Eastern Arrogance Fuels Western Separatist Movements

[TSFantasia]

I got carried away. The separate areas of Canada is a sore point with me whether it be about our women (we, Canada, have the most beautiful in the world), bad jokes about people from another province...of which I don't participate, jealousy of another's success, happy of another's failure not in the fact that they had the heart to try something, buying votes or any other unfavourable act. But I like your balls!! Again, not in a literal sense because I haven't seen them You're up to the task!

Thanks Gypsy I'm still looking or a pair of panties that has printed on the front "Caution May Contain Nuts!"

There is gems in every province!

Just imagine though, if Quebec was where Saskatchewan is, and Sask was where Quebec is.
The country might be in balance.

The fact is, the population and the wealth is starting to shift west.
Ontario has lost it's manufacturing glory and Quebec lost it's glory in 1977.
The west is the new hope.

This is true the power and wealth has been shifting to the West in the last 20 years for sure. Especially with our large oil, gas, potash, uranium, diamond, etc reserves. Sask has definitely gone from being a "have not" to a "have" province. A Western based political party the Reform Party now the small "C" conservative party is in power in Ottawa and who would have thought that little Stevie Harper would become Prime Minister (much to the chagrin of many) but love or hate their policies their roots are in the West! Too bad they are just becoming a bunch of fat bloated corrupt politicians like all the rest

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Your right Locomotion .Trudeau was the ICONIC standard of Eastern Arrogance giving the finger to western farmers gathered to protest the Crow Rate I think (sorry didn't take time to Google).

for Atlantic Canadians the shift west began generations ago although the swing picked up speed the last 40 years or more. Some of my ancestors and many others moved to AB in the late 1800's to work construction when downtown Calgary and Edmonton still had dirt roads. Not to mention the gold rush. North America has to get back to doing its own manufacturing rather than buying all the junk and bad foods from China. Then our oil and gas going to our southern neighbours for processing and sold back to us at an extremely overinflated price.

Fantasia, keep up the good work! Obviously educated and very bright with a little warped sense of humour poking through...gotta love it! Lol

Who won the Grey Cup Seriously haha!

AMERICANS won the GREY CUP.. we just borrow them to make it look like Canadians can play football! LOL
Your right it is ridiculous that Canadian oil is not processed here for domestic use at reduced rates (look at the cost of a litre or gallon of gas in mid-eastern oil producing countries then look at ours...WTF!!) and then sold at World prices to foreign markets including the US

[TSFantasia]

I'm A Scrapper and A Debater

There is not Eastern Arrogance. Its called hate. People hate what is different than them. Country folk insult the way city folk live their lives and vise versa. Also, people commenting that something is better elsewhere, fall into "The Grass is not always greener on the other side."

This board is tough and you are new here. There will be more attacks, that I can promise you. Every girl has to deal with some online issue at one point or another. You cannot control what people say or what other think about you.....the only thing you control is your reaction.

Stay Safe

Shyla

I know Shyla I'm never afraid of a good debate, defending my position, views and opinions. Debating is stimulating gets the creative thought processes going it makes us research to defend our positions (gotta love Google and Wikipedia..lol) . I can be in a debate with someone where we are both screaming at each other telling each that their views and positions are weak, misinformed and misguided and end laughing and saying "Well that was fun let's go for beers!"
It's usually people who cannot defend their position, views, and opinions who end up hating other people for having opposing views.

[Shyla Wild]

I know Shyla I'm never afraid of a good debate, defending my position, views and opinions. Debating is stimulating gets the creative thought processes going it makes us research to defend our positions (gotta love Google and Wikipedia..lol) . I can be in a debate with someone where we are both screaming at each other telling each that their views and positions are weak, misinformed and misguided and end laughing and saying "Well that was fun let's go for beers!"
It's usually people who cannot defend their position, views, and opinions who end up hating other people for having opposing views.

Just remember, there is also an equal or greater amount of people like the rest of us. Accepting, caring and outgoing. It is unfortunate that the loudest voices are often the ones pushing arrogance, discrimination and other issues that should not be issues.

I find debates are like rooting for a sports team. Everyone has views and will choose sides, but in the end the game ends and someone wins and some loses, and in a debate you learn to respect the other persons views. There are many things in this world I do not agree with but I do respect. Religion, politics, historical ignorance, racial tensions and even war. I do not agree with war, but I respect those willing to die for what they believe in.

Ever region in this country shines in a different aspect, that is what makes us Canadian, because we are great at all of them. Together we are great. We are democracy. The USA still believes that they are a democracy, but little do they know....this is not true. The US is a Congressional Republic. The only thing that history proved about this...is that it always fails. Ask the Romans.

[Gypsy1955]

Apparently it is a cool word to say,
but not a cool word to be.

lol, 'nough said.

[TSFantasia]

Just remember, there is also an equal or greater amount of people like the rest of us. Accepting, caring and outgoing. It is unfortunate that the loudest voices are often the ones pushing arrogance, discrimination and other issues that should not be issues.

I find debates are like rooting for a sports team. Everyone has views and will choose sides, but in the end the game ends and someone wins and some loses, and in a debate you learn to respect the other persons views. There are many things in this world I do not agree with but I do respect. Religion, politics, historical ignorance, racial tensions and even war. I do not agree with war, but I respect those willing to die for what they believe in.

Ever region in this country shines in a different aspect, that is what makes us Canadian, because we are great at all of them. Together we are great. We are democracy. The USA still believes that they are a democracy, but little do they know....this is not true. The US is a Congressional Republic. The only thing that history proved about this...is that it always fails. Ask the Romans.

I agree at times war is justified as tragic as it is. Some people always say, "The pen is mightier than the sword" but in the end people usually need to rise up and take up the sword to free themselves from the tyranny and oppression that the man or woman with the pen has made them aware of and inspired them to rise up against with their writing. And leaders, politicians, lawmakers are always thankful they have police forces and armed forces with guns to back them up and enforce their writings, ideals, and laws! Sometimes you need to kick some NAZI asses to keep them out of your borders!

As for the US ,I guess over a 100 years of being the leading military and economic superpower in the world will give a country the impression that what they are doing works ..LOL. Your probably right eventually that power, wealth and influence will fade into history like the Romans maybe due to being a Congressional Republic, but most likely due to a dozen other factors unrelated to that. "

[Locomotion]

Your right Locomotion .Trudeau was the ICONIC standard of Eastern Arrogance giving the finger to western farmers gathered to protest the Crow Rate I think (sorry didn't take time to Google).

He was ... and it looks like his kid wants to follow in his footsteps. Not only did he give western farmers the finger, Trudeau Sr. introduced the National Energy Policy which basically taxed the snot out of Alberta then transferred most of the funds to the have not provinces ... like Quebec, his homeland. (better keep Quebec happy or they might separate!! oo oooo scary)

What happened next was the oil and gas companies pulled out of Alberta, almost pushing the province into bankruptcy. Calgary was left with tons of half finished buildings because most of the constructions companies needed to shut down operations, since big business left the province en masse.

That's when the western separation movement was born. This new Trudeau is promising to close down the oil sands to keep the enviro loonies happy. (Most of the stuff in the media is pure propaganda).

Justin probably wouldn't do something that stupid though, Fiberals do have a long history of lying just to get into power. Recall the GST removal promise? GST is still here after 10 years of Fiberals in charge.

But one thing is sure, if this idiot does attempt to close down the oil sands if he gets some power, Canada will start to slip into 3rd world economy status ... and this time Alberta WILL separate. Unlike Quebec, Alberta can actually afford to...

[Shyla Wild]

How can you guys point fingers at Trudeau? Remember the conservatives with their Free Trade Agreement? Pushed this country into recession....

Politics are BS....if anyone thinks one side is better than the other, you are mistaken.

[Gypsy1955]

Just remember, there is also an equal or greater amount of people like the rest of us. Accepting, caring and outgoing. It is unfortunate that the loudest voices are often the ones pushing arrogance, discrimination and other issues that should not be issues.

I find debates are like rooting for a sports team. Everyone has views and will choose sides, but in the end the game ends and someone wins and some loses, and in a debate you learn to respect the other persons views. There are many things in this world I do not agree with but I do respect. Religion, politics, historical ignorance, racial tensions and even war. I do not agree with war, but I respect those willing to die for what they believe in.

Ever region in this country shines in a different aspect, that is what makes us Canadian, because we are great at all of them. Together we are great. We are democracy. The USA still believes that they are a democracy, but little do they know....this is not true. The US is a Congressional Republic. The only thing that history proved about this...is that it always fails. Ask the Romans.

yes Shyla, I would like to reflect on your 1st paragraph only. Let's hope that the greater amount of people are caring, accepting and outgoing. From my perspective and to a large degree I've elected to mostly to keep quiet and stay away from people. There is very few that I allow to get close to me as I believe they carry too much baggage and negativity with them. The people I meet that have an open mind and a caring personality I gladly welcome them as I believe positive energy feeds positive energy. I carried a chip on my shoulder for many of my adult years but after my son was born I had to look at myself and say "is this what you want to teach your son?" Beneath that chip was a much different person. If I can share what I have learned from my life experiences with the younger generation and they take what they can from it, use it and pass it along as they make their own family and to their friends well, that makes me very proud and happy. I'm not trying to make it sound like I'm something that I'm not. I'm talking simply about myself, my own little piece of the earth, that's all. How many more people like that are out there hiding behind a tough exterior, thinking to show the real "me" is a sign of weakness.

[TSFantasia]

How can you guys point fingers at Trudeau? Remember the conservatives with their Free Trade Agreement? Pushed this country into recession....

Politics are BS....if anyone thinks one side is better than the other, you are mistaken.

Awe Shyla likes Justin. Shyla and Justin sitting in a tree... LOL.. I know real mature right?
Your right no one political party has the market cornered in the stupidity, arrogance, bad policies, and corruption depts.
However most countries are looking at opening their borders to free trade and broadening their trade agreements. Are there short-term
business and job casualties ? Yes! But the long term economic benefits to companies and countries that can compete well in the global market are greater than the risks to regional recessions . Canada is prospering economically partly due to NAFTA not inspite of it.

Most of the PMs and MPs of previous Liberal and PC govt came from Ontario and Quebec so Central Canada's interests were paramount to many policies, even when they were an added hardship to other parts of the country as Locomotion mentioned. Now there is a Western based party in power and the West is feeling that their concerns and issues are being heard and addressed. Whether this is at the expense of Central or Atlantic Canada I don't know.

[Gypsy1955]

Awe Shyla likes Justin. Shyla and Justin sitting in a tree... LOL.. I know real mature right?
Your right no one political party has the market cornered in the stupidity, arrogance, bad policies, and corruption depts.
However most countries are looking at opening their borders to free trade and broadening their trade agreements. Are there short-term
business and job casualties ? Yes! But the long term economic benefits to companies and countries that can compete well in the global market are greater than the risks to regional recessions . Canada is prospering economically partly due to NAFTA not inspite of it.

Most of the PMs and MPs of previous Liberal and PC govt came from Ontario and Quebec so Central Canada's interests were paramount to many policies, even when they were an added hardship to other parts of the country as Locomotion mentioned. Now there is a Western based party in power and the West is feeling that their concerns and issues are being heard and addressed. Whether this is at the expense of Central or Atlantic Canada I don't know.

unfortunately for Atlantic Canada with not enough population or federal seats they don't matter so much to either PCs or Lib's. We're just there, that's all. Hence migration to central or west for work and still holding the trophy for highest unemployment(s) in the country. Even our university grads must join the exodus to make a proper living. Only way Atlantic Canada can have a true voice would be to forfeit their individual identities, amalgamate into one province, one population = stronger voice more federal seats. Even combined the Atlantic region would have the lowest population of all Canadian provinces.

NAFTA, didn't that effectively kill our chances to improve and build on our own manufacturing? For example Canadian flags and pins bearing the Maple Leaf...handed out by our MP's around the country on Canada Day, all bearing "Made In China." As a nation we've lost approximately 85% of our manufacturing jobs not including spin offs. How can we compete?

[Gypsy1955]

unfortunately for Atlantic Canada with not enough population or federal seats they don't matter so much to either PCs or Lib's. We're just there, that's all. Hence migration to central or west for work and still holding the trophy for highest unemployment(s) in the country. Even our university grads must join the exodus to make a proper living. Only way Atlantic Canada can have a true voice would be to forfeit their individual identities, amalgamate into one province, one population = stronger voice more federal seats. Even combined the Atlantic region would have the lowest population of all Canadian provinces.

NAFTA, didn't that effectively kill our chances to improve and build on our own manufacturing? For example Canadian flags and pins bearing the Maple Leaf...handed out by our MP's around the country on Canada Day, all bearing "Made In China." As a nation we've lost approximately 85% of our manufacturing jobs not including spin offs. How can we compete?

oops...although I said made in a China I'm basically referring to low salary, slave labour, etc. in south US, Mexico...you know...North America lol!

[Gypsy1955]

oops...although I said made in a China I'm basically referring to low salary, slave labour, etc. in south US, Mexico...you know...North America lol!

holy smokes...before I get pounced on I know China is not North America!

[Shyla Wild]

Awe Shyla likes Justin. Shyla and Justin sitting in a tree... LOL.. I know real mature right?

Wrong Trudeau. I respect his Father, who accomplished more for this country than any other PM. If you look at a list of PMs in this country you will notice that in the entire history of this Country, only 2 men have ever been PM born west of Ontario (Campbell, Clarke). The eastern townships have 4 pm's. The provinces of Quebec and Ontario have had 6 PM's each. You really have to wonder or ask who's interests are being looked after?

[TSFantasia]

unfortunately for Atlantic Canada with not enough population or federal seats they don't matter so much to either PCs or Lib's. We're just there, that's all. Hence migration to central or west for work and still holding the trophy for highest unemployment(s) in the country. Even our university grads must join the exodus to make a proper living. Only way Atlantic Canada can have a true voice would be to forfeit their individual identities, amalgamate into one province, one population = stronger voice more federal seats. Even combined the Atlantic region would have the lowest population of all Canadian provinces.

NAFTA, didn't that effectively kill our chances to improve and build on our own manufacturing? For example Canadian flags and pins bearing the Maple Leaf...handed out by our MP's around the country on Canada Day, all bearing "Made In China." As a nation we've lost approximately 85% of our manufacturing jobs not including spin offs. How can we compete?

Well as we have been one of the fastest growing economies in the G20 for several years I think we are competing well. And obviously there is confidence that we will compete and profit from opening up greater trade with massive markets like India and China. The matter of companies farming out jobs to cheap foreign labour and "sweatshops" is another matter but yes one of the downsides to free trade on a global scale.

[TSFantasia]

Wrong Trudeau. I respect his Father, who accomplished more for this country than any other PM. If you look at a list of PMs in this country you will notice that in the entire history of this Country, only 2 men have ever been PM born west of Ontario (Campbell, Clarke). The eastern townships have 4 pm's. The provinces of Quebec and Ontario have had 6 PM's each. You really have to wonder or ask who's interests are being looked after?

Well definitely P.E. Trudeau reshaped Canada brought the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. "The British Parliament formally enacted the Charter as a part of the Canada Act 1982 at the request of the Parliament of Canada in 1982, the result of the efforts of the government of Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. " He enacted the War Measures Act to deal with the FLQ in the October Crisis in 1970. He was certainly the most charismatic Canadian PMs to date. A list of his accomplishments are listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Trudeau

Legacy with respect to western Canada[edit]

Trudeau's posthumous reputation in the Western Provinces is notably less favourable than in the rest of English-speaking Canada. He is often regarded as the "father of Western alienation." The reasons are various. Some of them are ideological. Some Canadians disapproved of official bilingualism and many other of Trudeau's policies, which they saw as moving the country away from its historic traditions and attachments, and markedly toward the political left. Such feelings were perhaps strongest in the West. Other reasons for western alienation are more plainly regional in nature. To many westerners, Trudeau's policies seemed to favour other parts of the country, especially Ontario and Quebec, at their expense. Outstanding among such policies was the National Energy Program, which was seen as unfairly depriving western provinces of the full economic benefit from their oil and gas resources, in order to pay for nationwide social programs, and make regional transfer payments to poorer parts of the country. Sentiments of this kind were especially strong in oil-rich Alberta where unemployment rose from 4% to 10% following passage of the NEP.^[76] Estimates have placed Alberta's losses between $50 billion and $100 billion because of the NEP.^[77][78]
More particularly, two incidents involving Trudeau are remembered as having fostered Western alienation, and as emblematic of it. During a visit to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan on July 17, 1969, Trudeau met with a group of farmers who were protesting that the federal government was not doing more to market their wheat. The widely remembered perception is that Trudeau dismissed the protesters' concerns with "Why should I sell your wheat?" in reality, however, the media never adequately reported the fact that he asked the question rhetorically and then proceeded to answer it himself.^[79] Years later, on a train trip through Salmon Arm, British Columbia, he "gave the finger" to a group of protesters through the carriage window less widely remembered is that the protesters were shouting anti-French slogans at the train.^[80]4
Hmm learn something new everyday..thank you Wikipedia!