T-Girls Do Your "Litmus" Tests!

[TSFantasia]

So I posted these comments under my last post "POST-OP: To Stealth of Not To Stealth That Is The Question?"

But I want to use it for another topic. TGirls DO YOUR LITMUS TESTS! Don't go by what tranny-chasers and trans-attracted guys telling you on T-Girl sites or even what other "supportive" TGs tell you on "Trans" boards and forums. There is alot of smoke being blown up alot of girls asses! Not saying we shouldn't be supportive and encouraging to others but we can do so without encouraging delusion and denial .
I know most T-Girls on this board are escorts and even porn-stars so this is not a statement about your beauty or sensuality and I'm sure you have already passed many real world tests with flying colours! There can also be a perception that staying a T-girl is our best option as that is the "real reason" men are attracted to us. Truth is beautiful sexy women with vaginas/pussies still rock and rule the demand of the raging masses of straight, bi-curious/sexual men, bi-curious/sexual women and couples.

I agree that beautiful T-girls are attractive to men PERIOD, FULL STOP. The number of those who will actually have sex with her will be diminished somewhat by those who have an over-all mental block due to their personal orientation, views, homophobia/transphobia, etc, etc.

When I've been in the mood to hang out on sex hook up sites like AFF and actually have NSA hookups I can pretty much pick and choose the guys who I find attractive and have the right "stats" . A lot of guys have the idea that they are the only ones and I should jump at the chance for any offer. Of course this is because what guys tell each other in the coffee room or over beers with their buds is to defend and project their macho "straight" only image to others. I usually tell them don't worry you would be surprised how many guys are attracted and turned on by TSs, I could have a "take a number" dispenser at my door and the line would never go down! LOL.

Trans-attracted guys say "Oh yeah but these guys are attracted to any dude in a dress so no big whoop". I did my own "litmus test" on that last summer as I had a TG/TS profile on AFF for the last 3 yrs. And I did notice this that guys who were telling me that I was beautiful and sexy on my webcam were saying the same thing to the guy in nylons and lingerie with a cheap wig and 5 o'clock shadow! Like WTF!!
So asked some of the guys about that next time they popped up on my webcam. They would say "Oh yeah we are just saying that to him to be nice" LOL ahh ok that doesn't help at all. My average viewers were usually about 150-200 which was very good for the member TG/TS webcams most were under 50.

Anyways I setup a female profile and said well here goes my "litmus test" as I know straight hetero males are not going to be saying anything nice about a "dude in a dress". I was in a nice push-up bra and panty set, thigh high nylons and silk robe sitting/laying on my couch. Other girls some very attractive 20's and 30's had their tits out, full on naked, or even fingering or dildoing themselves. The top ones were around the 500-600 viewers. I just gave different angles showing my cleavage, my legs, my butt and face shots with my sunglasses on of course..lol. Within 15 mins I went from last place (about 30-50 girls web-camming) to first place then my viewers kept climbing I passed 1200 viewers the pages were just flying/scrolling by until everything froze up all my boxes went blank with a big exclamation mark in the middle. I had to reboot my computer and relog on and start all over again.
Big deal guys will say guys just wanting to check out the new girl on the block see if you take all your clothes off like all the rest. Don't and bye bye or they won't watch next time. I kind of thought this too but I did know that I "passed" with flying colours not one comment in all the pages about me being anything other than a "Wow, sexy, hot, stunning, beautiful, etc. etc. WOMAN!"
So for about 3 months I was doing this almost everyday. Same type of dress and skin exposure and everytime the same thing happened I went from last to first spot within 10-15 min or 20 max. The only ones that trumped me was someone web camming live sex! Same thing also I would climb to 1200 viewers the next closest at about 6-700 viewers, but then I would get the freeze up. Highest I got to was 1600 viewers my internet and their site must have been having a good technical day..lol.

The site gave me a free 1 yr Gold membership by the 3rd day I was there. This I'm sure they do for many females that post pics and webcam as obviously good for their business and draws the paying male customers. After about 4 months of having my fun and receiving dozens of emails from straight men, bi females, and couples wanting to meet up I got tired of having to explain why the guys needed to be at least bi-curious and feel out the women as to what they wanted most out of their bisexual encounter.

Bottom line and moral to the story? That a beautiful sexy woman with a vagina/pussy still trumps the most beautiful T-Girls for desire and demand by the raging masses. My TG/TS profile picture album sits at about 60,000 views after being on for over a year period. My female albums which have only been viewable for 6 out of the last 12 months? 450,000 views!!

[xoxJanexox]

Bottom line and moral to the story? That a beautiful sexy woman with a vagina/pussy still trumps the most beautiful T-Girls for desire and demand by the raging masses. My TG/TS profile picture album sits at about 60,000 views after being on for over a year period. My female albums which have only been viewable for 6 out of the last 12 months? 450,000 views!!

I fundamentally disagree here. My experience is a "real" life one and not a "cyber" one. I hit the most straight clubs in one of the most conservative cities in Canada (Ottawa). The attention I get is way far than any of the ggs. Some men might not have any idea, some do and some even might have recognized me from my ads.

By the attention, I mean men who are coming and wanting to dance with me, offering their numbers, buying drinks etc. So, they are in a "straight" club and perceived as the most masho men, yet they are approaching and expressing their desires.

The reason that AFF is skewed in the direction you have described is that the majority of t-girls there are not passable to a great extent and men kinda gave up hope. An average t-girl escort still charges higher premiums compared to ggs. Just search BP and you will get an idea. The very few ggs escort who charge very high premiums are mainly concerned with seeing a "very few" selected clients every week.

Also, while we attract mainly straight clients, there is a very good percentage of them which is still not even aware of this lifestyle but once they get hooked up to t-girls, they are just hooked. Having said that, the supply and demand in our lifestyle is unmatched by the mainstream lifestyle.

Last, I don't really think it is appropriate to create fake profiles irrespective of the reasons. Just my opinion. My litmus test is in the open air and not behind an anonymous handle. I stand side by side with ggs, they attract their admirers and I attract mine. Numbers are secondary to the quality of men I attract. If a gg gets 10 douche bags lined up and I get the gentleman in the "well fitted" suit, then I win

[TSFantasia]

I fundamentally disagree here. My experience is a "real" life one and not a "cyber" one. I hit the most straight clubs in one of the most conservative cities in Canada (Ottawa). The attention I get is way far than any of the ggs. Some men might not have any idea, some do and some even might have recognized me from my ads.

By the attention, I mean men who are coming and wanting to dance with me, offering their numbers, buying drinks etc. So, they are in a "straight" club and perceived as the most masho men, yet they are approaching and expressing their desires.

The reason that AFF is skewed in the direction you have described is that the majority of t-girls there are not passable to a great extent and men kinda gave up hope. An average t-girl escort still charges higher premiums compared to ggs. Just search BP and you will get an idea. The very few ggs escort who charge very high premiums are mainly concerned with seeing a "very few" selected clients every week.

Also, while we attract mainly straight clients, there is a very good percentage of them which is still not even aware of this lifestyle but once they get hooked up to t-girls, they are just hooked. Having said that, the supply and demand in our lifestyle is unmatched by the mainstream lifestyle.

Last, I don't really think it is appropriate to create fake profiles irrespective of the reasons. Just my opinion. My litmus test is in the open air and not behind an anonymous handle. I stand side by side with ggs, they attract their admirers and I attract mine. Numbers are secondary to the quality of men I attract. If a gg gets 10 douche bags lined up and I get the gentleman in the "well fitted" suit, then I win

Yes I have done "litmus tests" in the real world too. Been to straight bars and clubs I just don't know what to do with the guys hitting on me in those settings as I'm not interested in seeing who and who will not react favorable to the "surprise" . Worked at two public jobs when I transitioned to full time and had the usual response from guys when they come across an attractive woman; forget what they were saying or what they came in my dept. for, look at my name tag then use my name in every sentence, etc. See all the guys move over to my cashier line when I go to a till. Not saying I'm the prettiest or a "10" but I know that guys find me attractive.

And its not a"fake profile" as I'm a real person and I am a woman and female. So either category I chose to go in is correct. But also great that you have a great response where you are

[xoxJanexox]

And its not a"fake profile" as I'm a real person and I am a woman and female. So either category I chose to go in is correct. But also great that you have a great response where you are

But a real female won't creat a profile as a TG people need to take a position here!

[TSFantasia]

But a real female won't creat a profile as a TG people need to take a position here!

WOW!!I cant believe you just said that thank you for clarifying that you are not a woman but just a well dressed cross dresser also known as a "dude in a dress" !

And neither would a female classify herself as BBW or B&B if she does not fit in that category. I started my TG profile early in my transition and would not have passed any "litmus tests" and was technically a CD as was only PT and still living and work as a male.

[xoxJanexox]

WOW!!I cant believe you just said that thank you for clarifying that you are not a woman but just a well dressed cross dresser also known as a "dude in a dress" !

And neither would a female classify herself as BBW or B&B if she does not fit in that category. I started my TG profile early in my transition and would not have passed any "litmus tests" and was technically a CD as was only PT and still living and work as a male.

You start a diarrhea of threads and if someone dare to challenge your beliefs with logic you start calling them names.

So if we don't believe in what you say, we get called names! Or worse just some eastern arrogants!

You want to create profiles as both a transgender and a female simultaneously?! And that is obviously correct!

In the day a TS and a female at night? What pays the bills I guess!

So if I am proud of being a transgender and don't create a profile as a female, then I get called names!

Do you expect me to defend before justice Fantasia or TSFantasia shall we say?

You might have been better defined when you were a dude in a dress than your ambiguous status right now!

[TSFantasia]

You start a diarrhea of threads and if someone dare to challenge your beliefs with logic you start calling them names.

So if we don't believe in what you say, we get called names! Or worse just some eastern arrogants!

You want to create profiles as both a transgender and a female simultaneously?! And that is obviously correct!

In the day a TS and a female at night? What pays the bills I guess!

So if I am proud of being a transgender and don't create a profile as a female, then I get called names!

Do you expect me to defend before justice Fantasia or TSFantasia shall we say?

You might have been better defined when you were a dude in a dress than your ambiguous status right now!

It is a forum and threads gives people something to read and food for thought and at least I have original thoughts and ideas to post rather than just always trying to be the devils advocate to everyone else's comments and posts like you are. And yes if you reply with transphobic twisted views that "female" and "TG, TS" are mutually exclusive terms then that tells me that you are not. Though you may be under the "trans" umbrella as a male cross dresser.

You don't have to create any profile on any site do whatever you like, but don't tell me that "female, woman" and "TG/TS" are mutually exclusive terms and therefore only one can be right. The original intent of the post wasn't for those who are well advanced in their transition. But for the 1000s who view this site either as males ,who may consider themselves TG or are fetish cross dressers,that they don't take what guys say on "tranny" sites as being how the world sees them. There are lots who do and then wonder why they have such a miserable time being accepted when they do try to transition.

Also that the attraction to T-girls is primarily a fetish with a small percentage of men and women in comparison to the over-all population. So having the idea that transitioning "half-way" and staying there is unlikely to result in anything other then a life of midnite booty calls or of T-Girl escorting and porn. If that's someone's idea of happiness and bliss then by all means have at it.

[toban]

We seem to be forgetting about the clients desires!

.Something that some seem to be overlooking here is what it is that the clients are hoping to find in their quest for T-Girls. We are not here looking for females or post-op t-girls!

It is my position, that for the vast majority of clients and as a client myself, that the F on an escorts drivers license or other identification papers mean absolutely nothing to us! It may make a transitioning girl feel better about what she is doing but that is not of importance to the males.

A client may very well wish the trans-girl he has his eye on look remarkably like a female but he knows full well that she had better not be and that difference is why we are all in this game and the reason for the existence of this very forum too!!!

[xoxJanexox]

OTE=TSFantasia;434027]It is a forum and threads gives people something to read and food for thought and at least I have original thoughts and ideas to post rather than just always trying to be the devils advocate to everyone else's comments and posts like you are. And yes if you reply with transphobic twisted views that "female" and "TG, TS" are mutually exclusive terms then that tells me that you are not. Though you may be under the "trans" umbrella as a male cross dresser.

Welcome to the real world of Fantasia or TSFanasia. So you can't define yourself but you are suited to define others! Again don't expect a defense justice Fantaisa/TSFantasia.

No females and TGs are not necessarily mutually exclusive. What is mutually exclusive is the double position, All the dating websites for example have three categories (male, female, transgender). People in those sites have a reasonable expectation that when you label yourself as a female that you are a genetic woman. If you go carefully to your initial post, you will see that this is actually the premise of your whole argument that ggs trumps tgs. So by creating a profile as a female, the intention was to see the masses response to a genetic woman as opposed to trans woman. This is called false advertisement and fake by all means.

Although I have a sympathy for a t-girl who underwent a SRS, the situation of creating a profile as in the above example is totally different.

You don't have to create any profile on any site do whatever you like, but don't tell me that "female, woman" and "TG/TS" are mutually exclusive terms and therefore only one can be right. The original intent of the post wasn't for those who are well advanced in their transition. But for the 1000s who view this site either as males ,who may consider themselves TG or are fetish cross dressers,that they don't take what guys say on "tranny" sites as being how the world sees them. There are lots who do and then wonder why they have such a miserable time being accepted when they do try to transition.

Fair enough, you found it miserable, I found it a nice experience! Does being passable have something to do with it?
So, people have to listen to both sides of the story.

Also that the attraction to T-girls is primarily a fetish with a small percentage of men and women in comparison to the over-all population. So having the idea that transitioning "half-way" and staying there is unlikely to result in anything other then a life of midnite booty calls or of T-Girl escorting and porn. If that's someone's idea of happiness and bliss then by all means have at it.

This might be what you have experienced, and can't be extrapolated to all t-girls.
If you failed to find a real relationship as a t-girl and your only way is to shop it off, that is your choice!
There are plenty of t-girls that are happy of where they are in transition.
Unfortunately, it is not Fantasia/TSFantasia way or no way!

PS. I haven't seen rider et al so far in this thread.

[xoxJanexox]

.Something that some seem to be overlooking here is what it is that the clients are hoping to find in their quest for T-Girls. We are not here looking for females or post-op t-girls!

It is my position, that for the vast majority of clients and as a client myself, that the F on an escorts drivers license or other identification papers mean absolutely nothing to us! It may make a transitioning girl feel better about what she is doing but that is not of importance to the males.

A client may very well wish the trans-girl he has his eye on look remarkably like a female but he knows full well that she had better not be and that difference is why we are all in this game and the reason for the existence of this very forum too!!!

Clients' desires are not important here. We are facing one of the USSR brain washing propaganda here!
Since TSFantasia is approaching the SRS term, now the moral of the story is that ggs trumps the most beautiful tgs!
One year from now, Fantasia (the closest to a gg based on vagina standards) will trump us all!
And tgirls in the middles of transition are nothing but booty calls and escorts!

[rider014]

Ok. An appearance is requested

As per your request Jane..... I'm intelligent enough to know when to stay the hell out of a good scrap and watch from the sidelines My opinion? I agree with Toban, it should be what the client wants

[TSFantasia]

Welcome to the real world of Fantasia or TSFanasia. So you can't define yourself but you are suited to define others! Again don't expect a defense justice Fantaisa/TSFantasia.

No females and TGs are not necessarily mutually exclusive. What is mutually exclusive is the double position, All the dating websites for example have three categories (male, female, transgender). People in those sites have a reasonable expectation that when you label yourself as a female that you are a genetic woman. If you go carefully to your initial post, you will see that this is actually the premises of your whole argument that ggs trumps tgs. So be creating a profile as a female, the intention was to see the masses response to a genetic woman as opposed to trans woman. This is called false advertisement and fake by all means.

Although I have a sympathy for a t-girl who underwent a SRS, the situation of creating a profile as in the above example is totally different.



Fair enough, you found it miserable, I found it a nice experience! Does being passable have something to do with it?
So, people have to listen to both sides of the story.



This might be what you have experienced, and can't be extrapolated to all t-girls.
If you failed to find a real relationship as a t-girl and your only way is to shop it off, that is your choice!
There are plenty of t-girls that are happy of where they are in transition.
Unfortunately, it is not Fantasia/TSFantasia way or no way!

PS. I haven't seen rider et al so far in this thread.

No all the dating sites do not have a TG category and yes I know how to identify myself as a trans woman. When I was at the place in my transition to get a legal name change I lived full time as a woman. That is how I identify myself. Coming to embrace that fully and having the confidence to have a female profile on a dating site is a part of transitioning.

I've had a great transition thus far and a dating social life because I took the time to honestly evaluate where I was at and how others viewed me. Creating a female profile was not to fake being a woman it was to embrace that I was one and to gain the confidence that others viewed me that way not just the "chasers" blowing smoke up my ass.

I have no obligation to reinforce societies archaic views of gender that the trans community has spent decades fighting to change. That gender is not defined by genitalia alone but by the person's emotional and mental state and their perception of themselves. But go ahead you are definitely the devils advocate on this one fighting to keep trans men and women in their "proper place" and in their sub standard categories of their chosen gender. What people reasonable expect to find in an individual who identifies as a female and as a woman? So what !! Years ago they reasonably expected all men to be attracted and have sex and marry women and vice versa...well surprise ..surprise.!

[xoxJanexox]

No all the dating sites do not have a TG category and yes I know how to identify myself as a trans woman. When I was at the place in my transition to get a legal name change I lived full time as a woman. That is how I identify myself. Coming to embrace that fully and having the confidence to have a female profile on a dating site is a part of transitioning.

Please name one that either show no TG or "others" option.
A TG who didn't undergo a SRS and advertise as a under the "female" category is basically a fool. Let alone making a false advertisement.

I've had a great transition thus far and a dating social life because I took the time to honestly evaluate where I was at and how others viewed me. Creating a female profile was not to fake being a woman it was to embrace that I was one and to gain the confidence that others viewed me that way not just the "chasers" blowing smoke up my ass.

Just a question: Do you say in the personal description that you still have male parts?
If you don't, this is a fake advertisement.
If you do, then you are making a fool of yourself.

I have no obligation to reinforce societies archaic views of gender that the trans community has spent decades fighting to change. That gender is not defined by genitalia alone but by the person's emotional and mental state and their perception of themselves. But go ahead you are definitely the devils advocate on this one fighting to keep trans men and women in their "proper place" and in their sub standard categories of their chosen gender. What people reasonable expect to find in an individual who identifies as a female and as a woman? So what !! Years ago they reasonably expected all men to be attracted and have sex and marry women and vice versa...well surprise ..surprise.!

And you are the angels' advocate? Just great!
You are actually ashamed of your transgender identity and want to slide under the female category in dating websites etc., when the latter is meant to accommodate genetic women in those sites.
When you come in this forum and say that ggs trumps most beautiful tgs, you are putting the whole tgs in substandard category, let alone that your assumption is nothing bit a fallacy!
The way I see it is this way, we are trans women and they are genetic women, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
There are very beautiful tgs and ggs, both internally and externally.

[TSFantasia]

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.Something that some seem to be overlooking here is what it is that the clients are hoping to find in their quest for T-Girls. We are not here looking for females or post-op t-girls!

It is my position, that for the vast majority of clients and as a client myself, that the F on an escorts drivers license or other identification papers mean absolutely nothing to us! It may make a transitioning girl feel better about what she is doing but that is not of importance to the males.

A client may very well wish the trans-girl he has his eye on look remarkably like a female but he knows full well that she had better not be and that difference is why we are all in this game and the reason for the existence of this very forum too!!!

Well Toban I get your point in relation to the whole client/t-girl escort scenario. And recognizing where I am currently at as pre-op I will stick to the T-girl ads and sites. When I am post-op well we will see if I'm escorting at all what I choose to do.

I guess in being on this board I'm not just representing myself as a T Girl escort but as a trans woman and who I am on that basis. NOT everyone who are members here are hobbyists. Many are just T-Girl admirers/lovers and are here to read as well as look at all the pretty pictures! It's ok for them to know that t-girls, trans women exist in the real world outside of escorting and porn and to have some insight into us a real people not just sexual fetishes.

I am representing my views and opinions from my perspective as I do on non-porn/escort boards too. Doesn't make them everyone's views in the overall "trans" community, which covers a pretty wide spectrum not just trans women. But I am represent my views and opinions as a trans woman. There are males here who view this forum who may dabble in cross dressing, sit on "tranny" sites and listen to what the men tell them. I'm just talking about reality checks to that fantasy world.

[xoxJanexox]

Well Toban I get your point in relation to the whole client/t-girl escort scenario. And recognizing where I am currently at as pre-op I will stick to the T-girl ads and sites. When I am post-op well we will see if I'm escorting at all what I choose to do.

Wow, so you are telling us that you are not a female now (since you can't advertise under female escorts section) and just a crossdresser or what is called a "dude" in a dress! (TS Fantasia post #5)

So for making a living, you are a t-girl (shemale) but for dating websites you are a female?! Just perfect!