Welcome to the Sex Slave Market!

[xoxJanexox]

And yes my personal opinion and view is that guys ,who ONLY want that even with the most beautiful T-Girl SPs are closet gays in denial and they feel if they have someone who looks like a women that their "straight, hetero, macho" image remains intact. I am also of the opinion that these same guys are on a constant search for other "bi" men on CL and other hookup sites for cocks to choke on and cram in their ass in between their T-Girl paid encounters. And I don't really care that closet gay men like T-Girls. Good for them and good for the girls, who get their money. I prefer my approach of doing what I enjoy doing with guys who enjoy it also and make money doing it.

But your opinion where it belongs to (the other thread) and I will shatter your whole theory and prove that your are inconsistent with yourself on every level.

[TSFantasia]

And Toban is it really that hard to understand that if a 20 something GG or T-Girl has clients that are 60+, 70+yrs of age or 100+lbs overweight that in their real life that they would never date these men, and that is why the men have to pay.
So is it that hard to believe that what a T-Girl can do, with the help of the little pills and poppers ,that she may have no interest in doing in her personal life with her BF? Of course the obvious answer is you can't and you won't! Because that would mean they exist outside of escorting and porn. And in keeping with the "analogy" and "dramatic illustration" of this thread that would be to let them "escape from the market" !

[Tia Phoenixx]

Locomotion, I was not suggesting at all that the presence of girls on the forum was essentially unwelcome, because I fully agree with your statement that we have many awesome girls here and I will even add that over the years we've had many exemplary girls join us here. Absolutely!

I do need to explain though that my bottom line in this recent post was that I feel that several recent threads in which providers needs seemed to be paramount in both posts and discussions. Such threads might have been better placed in a section designated strictly for such. This kind of material, unrelated directly to “escorts” need not clutter up the general forum which was, and should still be, about guys concerns and discussions around the escorts they favour. After all this was/is? an Escort Review board not a Provider Review board

What I was really getting at was that within the many recent threads and related posts there was discussion and numerous posts related basically to providers suggesting that we fanciers of t-girls and their cocks should be more mindful of the provider’s needs rather than just fulfilling our own desires of receiving.

This is something I can not agree with! A provider is generally hired to simply perform a specific task! The provision of any service for the purchaser, whether it be shovelling snow or fucking his ass, is the only concern – whether a provider receives pleasure during performance of this service is of no significance to the purchaser. Any enjoyment occuring in any form of employment can not be looked upon as the responsibility or duty of the purchaser or as a right of the provider but just an unexpected bonus!

What I also found kind of strange in these recent threads was the disparaging way in which this provider considers the many guys who would ordinarily be receivers and those who would service them as well, (together they’re probably the most significant group by number within this forum). Oddly, she states that she considers them pretty much “gay” but then, she says that professionally she tops but in her personal life she is searching for and prefers to be with tops herself.

Is there not some inconsistency here - she looks down with disdain upon the many who prefer to receive but she can do so herself without question.

P.S. Just letting off steam - I am not so na?ve as to expect Crag to take any action!

Fantasia is simply being honest Toban.

If you read my blog, i have also stated that my life as an escort and my life as a person is completely different.

As an escort, tgirl escort to be more precise, men do come to see me mostly because i have a dick and it's still very functional, though some truly come to see me because i'm nice as a person and some men think i'm unique and beautiful. However, I would say 60 to 70% men come to see me because i still have my male genitalia. I'm fully aware with that, and cool about that.

As a person. I live my life as me, a tomboy I would say, but people see me as a woman and treat me as such. When men approach me in real life setting without knowing my "condition", they approach me as a cis woman, and if they want to date or have sex with me, they expect and imagine me to have a female genitalia, which i have not had yet, thus making my life somewhat not 100% fulfilled.

I follow the logic of Fantasia's point of view. She is being honest, and we have to respect that.

There is a huge discrepancy between life as a pre-op tgirl escort and life as person/woman in real life, for us tgirls, in transitioning to become a woman in the future.

[xoxJanexox]

And yes my personal opinion and view is that guys ,who ONLY want that even with the most beautiful T-Girl SPs are closet gays in denial and they feel if they have someone who looks like a women that their "straight, hetero, macho" image remains intact. I am also of the opinion that these same guys are on a constant search for other "bi" men on CL and other hookup sites for cocks to choke on and cram in their ass in between their T-Girl paid encounters. And I don't really care that closet gay men like T-Girls. Good for them and good for the girls, who get their money. I prefer my approach of doing what I enjoy doing with guys who enjoy it also and make money doing it.

Your personal views are your personal views. But once they are put in public people have the full right to disagree with them and expose the flaws they carry, if any.

The assumption you are making that men who want to bottom for t-girls are closet gays is false and shows a huge inconsistency:

1- First, you are making an assumption about individuals from their encounters with sex workers while completely ignoring that these people have a life that is completely different from hobbying. So you are basically asking people not to look at t-girls from the porn/escorting perspectives, yet you are making a bald assumption based on a whole category of individuals based on their porn/escorts choices!

This lifestyle is premised on fantasy (imagination). Men come to see sex workers to escape their day to day life. Sex workers are in this business to make a living. When a gentleman goes to see a gg and ask for schoolgirl scenario, it doesn't mean that he will do that same thing in his real life.

It is fair to say that t-girls should be judged by this lifestyle and it should be also fair not to judge people on their choices in this lifestyle as well.

2- You are mixing sexual orientation with sex actions. In other words, you are mixing the "actors" with the "actions". Sexual orientation is more of how the person perceives the other mentally and select them for that purpose (i.e. the actor). The majority of the men you referred to as closet gays are only attracted to the feminine attributes. In other words, to how passable the t-girl is. This is a key to most of them and something which is a matter of personal taste. A gay man is typically interested only in other men in their shape and form. A bisexual man is interested in both the feminine and masculine attributes.

The sex "actions" on the other hand have zero projection to the sexual orientation. Most men who finally came to t-girls, have for sometime experienced anal pleasure with gg (prostate message, pegging etc). Seeing a t-girl for them is the ultimate dream, a girl with a natural tool and not a rubber one.

Are we saying the a guy who go for a prostate massage is a closet gay?
Are we saying that a guy who see a gg escort for a pegging session is a closet gay?

The anal area is a very sensitive area to both genders. Performing a sexual action, by itself, which is pleasurable should not define the person's sexual orientation.

3- Your opinion is against nature. It is a well known fact that gays in any community are a minority group. To classify all men who are attracted to being topped by a t-girl as closet gays is simply saying that the majority of society are gays. Of course there is absolutely nothing with being gay, but we are speaking here about the implications of your opinion.

[TSFantasia]

Your personal views are your personal views. But once they are put in public people have the full right to disagree with them and expose the flaws they carry, if any.

The assumption you are making that men who want to bottom for t-girls are closet gays is false and shows a huge inconsistency:

1- First, you are making an assumption about individuals from their encounters with sex workers while completely ignoring that these people have a life that is completely different from hobbying. So you are basically asking people not to look at t-girls from the porn/escorting perspectives, yet you are making a bald assumption based on a whole category of individuals based on their porn/escorts choices!

This lifestyle is premised on fantasy (imagination). Men come to see sex workers to escape their day to day life. Sex workers are in this business to make a living. When a gentleman goes to see a gg and ask for schoolgirl scenario, it doesn't mean that he will do that same thing in his real life.

It is fair to say that t-girls should be judged by this lifestyle and it should be also fair not to judge people on their choices in this lifestyle as well.

2- You are mixing sexual orientation with sex actions. In other words, you are mixing the "actors" with the "actions". Sexual orientation is more of how the person perceives the other mentally and select them for that purpose (i.e. the actor). The majority of the men you referred to as closet gays are only attracted to the feminine attributes. In other words, to how passable the t-girl is. This is a key to most of them and something which is a matter of personal taste. A gay man is typically interested only in other men in their shape and form. A bisexual man is interested in both the feminine and masculine attributes.

The sex "actions" on the other hand have zero projection to the sexual orientation. Most men who finally came to t-girls, have for sometime experienced anal pleasure with gg (prostate message, pegging etc). Seeing a t-girl for them is the ultimate dream, a girl with a natural tool and not a rubber one.

Are we saying the a guy who go for a prostate massage is a closet gay?
Are we saying that a guy who see a gg escort for a pegging session is a closet gay?

The anal area is a very sensitive area to both genders. Performing a sexual action, by itself, which is pleasurable should not define the person's sexual orientation.

3- Your opinion is against nature. It is a well known fact that gays in any community are a minority group. To classify all men who are attracted to being topped by a t-girl as closet gays is simply saying that the majority of society are gays. Of course there is absolutely nothing with being gay, but we are speaking here about the implications of your opinion.

Cross dressers and drag queens have always been a big part of the gay male culture. I go to see drag shows at my local LGBT club all the time. To watch not to perform. All the drag queens have a gay male or lesbian lifestyle. Most gay males like guys to be smooth and hairless. I have no doubt that many t-girls began in this arena and then moved on to the next level.

Yes anal stimulation is pleasurable during sex for men and women (GG or TG). If a guy can enjoy that during the course of his sexual arousal over being with a woman that's great. When a guy can not be aroused over anything other than being in the female position and role during sex is the basis of my views and opinions.

Neither calling a person straight hetero, bisexual, or gay is an insult it is just an observation based on their actions and sexual preferences and activities. When a person has a strong preference for a certain type of sexual activity it is pretty unlikely that they are holding these in to their few yearly visits to a T-Girl. Most of the guys I have talked to on hook up sites that say they are bi-curious or bi have said that they have had sexual encounters with other men and being with a T-Girl is just a different twist and fantasy along these same lines. People who are hiding or are ashamed of their sexual orientation find this insulting to have someone point out the obvious. Once a person comes out of the closet they can be proud of who they are. Many choose to stay in hiding all their life but you can be with a GG but if you have to run male on male fantasies through your head to remain aroused or to achieve orgasm during sex with them may be a good indicator as to your orientation.

And getting back to the original "analogy" and "dramatic illustration" of a sex market. No matter how lucrative an escort or porn stars career is, if she cannot "escape" that lifestyle because of no real life skills or training then she is a slave to continue. If men do not view her as a real person as a real woman (GG or TG) then she is a slave to remain in the fantasy role for them.

[bb420]

And yes my personal opinion and view is that guys ,who ONLY want that even with the most beautiful T-Girl SPs are closet gays in denial and they feel if they have someone who looks like a women that their "straight, hetero, macho" image remains intact. I am also of the opinion that these same guys are on a constant search for other "bi" men on CL and other hookup sites for cocks to choke on and cram in their ass in between their T-Girl paid encounters. And I don't really care that closet gay men like T-Girls. Good for them and good for the girls, who get their money. I prefer my approach of doing what I enjoy doing with guys who enjoy it also and make money doing it.

Why are some TGs so eager to label certain men as being "gay" or not?
Plus it's usually in a derogatory manner too.

[TSFantasia]

Why are some TGs so eager to label certain men as being "gay" or not?
Plus it's usually in a derogatory manner too.

Just a repeat of what I just said to Jane. People only take it as an insult when they are trying too hard to deny the obvious.
Neither calling a person straight hetero, bisexual, or gay is an insult it is just an observation based on their actions and sexual preferences and activities.

[Guest]

On a lighter note.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ8Vrvy0VeE

[Gypsy1955]

Stay on

I see nothing wrong with your thread or expressing your opinion. I do not see anything derogatory, offensive, self promoting, influencing or promoting hatred against any individual or group. It is a CHAT thread and we can participate or not.

Your thread made me think about the whole scene and I can agree, disagree, comment, not comment...whatever. Firstly it made me think and somewhat see the other side of the fence. Not only my side as a client going in with a pocket full of cash and everything is happy and hunkydorey.

As the initiator of this thread it opens the door for whoever wants to spend the energy and attack your article and sometimes you personally. I always say that it's so much easier to just sit back and wait, wait for someone to do something you may find unfavourable then just go offensive and attack rather than just express your own opinion. Sometimes called backbenchers I believe. Anyways, take a break if you need otherwise hang around. Who else is gonna start these threads?

[Tia Phoenixx]

I see nothing wrong with your thread or expressing your opinion. I do not see anything derogatory, offensive, self promoting, influencing or promoting hatred against any individual or group. It is a CHAT thread and we can participate or not.

Your thread made me think about the whole scene and I can agree, disagree, comment, not comment...whatever. Firstly it made me think and somewhat see the other side of the fence. Not only my side as a client going in with a pocket full of cash and everything is happy and hunkydorey.

As the initiator of this thread it opens the door for whoever wants to spend the energy and attack your article and sometimes you personally. I always say that it's so much easier to just sit back and wait, wait for someone to do something you may find unfavourable then just go offensive and attack rather than just express your own opinion. Sometimes called backbenchers I believe. Anyways, take a break if you need otherwise hang around. Who else is gonna start these threads?

I agree. It's merely one person's opinion. She just expresses herself genuinely and we have to appreciate it.

Fantasia is smart, and she may realize by labeling a prospective client, gay, she may lose some of them, but she did that anyway. And i'm proud of her simply by her being honest.

I'm not saying I agree with her, but i certainly can follow her logic



p.s: It will be storm in NYC soon, I will be here with Jane entertaining you guys if you have any questions lol

[xoxJanexox]

p.s: It will be storm in NYC soon, I will be here with Jane entertaining you guys if you have any questions lol

You have a sense of humor, then untilize your name and don't get my
name. You have no authority to do so!

You want to debate any of my opinions then quote my text.

To the administrator: I understand that this blog is supposed to be locked but I had to step in to protect my name from any abuse.

[bb420]

Hey there's nothing wrong with being gay.

I'm just curious as to why some think it's necessary to label certain men as being "gay" and "in denial".
It may not be intended as a insult, but it doesn't seem to be conveyed in a positive tone either.
Seems like a broad generalization and not much different from stereotyping someone for race.

So I'm asking the "experts" here, what exactly makes someone more gay or less gay than another?
And why do they even care?

[Tia Phoenixx]

You have a sense of humor, then untilize your name and don't get my
name. You have no authority to do so!

You want to debate any of my opinions then quote my text.

To the administrator: I understand that this blog is supposed to be locked but I had to step in to protect my name from any abuse.

lol, somebody is angry. Now, I feel like a bad, slutty girl