T-Girls Do Your "Litmus" Tests!

[TSFantasia]

Please name one that either show no TG or "others" option.
A TG who didn't undergo a SRS and advertise as a under the "female" category is basically a fool. Let alone making a false advertisement.
Just a question: Do you say in the personal description that you still have male parts?
If you don't, this is a fake advertisement.
If you do, then you are making a fool of yourself.

Your language is that of a transphobic person who refuses to see trans men and women as their chosen gender without the associated "parts" in other words you have a dick your a dude you have a vagina your a chick. Everything you say is exactly how people who know nothing about trans men or women talk. You keep reducing gender to genitalia.
Plentyoffish, Match.com, Eharmony, Zoosk, Cupid, Fling, Marry Me Sugar Daddy, SocialSex, to name a few. So if one goes on those should a trans woman place a male profile? Don't worry that's a rhetorical question of course your transphobic male answer will be "Yes, because you have a penis."

And you are the angels' advocate? Just great!You are actually ashamed of your transgender identity and want to slide under the female category in dating websites etc., when the latter is meant to accommodate genetic women in those sites.
When you come in this forum and say that ggs trumps most beautiful tgs, you are putting the whole tgs in substandard category, let alone that your assumption is nothing bit a fallacy!
The way I see it is this way, we are trans women and they are genetic women, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
There are very beautiful tgs and ggs, both internally and externally.

No they are meant to accommodate females and women and there you go again with your transphobic language making the two mutually exclusive.
And yes while many pre-o trans women can be comparable in beauty and sex appeal to some of the most beautiful genetic women. In terms of actual interest in them beyond the sexual fetish interest they are WAY behind Genetic women as far as the general population is concerned. Not saying there is no interest for actual dating and relationships but it is FAR ,FAR, FAR behind genetic women with the same level of attractiveness and sex appeal.

[Tia Phoenixx]

chill.

90% men love women, and women come in different shape, size and color.

I've just finished working, today is so busy beyond believe, and I couldn't believe that men still come to see me instead of seeing those gorgeous girls in Philadelphia: Carmen Cruz, Jemma, or Jennifer Paris.

Confidence is part of the ingredients of sex appeal. I like the way Jane's opinion, showing her confidence, however, i can also understand Fantasia. Nothing to be blamed or wrong, it just depends on how we see it.

If we really look at the quantity of men who want to fuck us, then i agree with Fantasia, men will more likely to fuck a woman with a pussy then us.

However, if we look at the quality of men, then i may agree with Jane's statement. We might have less men come to see us, but though it is less in number, but those who see us might be better looking than those who see GG (at least we hope so!)

As a traveling girl who has seen the world, here what i'm going to do once i'm becoming a post op:

1. Making a video, me getting fucked by a man. Kimber James is a great example of this. She is actually still popular as a post op, though she is NOT longer popular in tgirl community, but there are still lots of men love her.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bustykimberxxx.com

I have some more examples, my friends in Jakarta and Malaysia, but you don't know them. Let me tell you, they are still successful as post op working in the sex industry. I'm proud of them.
Do they lie? Unfortunately they do. But those men are "naive" so it works well for them lol

2. Going to the country that men love to fuck me: Italy, Turkey, Tunisia, Greece, Spain, Cyprus..and USA. USA is included because for American men, i'm no longer an escort. I'm a personality, a courtesan. They like me as I am, no matter, whether I have a dick or pussy, it's still me.

see?
It's more challenging to be a post op escort, but still possible.

Nevertheless, I also agree with Toban's. Forums like this is for tgirls, pre-op tgirls to be more precise. Dick is part of the criteria.
I'm fine with that. I'm no in hurry. I will still keep my dick for the time being and make more $$$ lol

good night and no need to fight, let;s fuck instead

cheers

Tia

[xoxJanexox]

Your language is that of a transphobic person who refuses to see trans men and women as their chosen gender without the associated "parts" in other words you have a dick your a dude you have a vagina your a chick. Everything you say is exactly how people who know nothing about trans men or women talk. You keep reducing gender to genitalia.
Plentyoffish, Match.com, Eharmony, Zoosk, Cupid, Fling, Marry Me Sugar Daddy, SocialSex, to name a few. So if one goes on those should a trans woman place a male profile? Don't worry that's a rhetorical question of course your transphobic male answer will be yes, because you have a penis.

You started this thread and the moral of your story was based on a "cyber" finding where you have compared the flow of members to your profile both as gg and tg. Specifically the site was AFF which has a tg category. And you apparently drew your conclusion based on the difference on the numbers.

Therefore, it is in this circumstance that creating a profile as a female is a fake advertisement! Because the reasonable expectation is to have a special category for trans women.

So if one goes on those should a trans woman place a male profile? Don't worry that's a rhetorical question of course your transphobic male answer will be yes, because you have a penis.

No, in those sites, of course when the options are either a female vs male then a trans woman is more to blind with the female option and the trans-man with the male option. But do those websites really want trans people there?

But, in those sites, the t-girl must declare her status especially if she hasn't undergone SRS.

No they are meant to accommodate females and women and there you go again with your transphobic language making the two mutually exclusive.
And yes while many pre-o trans women can be comparable in beauty and sex appeal to some of the most beautiful genetic women. In terms of actual interest in them beyond the sexual fetish interest they are WAY behind Genetic women as far as the general population is concerned. Not saying there is no interest for actual dating and relationships but it is FAR ,FAR, FAR behind genetic women with the same level of attractiveness and sex appeal.

So now they are comparable and ggs don't trump tgs?! Are you giving up?
And is your inference about the interest in the relationship is the result of your observation in the "casual sexual encounter website" (AFF)?

Last, I hope that I don't end up as a Nazi in this thread. It seems that everybody who challenge your argument is given a name, the last was labeling a trans as a trans-phobic. You are smart, aren't you?

Please continue, it is always great to let the audience enjoy your logic!

P.S. Relying on the bold letters wont strengthen your statement.

[TSFantasia]

chill.

90% men love women, and women come in different shape, size and color.

I've just finished working, today is so busy beyond believe, and I couldn't believe that men still come to see me instead of seeing those gorgeous girls in Philadelphia: Carmen Cruz, Jemma, or Jennifer Paris.

Confidence is part of the ingredients of sex appeal. I like the way Jane's opinion, showing her confidence, however, i can also understand Fantasia. Nothing to be blamed or wrong, it just depends on how we see it.

If we really look at the quantity of men who want to fuck us, then i agree with Fantasia, men will more likely to fuck a woman with a pussy then us.

However, if we look at the quality of men, then i may agree with Jane's statement. We might have less men come to see us, but though it is less in number, but those who see us might be better looking than those who see GG (at least we hope so!)

As a traveling girl who has seen the world, here what i'm going to do once i'm becoming a post op:

1. Making a video, me getting fucked by a man. Kimber James is a great example of this. She is actually still popular as a post op, though she is NOT longer popular in tgirl community, but there are still lots of men love her.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bustykimberxxx.com

I have some more examples, my friends in Jakarta and Malaysia, but you don't know them. Let me tell you, they are still successful as post op working in the sex industry. I'm proud of them.
Do they lie? Unfortunately they do. But those men are "naive" so it works well for them lol

2. Going to the country that men love to fuck me: Italy, Turkey, Tunisia, Greece, Spain, Cyprus..and USA. USA is included because for American men, i'm no longer an escort. I'm a personality, a courtesan. They like me as I am, no matter, whether I have a dick or pussy, it's still me.

see?
It's more challenging to be a post op escort, but still possible.

Nevertheless, I also agree with Toban's. Forums like this is for tgirls, pre-op tgirls to be more precise. Dick is part of the criteria.
I'm fine with that. I'm no in hurry. I will still keep my dick for the time being and make more $$$ lol

good night and no need to fight, let;s fuck instead

cheers

Tia

The quantity of men that prefer women with pussies is greater. The quality men who come to see us "to fuck us" are the men who are having sex with women with pussies 95% of the time. The men who reduce the most beautiful pre-op T-girls, who are comparable to Victoria Secret models, to a feminized gay male with a cock to cram down their throats and jam in their asses? These guys are on all the NSA sites looking for males to do the same thing with in between.
Interest in T-girls is 90% sexual fetish fantasy and nothing beyond that. Good for T-Girl escorts and porn stars bad for every other aspect of life and for those who do not choose that course.
Unless your post-op friends are being specifically asked if they were born as biological females then they are not lying to say they are women or females.

And I call it debating not fighting. Sweet dreams

[TSFantasia]

I knew that some exist but I just wanted to catch you with your own words!

You started this thread and the moral of your story was based on a "cyber" finding where you have compared the flow of members to your profile both as gg and tg. Specifically the site was AFF which has a tg category. And you apparently drew your conclusion based on the difference on the numbers.

Therefore, it is in this circumstance that creating a profile as a female is a fake advertisement! Because the reasonable expectation is to have a special category for trans women.


No, in those sites, of course when the options are either a female vs male then a trans woman is more to blind with the female option and the trans-man with the male option.

But, in those sites, the t-girl must declare her status especially if she hasn't undergone SRS.

So now they are comparable and ggs don't trump tgs?! Are you giving up?
And is your inference about the interest in the relationship is the result of your observation in the "casual sexual encounter website" (AFF)?

Last, I hope that I don't end up as a Nazi in this thread. It seems that everybody who challenge your argument is given a name, the last was labeling a trans as a trans-phobic. You are smart, aren't you?

Please continue, it is always great to let the audience enjoy your logic!

P.S. Relying on the bold letters wont strengthen your statement.

As always continuing to ask questions that have already been asked and answered but never answering questions yourself!
Please identify your self JANE! What are you how do you identify yourself under the "trans" umbrella? Are you a part time cross dresser? Are you living full time as a woman? Do you have a legal name or gender change? Are you under a therapists care for gender dysphoria, under an endocrinologist care for HRT? What are your transition goals?

[xoxJanexox]

As always continuing to ask questions that have already been asked and answered but never answering questions yourself!
Please identify your self JANE! What are you how do you identify yourself under the "trans" umbrella? Are you a part time cross dresser? Are you living full time as a woman? Do you have a legal name or gender change? Are you under a therapists care for gender dysphoria, under an endocrinologist care for HRT, what are your transition goals?

Look under my signature and you will find two things:

1- A picture in the day light in the middle of the busiest street in Ottawa and not behind a webcam, or masking my eyes.

2- A website which shares all the information that I am happy to share with the public.

Beyond this focus on the subject of this thread or declare it a loss!

[TSFantasia]

Look under my signature and you will find two things:

1- A picture in the day light in the middle of the busiest street in Ottawa and not behind a webcam, or masking my eyes.

2- A website which shares all the information that I am happy to share with the public.

Beyond this focus on the subject of this thread or declare it a loss!

Doesn't tell me a thing doesn't reveal your day to day identity if you normally dress as a male this is just your alter escort image
which is the same as me hiding my identity for all that sunglasses can accomplish.

I have a real life separate from my escorting. My everyday pics are on my FB.

So answer the questions "As always continuing to ask questions that have already been asked and answered but never answering questions yourself!
Please identify your self JANE! What are you how do you identify yourself under the "trans" umbrella? Are you a part time cross dresser? Are you living full time as a woman? Do you have a legal name or gender change? Are you under a therapists care for gender dysphoria, under an endocrinologist care for HRT? What are your transition goals?"

[SteveMcG]

Jane, you really seem to hijack Fantasias threads with petty point scoring at every available opportunity. You need to give it a rest. It is coming across (to me at least) as personal and petty.

I found the original post by Fantasia mildly interesting, you "fundamentally disagreed" with it despite the conclusions being pretty predictable in nature. That's a touch ott.

[xoxJanexox]

Doesn't tell me a thing doesn't reveal your day to day identity if you normally dress as a male this is just your alter escort image
which is the same as me hiding my identity for all that sunglasses can accomplish.

I have a real life separate from my escorting. My everyday pics are on my FB.

So answer the questions "As always continuing to ask questions that have already been asked and answered but never answering questions yourself!
Please identify your self JANE! What are you how do you identify yourself under the "trans" umbrella? Are you a part time cross dresser? Are you living full time as a woman? Do you have a legal name or gender change? Are you under a therapists care for gender dysphoria, under an endocrinologist care for HRT? What are your transition goals?"

Then you did not see or read well.

Again, beyond my answer, either you focus on the subject of this thread which you have created or declare it a loss.

If you have another inquiry the only option is to create a specific thread devoted for that reason. Please note that I am not saying it is "right" option but the only one.

PS. just a correction the term gender "dysphoria" is becoming moot Ms. Trans-philic.

[xoxJanexox]

Jane, you really seem to hijack Fantasias threads with petty point scoring at every available opportunity. You need to give it a rest. It is coming across (to me at least) as personal and petty.

I found the original post by Fantasia mildly interesting, you "fundamentally disagreed" with it despite the conclusions being pretty predictable in nature. That's a touch ott.

Your opinion is yours. Thanks for mentioning it.
But we are in a forum and allowed to debate ideas.

If she felt the thread was hijacked then she could have reported to the administrator,
She chose to continue, so apparently this is not the case!

She even mentioned it was a debate a few posts ago!

As for loosing scoring in your point system,
Great for me!

[TSFantasia]

Classic Transphobic, Trans-ignorance

Your opinion is yours. Thanks for mentioning it.
But we are in a forum and allowed to debate ideas.

If she felt the thread was hijacked then she could have reported to the administrator,
She chose to continue, so apparently this is not the case!

She even mentioned it was a debate a few posts ago!

As for loosing scoring in your point system,
Great for me!

You are truly arrogant and deluded Jane to think you are scoring points by asking and re-asking the same questions that have been
asked an answered. The fact that you cannot understand or accept the answers is that all your questions and premises reek of classic
transphobic, trans-ignorant prejudice that the trans community has fought for decades to overcome and change.
ALL your questions and assertions are that any trans woman who dares to declare herself a "female or woman" is a "fake, deceptive, a fool". She is "falsely advertising and misrepresenting" herself to others. And why is this? Because she does not have the correct "parts" because she has a penis. Because your classic remarks are premises on genitalia equals gender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia

This is the same transphobic ignorance and prejudice that fuels violence against trans men and women around the world .From the Teena Brandon (Boys Don't Cry)having his pants pulled down by his own "friends" in front of his girlfriend to make her look at his genitals and admit that she was dating a "woman". Teena was then taken and beaten and raped and later murdered due to this transphobic rage. Thousands of murders later the justification of their killers is always the same rage over the individual living as a man or woman when their genitals are not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena

With statements, questions, and implications with such classic transphobic ignorance and prejudice I cannot but question who you really are? And how is it that someone who claims to be transgender is fighting to make such statements that have oppressed and led to violence and murder of thousands of their "trans" brothers and sisters?

[Tia Phoenixx]

The quantity of men that prefer women with pussies is greater. The quality men who come to see us "to fuck us" are the men who are having sex with women with pussies 95% of the time. The men who reduce the most beautiful pre-op T-girls, who are comparable to Victoria Secret models, to a feminized gay male with a cock to cram down their throats and jam in their asses? These guys are on all the NSA sites looking for males to do the same thing with in between.
Interest in T-girls is 90% sexual fetish fantasy and nothing beyond that. Good for T-Girl escorts and porn stars bad for every other aspect of life and for those who do not choose that course.
Unless your post-op friends are being specifically asked if they were born as biological females then they are not lying to say they are women or females.

And I call it debating not fighting. Sweet dreams

Morning Fantasia!
I agree with your statement, and for one of the reasons you have mentioned: Interest in T-girls is 90% sexual fetish fantasy and nothing beyond that. Good for T-Girl escorts and porn stars bad for every other aspect of life and for those who do not choose that course, i have decided to become a post op in few years.

Being a tgirl sucks in real life, though money wise is great for some of us who work in sex related industry. But again, even this career as an escort and porn star will not last forever. And as we all know, not all of us can make it in this industry and it's hard(er) for us to work or to be accepted fully in other jobs, thus minimizing our chance to be successful in real life. Suck! My other reason to become a post op, among other things.

As I mentioned previously, we are of course a woman, but a different kind of woman. If i become a post op someday, I won't tell men who fuck me for fun, but i will tell some significant others (friends and boyfriend), that I was born with male genitalia.
And if I still work as a post op escort, I will post in both sections: female and TG.

Problem solved

Now, i have to take my shower and get ready for my 1st client.

Happy New Year!!!!!

[Tia Phoenixx]

You are truly arrogant and deluded Jane to think you are scoring points by asking and re-asking the same questions that have been
asked an answered. The fact that you cannot understand or accept the answers is that all your questions and premises reek of classic
transphobic, trans-ignorant prejudice that the trans community has fought for decades to overcome and change.
ALL your questions and assertions are that any trans woman who dares to declare herself a "female or woman" is a "fake, deceptive, a fool". She is "falsely advertising and misrepresenting" herself to others. And why is this? Because she does not have the correct "parts" because she has a penis. Because your classic remarks are premises on genitalia equals gender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia

This is the same transphobic ignorance and prejudice that fuels violence against trans men and women around the world .From the Teena Brandon (Boys Don't Cry)having his pants pulled down by his own "friends" in front of his girlfriend to make her look at his genitals and admit that she was dating a "woman". Teena was then taken and beaten and raped and later murdered due to this transphobic rage. Thousands of murders later the justification of their killers is always the same rage over the individual living as a man or woman when their genitals are not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena

With statements, questions, and implications with such classic transphobic ignorance and prejudice I cannot but question who you really are? And how is it that someone who claims to be transgender is fighting to make such statements that have oppressed and led to violence and murder of thousands of their "trans" brothers and sisters?

We know who Jane is, but it's ok by me. I'm open minded, i embrace everybody. Who give a fuck with label anyway

I like your statement by stating this is not a fight, but merely debating. Cool girl

Now, let's see whether or not Jane will answer honestly your question.

If she does, then i will give two thumbs up for her.

[TSFantasia]

Welcome to the Sex Slave Market!

To those who say be quiet this is a T-Girl escort/client board only for those who buy and sell.

Yes this may be a sex slave market but there are only a few slaves up on the auction block and can be made to do or say anything
for a price. And only a few that are sex slave owners and traders that quickly object to any T-Girl sex slave speaking about being
a real person with real thoughts and feelings of their own. She should be beaten and flogged because this is not what the buyers (clients) want ! But in reality you are just a handful of the people here! Take a look at the bottom of the main forum page to the online members count versus the number actually viewing. Usually 300ish members logged on with 5000ish viewing.

So you few owner/traders want to be the only voices heard by the 1000s of onlookers the trans-attracted men the T-Girl admirers and lovers. "Nothing wrong here folks just a bunch of feminized dudes and willing sex slaves being bought and sold for our pleasure!"
What's that one of the slaves is talking to the onlookers about being a "person", having rights , thoughts ad feelings? Talking of freedom and life outside of being a sex slave? Don't worry just some poor deluded soul that will be beaten into submission and silence.

Dramatic illustration, yes and no. Yes girls willing enter this sex slave market and market themselves to willing buyers. But if they can then not escape this life because of having no other training or skills, because they can not be viewed as "real" women but only as "pretend, fake" ones that cannot be taken seriously considered as anything other than a sexual fetish then they are slaves, who cannot escape the market!

So I'm here representing and continually reminding the 1000s of onlookers that trans women are much more than escorts, porn objects, and sex fetishes. If that offends the owners/traders/buyers so be it as you are only a few here anyways.

[xoxJanexox]

You are truly arrogant and deluded Jane to think you are scoring points by asking and re-asking the same questions that have been
asked an answered. The fact that you cannot understand or accept the answers is that all your questions and premises reek of classic
transphobic, trans-ignorant prejudice that the trans community has fought for decades to overcome and change.
ALL your questions and assertions are that any trans woman who dares to declare herself a "female or woman" is a "fake, deceptive, a fool". She is "falsely advertising and misrepresenting" herself to others. And why is this? Because she does not have the correct "parts" because she has a penis. Because your classic remarks are premises on genitalia equals gender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia

You put words on my mouth, this doesn't meant that I have said them!
Repeating a lie wont bring a truth out of it!
A trans who is a transpobe?! Are you sure that you are in same scale of evolution as mankind?!
BTW, thanks for the compliments, when are you going to declare me a Nazi or Anti-Semite?

And the girl that say a gg trumps the most beautiful t-girls is the advocate of transgenders community?!
A trans woman is a woman and no less of a woman, but if she truly believes in this, she should be proud of it and not stay in the "stealth" mode.

This is the same transphobic ignorance and prejudice that fuels violence against trans men and women around the world .From the Teena Brandon (Boys Don't Cry)having his pants pulled down by his own "friends" in front of his girlfriend to make her look at his genitals and admit that she was dating a "woman". Teena was then taken and beaten and raped and later murdered due to this transphobic rage. Thousands of murders later the justification of their killers is always the same rage over the individual living as a man or woman when their genitals are not.

tttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena

Now, I am responsible for the t-girls genocide?! Great, please continue!

With statements, questions, and implications with such classic transphobic ignorance and prejudice I cannot but question who you really are? And how is it that someone who claims to be transgender is fighting to make such statements that have oppressed and led to violence and murder of thousands of their "trans" brothers and sisters?

I am proud of being a transgender, plain and simple!
I don't need to hide it or cover it up!
I have the courage to face society with all its prejudices!
If I were to choose between male, female and transgender, I would choose a transgender!
I am proud of my past, current and future!
If someone don't share your views, they are against your views!
The honorable TSFantasia views are not the sole representative of the transgender community!
You have zero right of questioning who I am, you have absolutely zero authority to do so!
Your only authority here is equivalent of mine, to debate logic with logic, ideas with ideas! And not logic with names or labels!
To do so you are bankrupt!