottom....yet I top professionally. I am being paid and I am professional. Some people can call me two-faced or a hypocrite, but most of us are not the same person at work that we are during our personal lives.

I know your a bottom your a TG woman . Does a GG escort have to say she actually "loves" having sex with multiple partners a day? That she is so turned on having sex with guys in their 50s, 60s,70s, 80s when she's in her 20s? That her sexual preference is guys 100+ lbs overweight because some of her clients are? That she only has sex with her BF in full dominatrix gear because she offers this service. Do we have to promise our clients that we won't cheat on them while they are away because we provide a "Girlfriend experience"? Of course not!

Will guys stop going to see her because she won't lie about her real life preferences? I doubt it. SPs provide services for money and each one decides what they do or do not do. Yes the more restrictions/limitations a girl places the smaller her piece of the market place. But regardless some girls don't top, don't do BDSM, GS, SCAT, FISTING, ETC.